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posted by martyb on Friday January 15 2021, @06:31AM   Printer-friendly

The European Medicines Agency (EMA) today revealed that some of the Pfizer/BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine data stolen from its servers in December was leaked online.

EMA is a decentralized agency responsible for reviewing and approving COVID-19 vaccines, as well as for evaluating, monitoring, and supervising any new medicines introduced to the EU.

"The ongoing investigation of the cyberattack on EMA revealed that some of the unlawfully accessed documents related to COVID-19 medicines and vaccines belonging to third parties have been leaked on the internet," EMA said today. "Necessary action is being taken by the law enforcement authorities."

"The Agency continues to fully support the criminal investigation into the data breach and to notify any additional entities and individuals whose documents and personal data may have been subject to unauthorized access."

EMA also said that European medicines regulatory network is fully functional and COVID-19 evaluation and approval timelines are not affected by the incident.

On December 31st, BleepingComputer became aware of threat actors leaking what they claimed was the stolen EMA data on several hacker forums. Below is a screenshot of one of the leaks seen by BleepingComputer at the time.

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/hackers-leak-stolen-pfizer-covid-19-vaccine-data-online/

The hacked files show that the clinical vaccines had 78% RNA integrity which dropped to only 55% in the commercial batches:
https://m.imgur.com/tQrnUWM


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  • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 15 2021, @07:01AM (7 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 15 2021, @07:01AM (#1100436)

    The censored image from TFA is a screenshot of https://raidforums.com/Thread-Astonishing-fraud-Evil-Pfffizer-Fake-vaccines?pid=3258568 [raidforums.com]

    That page has been taken down, but the google cache [googleusercontent.com] is still active.

    Unfortunately, both of those links have been taken down. I tried accessing the onion site with archive.is, last archived one day ago, and it looks like a Russian error message:

    Упс! Мы столкнулись с некоторыми проблемами.
    Запрашиваемая страница не найдена.

    • (Score: 0) by Ethanol-fueled on Friday January 15 2021, @07:06AM (1 child)

      by Ethanol-fueled (2792) on Friday January 15 2021, @07:06AM (#1100437) Homepage

      Oh no, Russian hackers again.

      But could somebody explain what exactly was leaked? Is this how they backtrack on lockdowns or something, without suffering the wrath of the torches and pitchforks? New York is already backtracking on lockdowns and Newsom's recall campaign is now at 70 percent and rising.

      • (Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 15 2021, @11:43AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 15 2021, @11:43AM (#1100507)

        Nothing much was leaked, it is unimportant (
        gov.xrrff:.executeReplythread.covVaccine211151340 information.The vaccine is safe and effective.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 15 2021, @08:30PM (4 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 15 2021, @08:30PM (#1100801)

      It's scary that they feel the need to purge the data from the web. I won't be taking any med until many people die or don't die. Go ahead and cut into the line I'm not in a hurry. If the virus has such a low death rate and the "cure" has about the same or less; but you have to take it four times a year! I'll take my chance with the virus. At least with that I can try to avoid it. With the "cure" I have to take it and risk complications to get only a few months of "protection."

      • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 16 2021, @04:32AM (3 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 16 2021, @04:32AM (#1101040)

        It's scary that they feel the need to purge the data from the web. I won't be taking any med until many people die or don't die. Go ahead and cut into the line I'm not in a hurry. If the virus has such a low death rate and the "cure" has about the same or less; but you have to take it four times a year! I'll take my chance with the virus. At least with that I can try to avoid it. With the "cure" I have to take it and risk complications to get only a few months of "protection."

        I think the impetus for removing the posted "data" is that, as ArsTechnica is reporting [arstechnica.com] that the data an emails have been doctored to portray the vaccine as less safe and effective than it actually is.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 16 2021, @06:33AM (2 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 16 2021, @06:33AM (#1101082)

          What was doctored about it?

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 16 2021, @07:45AM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 16 2021, @07:45AM (#1101092)

            What was doctored about it?

            Why do I have to repeat myself? Is it too hard to just read the comment?

            I said [soylentnews.org]:

            ArsTechnica is reporting [arstechnica.com] that the data and emails have been doctored to portray the vaccine as less safe and effective than it actually is.

            What's the matter? Are the words too big for you to understand? Or is it that you're too lazy to click on a link to get more information and want it spoon-fed to you?

            Perhaps someone else will indulge your poor reading comprehension/laziness, but not me. Sorry about that.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 16 2021, @03:14PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 16 2021, @03:14PM (#1101159)

              That doesn't answer the question. If it was doctored they could show us the original vs modified so we can see how.

  • (Score: 3, Informative) by Mojibake Tengu on Friday January 15 2021, @07:47AM (42 children)

    by Mojibake Tengu (8598) Subscriber Badge on Friday January 15 2021, @07:47AM (#1100447) Journal

    Why these data are not open for public?

    People are dying after Pfizer shit, badly. Yesterday, 23 dead in Norway, shoots started 27/12 that's two weeks only.

    --
    The edge of 太玄 cannot be defined, for it is beyond every aspect of design
    • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Mojibake Tengu on Friday January 15 2021, @09:01AM (6 children)

      by Mojibake Tengu (8598) Subscriber Badge on Friday January 15 2021, @09:01AM (#1100473) Journal

      Pfizer vaccine banned in Russia today. Perhaps they know why.

      Feel free to downmod, I am not insulted. Knowledge is priority before social status for me.

      --
      The edge of 太玄 cannot be defined, for it is beyond every aspect of design
      • (Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 15 2021, @10:01AM (3 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 15 2021, @10:01AM (#1100493)

        Where do you live that social status is influenced by soylent news mod points?

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 15 2021, @12:04PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 15 2021, @12:04PM (#1100513)

          Social status on social media is determined by social media points. The only way to win is... Well, you know.

        • (Score: 3, Funny) by The Vocal Minority on Saturday January 16 2021, @03:35AM (1 child)

          by The Vocal Minority (2765) on Saturday January 16 2021, @03:35AM (#1101021) Journal

          I think he means on Soylent News.

          Social status amongst smelly neck-beards is still social status :)

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 16 2021, @07:50AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 16 2021, @07:50AM (#1101093)

            Well, mojibake tengu would get a lot more "smelly neck-beard" cred if he didn't constantly post inane and uninformed bullshit.

            This message is copyright © 2021 by The Smelly Neck-Beards of Soylent News Benevolent Association who are solely responsible for its contents.

      • (Score: 2) by NotSanguine on Saturday January 16 2021, @04:32AM

        --
        No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
      • (Score: 2) by driverless on Sunday January 17 2021, @10:05AM

        by driverless (4770) on Sunday January 17 2021, @10:05AM (#1101442)

        Pfizer vaccine banned in Russia today.

        Russia wants you to trust their dodgy Sputnik vaccine, which is why "Russian hackers" released "hacked data" showing all sorts of scary stuff about the Pfizer vaccine, based on a mishmash of existing stories about it. For example the "55% RNA integrity" (whatever that means, it's not in the original story) is fairly close to the first-dose efficacy rate [bmj.com], and the story about fatalities in Norway was all for over-80s patients in aged care facilities, which points at some common factor other than the vaccine used.

        I would wait a few days before panicking over the data.

    • (Score: 5, Insightful) by bradley13 on Friday January 15 2021, @11:45AM (28 children)

      by bradley13 (3053) Subscriber Badge on Friday January 15 2021, @11:45AM (#1100508) Homepage Journal

      Norway has vaccinated 10s of thousands of people in old age homes. Of these, some number die every day. 23 of them died after having been vaccinated. How many of these were due to the vaccination?

      The doctors do believe that some of the weakest patients may have died as a result of the vaccination side effects. There is always the question: when do the benefits outweigh the risks. Norway has now adapted their vaccination guidelines, moving away from vaccinating the weaker patients.

      None of this means that the vaccination is dangerous. Vaccination have side-effects. Those side-effects can make some people ill. News at 11:00.

      --
      Everyone is somebody else's weirdo.
      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by leon_the_cat on Friday January 15 2021, @11:59AM (3 children)

        by leon_the_cat (10052) on Friday January 15 2021, @11:59AM (#1100510) Journal

        So you are saying it can't kill you but it can kill you. You are a great politician.

        • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 15 2021, @12:16PM (2 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 15 2021, @12:16PM (#1100519)

          > ... You are a great politician.

          Most things are analog, with a range of values and tradeoffs. Too bad you seem to live in an all-or-nothing digital world. Consider adding some more bits to your single flip-flop view of the world, at least progress to the stage of fuzzy logic.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 15 2021, @12:48PM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 15 2021, @12:48PM (#1100526)

            why is this reply a troll, this stuff is always logistic s-curves, even in a digital world (say 400 to 600 obs)

            • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 15 2021, @02:14PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 15 2021, @02:14PM (#1100542)

              Thanks for clarification (I'm the "analog" posting AC). I was surprised by that initial troll mod too, but as of now, it's already been corrected. +1 for the SN mod system?

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logistic_function [wikipedia.org] has a nice intro to s-shaped response curves.

      • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Friday January 15 2021, @04:57PM (21 children)

        by JoeMerchant (3937) on Friday January 15 2021, @04:57PM (#1100621)

        None of this means that the vaccination is dangerous.

        Unless you are one of the 23 and you died due to the vaccination instead of living another 5 full happy years with your family and friends.

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        Україна досі не є частиною Росії. https://www.newsweek.com/russian-state-tv-ukraine-war-dirty-bomb-putin-1754428
        • (Score: 2) by maxwell demon on Friday January 15 2021, @07:07PM (6 children)

          by maxwell demon (1608) Subscriber Badge on Friday January 15 2021, @07:07PM (#1100732) Journal

          If there are at least 24 who would have died from Covid-19 later this year but now don't die because of the vaccination, then the vaccination is already a net positive.

          --
          The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
          • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Friday January 15 2021, @09:21PM (5 children)

            by JoeMerchant (3937) on Friday January 15 2021, @09:21PM (#1100831)

            If there are at least 24 who would have died from Covid-19 later this year but now don't die because of the vaccination, then the vaccination is already a net positive.

            Some of us are not ready to go toe to toe against COVID-19 in an all out war of attrition just to keep the environment killing economy spinning at prior levels.

            In other words: the number of people the vaccine "saves" is very directly impacted by the number of f-tards who go around spreading it because they're too f-tardish to even wear a mask.

            The "New Zealand" approach has 100% conquered COVID-19 sans vaccine, vaccine risk is 99.999% un-necessary in NZ today.

            --
            Україна досі не є частиною Росії. https://www.newsweek.com/russian-state-tv-ukraine-war-dirty-bomb-putin-1754428
            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 15 2021, @11:51PM (4 children)

              by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 15 2021, @11:51PM (#1100909)

              You are willing to kill nursing home patients for no reason apparently.

              • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Saturday January 16 2021, @02:59AM (3 children)

                by JoeMerchant (3937) on Saturday January 16 2021, @02:59AM (#1101009)

                How many nursing home patients are dying of Covid in New Zealand this month?

                Unless they're faking their news: zero, just like the previous three months.

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                Україна досі не є частиною Росії. https://www.newsweek.com/russian-state-tv-ukraine-war-dirty-bomb-putin-1754428
                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 16 2021, @06:24AM (1 child)

                  by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 16 2021, @06:24AM (#1101077)

                  It will be a nice control when they start vaxxing them. Didn't NZ deny the vax for nursing homes though?

                  • (Score: 2) by driverless on Sunday January 17 2021, @10:08AM

                    by driverless (4770) on Sunday January 17 2021, @10:08AM (#1101443)

                    Nope. Since it's currently unnecessary in NZ, they have the luxury of sitting back and waiting to see how it plays out elsewhere before applying it. Now if I were them I'd at least vaccinate all the quarantine workers...

                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 16 2021, @06:27AM

                  by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 16 2021, @06:27AM (#1101079)
        • (Score: 3, Insightful) by fakefuck39 on Friday January 15 2021, @10:58PM (13 children)

          by fakefuck39 (6620) on Friday January 15 2021, @10:58PM (#1100890)

          you mean 5 days or months. the side effect of vaccination is not death. the side effect is one day of fever. and yes, some very old already unhealthy people can die from that. there are people that die from very light symptoms of the common cold, because when you're almost dead, you die of something. what killed you is old age.

          but yeah, if we pretend they would have lived for 5 years without having literally any other ailment, which would kill them, we could all be as angry as you.

          • (Score: 3, Informative) by JoeMerchant on Saturday January 16 2021, @02:56AM (12 children)

            by JoeMerchant (3937) on Saturday January 16 2021, @02:56AM (#1101006)

            the side effect of vaccination is not death.

            The side effect of vaccination is not the same in all cases. What is unknown at this point is how many younger people are going to get side effects that "keep on giving" for decades, like Bell's Palsy or worse. It will be difficult to prove causality, there will be claims of vaccination side effect that are coincidence not causal, maybe there are zero negative long term side effects. What I know for sure is that 15 minutes of monitoring and off you go is absolutely bullshit eyewash for the gullible masses.

            If you think you know what all the side effects are, you are delusional.

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            Україна досі не є частиною Росії. https://www.newsweek.com/russian-state-tv-ukraine-war-dirty-bomb-putin-1754428
            • (Score: 5, Informative) by fakefuck39 on Saturday January 16 2021, @03:33AM (11 children)

              by fakefuck39 (6620) on Saturday January 16 2021, @03:33AM (#1101020)

              Actually, I am not delusional, I am informed, by minoring in biochem in college, and knowing what an mRNA vaccine is. You however have zero idea how any of this works, and are spouting fearmongering garbage and misinformation.

              I know you'll completely ignore it, since not only does it not fit your narrative. Your narrative being you don't want to admit you're an idiot.

              the vaccine is not new, and is not a new method. it is not a traditional vaccine, like the Bell's Palsy one (varicella) that you're talking about. This is a short snippet of RNA, and that snippet makes a single protein - the spike protein in the virus. There is no virus, or anything else in the vaccine that does anything but make this protein. after about a day, the vaccine is used up, and what's not used up gets destroyed by being exposed to your body chemicals and temperature. Note how all these vaccines need to be stored super-frozen? well your body is very hot inside. after a couple of days, there is no trace of anything from this vaccine in your body.

              your body then detects this protein, which doesn't do anything on its own. your immune system eats the protein, and you shit it out over the next two weeks. at that point, there is no trace of this inert protein left in your body.

              The side effects are from your immune system making extra blood cells to eat the protein. The vaccine is 100% safe.

              Gullible? Why, because we know what we're talking about and believe scientists who have studied mRNA vaccines for over a decade? Gullible because we don't read some fat redneck in a suit spouting conspiracy theories on newsmax? Gullible because we don't drink bleach and hand sanitizer?

              You are literally a moron.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 16 2021, @03:22PM (8 children)

                by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 16 2021, @03:22PM (#1101162)

                Your genome is like 10% retroviruses. These produce reverse transcriptase that turns any RNA they find in the cell into DNA. They are especially active when there is a lot of cell division. Ie cancer, pregnancy, growing children, healing, etc.

                https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28931682/ [nih.gov]

                • (Score: 3, Informative) by fakefuck39 on Saturday January 16 2021, @05:33PM (6 children)

                  by fakefuck39 (6620) on Saturday January 16 2021, @05:33PM (#1101196)

                  but nothing is turned into DNA for a new cell - that DNA is not incorporated into your genome. It'll be a small random snippet of DNA - and the only thing that DNA can do is split back up into RNA and make that spike protein.

                  you have millions of random RNA fragments entering your body every day. what you're saying is if I eat a pig, I'm going to now have pig dna in my cells. that's just funny and ridiculous and false.

                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 16 2021, @09:15PM (5 children)

                    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 16 2021, @09:15PM (#1101260)

                    If you inject pig RNA enveloped in liposomes into your body then yes eventually some of it will be reverse transcribed and integrated into the genome of your cells. If you are lucky it will get into a sperm, placental, etc cell too. But who knows how frequent this is since they didn't check.

                    RNA in food isn't going to survive very long.

                    • (Score: 3, Funny) by fakefuck39 on Saturday January 16 2021, @11:10PM (4 children)

                      by fakefuck39 (6620) on Saturday January 16 2021, @11:10PM (#1101283)

                      >RNA in food isn't going to survive very long.

                      as opposed to RNA that has to be stored at -100 degrees or it breaks down within hours? ok pigboy. i get it, you got some pig dna incorporated into your braincells. keep making up pseudoscience.

                      btw, no, if we inject pig dna, we will not get pig genome in our cells. that only worked for you, and you appear to be one step below human on the evolutionary scale. keep being scared, don't take the vaccine. what i fully support is people's right to choose, completely irrelevant of how stupid their decisions may be.

                      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 16 2021, @11:39PM (3 children)

                        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 16 2021, @11:39PM (#1101296)

                        What do you think the liposomes are for?

                        • (Score: 3, Informative) by fakefuck39 on Sunday January 17 2021, @01:01AM (2 children)

                          by fakefuck39 (6620) on Sunday January 17 2021, @01:01AM (#1101331)

                          to put a bag around shit. not to keep an mrna sample at -97 degrees for several days so it doesn't get destroyed. any more bright questions skippy? did they use those big nasty liposomes to insert pig dna into your genome? what bad people.

                          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 17 2021, @01:17AM (1 child)

                            by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 17 2021, @01:17AM (#1101335)

                            "It's like an M&M," Timothy Lise, PharmD, executive director of pharmacy services for New Jersey's Atlantic Health System, where he has served an integral role in distributing the COVID-19 vaccine, tells Health. "If you have chocolate in your hand, it's going to melt, but with the candy coating on the outside, it doesn't."

                            https://www.health.com/condition/infectious-diseases/coronavirus/why-does-the-covid-19-vaccine-have-to-be-kept-so-cold [health.com]

                            • (Score: 3, Informative) by fakefuck39 on Sunday January 17 2021, @10:59AM

                              by fakefuck39 (6620) on Sunday January 17 2021, @10:59AM (#1101457)

                              which is a terrible comparison - a bag is much more apt. if mrna was protected from high temperature by the envelope, it wouldn't need to be stored frozen. you know, because it's already in the bag when in the vial. but that bag is there to protect it from everything else that's not temperature - like liquids of the solution it's in, other mrna fragments, and particulate matter and ions in the solution and in blood.

                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 18 2021, @10:41AM

                  by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 18 2021, @10:41AM (#1101942)

                  Reverse transcriptase proteins require special patterns to be present in the RNA in order to work. It doesn't just work on any old sequence it finds. If that were not the case, all RNA sequences including those from viral vector vaccines and any other source would have the same risk of endogenous DNA propagation and our genome would have far more than they do now from just ERVs.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 17 2021, @01:36PM (1 child)

                by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 17 2021, @01:36PM (#1101482)

                You are hardly understand how this vaccine works.
                You are insane if you said vaccine is 100% safe. Nothing can be 100% safe.
                Yes, RNA is used to synthesize modified covid spike protein inside your cells.
                But your need to deliver vaccine RNA inside the cells.
                All approved vaccines using edited Adenovirus for that.
                Due to modifications Adenovirus can not reproduce but should penetrate cell membrane more efficiently.
                This is very roughly how it works.
                Now that can go wrong:
                1. Hypothetically delivery Adenovirus can start to do something not expected and bad due to hybridization inside the cells. Highly unlikely. Only concern is that we are using this tech for the first time for mass vaccination.
                2. Adenovirus can cause a high fever. Like 39C. Effect is limited because modified virus can't reproduce. But high temperature is well known side effect. If you are not healthy this can be fatal. Already unhealthy heart or another organ can fail.
                3. Immune system can overreact to anything: supplementary liquid, Adenovirus, spike protein. They control immediate allergic shock by asking you stay near for 15 minutes after vaccination.
                4. Due to weaken immunity system after vaccination it is more likely to get bacterial infection. People don't die from flu, you know. They die from additional conditions.

                So be aware, be mindful. Go for vaccination as healthy as possible. Don't go if you was ill recently. If you have chronic conditions think twice and consider options.
                And don't say bullshit about 100% safe.

                • (Score: 2) by fakefuck39 on Sunday January 17 2021, @04:51PM

                  by fakefuck39 (6620) on Sunday January 17 2021, @04:51PM (#1101541)

                  >You are hardly understand
                  finish english, then take 8th grade biology, then finish high school in not alabama, then take some biochemistry in college like i did, then i might bother reading what you say.

                  >All approved vaccines using edited Adenovirus for that.
                  this is false. mRNA vaccines have zero to do with Adenovirus. you literally don't even have a "read the wiki entry" level knowledge of the subject, yet are here making bullshit fearmongering claims, which result in people ending up dead or sick if they listen to you.

                  >So be aware, be mindful. Go for vaccination as healthy as possible. Don't go if you was ill recently. If you have chronic conditions think twice and consider options.

                  under no circumstances follow any of this advice. and wtf is this rant about chronic conditions? what does that have to do w/ anything?

                  people giving advice should have advanced knowledge of the subject matter. the idiot giving advice here wants to feel smart after watching a youtube video by another idiot like himself, but has zero idea of even the basics of anything. if you're able to survive being sick with the common cold for one day, go get the vaccine as soon as you can, and let this guy and his parents get sick and hopefully die.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 15 2021, @07:38PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 15 2021, @07:38PM (#1100764)

        "None of this means that the vaccination is dangerous. Vaccination have side-effects. Those side-effects can make some people ill."

        uhh,

        $side_effects_that_make_you_ill == $dangerous

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 15 2021, @10:20PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 15 2021, @10:20PM (#1100867)

          Having a mild rhinovirus makes one ill. Having a runny nose isn't dangerous.

          You're stupid.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 15 2021, @05:59PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 15 2021, @05:59PM (#1100678)

      The elites want us dead. Why else. Has the last year taught you nothing?

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 15 2021, @08:35PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 15 2021, @08:35PM (#1100806)

        That does not make sense. They want you to polish their shoes, tidy up their gardens etc. if you blend in with the other peasants everything is fine.

    • (Score: 2) by fakefuck39 on Friday January 15 2021, @10:46PM (2 children)

      by fakefuck39 (6620) on Friday January 15 2021, @10:46PM (#1100881)

      feeding the trumptrolls i guess, but here we go:
      23 out of 25000, super old super sick people died after the vaccine. how many do you think would have died within that duration without the vaccine? i think those same 23. there is no news that anyone, in the world, has died From the vaccine. stop spreading misinformation.

      but yes, the data should be public. not because a conspiracy antivaxx loon like you wants to see it. because there is no such thing as a "pfizer vaccine," and the biontech vaccine talked about here, created by two turkish muslims in germany, was developed using a huge sum of EU taxpayer money, so any results should be open to the public.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 16 2021, @09:19PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 16 2021, @09:19PM (#1101261)

        These arguments are moronic (hence your engagement) because the outcomes are not knowable unless you do studies with identical twins having identical health histories and identical diseases simultaneously, vaccinate one, but not the other. Not enough data, and you can't predict the future either way.

        It's a gamble either way and some people love to gamble and some hate to.

        Science and medicine are doing their best, thank you and them, and we just have to wait and watch the results and learn.

        • (Score: 2) by fakefuck39 on Saturday January 16 2021, @11:12PM

          by fakefuck39 (6620) on Saturday January 16 2021, @11:12PM (#1101284)

          actually, this is completely false. I already gave the example of a phone dialing a phone number. how do you know your phone won't explode if you dial a number you haven't dialed before? the only way to be sure is to have identical twins dial the number apparently.

          there's plenty of data, and we know exactly what this long-researched mRNA method does and how it works. it's literally only you who not only lacks that knowledge, but refuses to listen to people who do, while spouting bullshit online.

    • (Score: 2) by NotSanguine on Saturday January 16 2021, @04:33AM

      --
      No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
  • (Score: 0, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 15 2021, @07:49AM (2 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 15 2021, @07:49AM (#1100449)

    Rushed vaccine that will make big pharma company more rich than the human mind is capable of comprehending was rushed.

    Now expect this to be rammed through anyway giving anti-vaxxers some actual evidence of vaccine cover-ups and conspiracy woo. Even worse if there is a coverup but compelling reason to believe this isn't a hoax.

    Maybe the postmodernists are on to something.

    • (Score: 2) by fakefuck39 on Friday January 15 2021, @11:08PM (1 child)

      by fakefuck39 (6620) on Friday January 15 2021, @11:08PM (#1100893)

      this wasn't a rushed vaccine lol. this has been worked on for over a decade. the vaccine is "programmed" with genetic code to make a specific protein. they've had this vaccine for cancer treatment, and they've researched it for other covids. the first sars is a covid. half the common colds you get every year are covids.

      here's what you're saying by "rushed." we've had a telephone for a hundred years. it hasn't been tested to dial 300-232-25533. we don't know if it'll blow up until we test dial that number a thousand times. if we try it a couple of times, it's rushed, and the phone is not safe.

      do you think the flu shot we get every year is rushed? it may surprise you to know, since you clearly don't know jack, that every year you get a shot for a different flu virus, despite them all being flu viruses. i guess they're rushed every year according to you?

      coronaviruses and vaccines against them aren't some new thing we just came up with. covid19 is. but covid19 is to coronaviruses, what a guy with a tiny penis (you) is to "humans," or what the blonde hooker who took your virginity at 25 is to "people."

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 16 2021, @07:56AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 16 2021, @07:56AM (#1101097)

        coronaviruses and vaccines against them aren't some new thing we just came up with. covid19 is. but covid19 is to coronaviruses, what a guy with a tiny penis (you) is to "humans," or what the blonde hooker who took your virginity at 25 is to "people."

        That's just mean. AC you replied to *never* lost his virginity. Just, apparently, his brain.

        Now you're just torturing him. Poor other AC.

  • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 15 2021, @01:59PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 15 2021, @01:59PM (#1100539)

    If we treat vaccines like software...maybe it is best to let some Guinea Pigs go first?

    Money is such a corruptible motivator and the current situation reeks of it.
    The Media is trustworthy to report everything that is being held secret about the Vaccines from the Public, right?

    [pops popcorn for the Zombie show]

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 15 2021, @04:00PM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 15 2021, @04:00PM (#1100584)

    Why doesn't the EU start its own competing social media platform?

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 15 2021, @04:08PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 15 2021, @04:08PM (#1100587)

      Oops, wrong thread.

  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by maxwell demon on Friday January 15 2021, @07:11PM (5 children)

    by maxwell demon (1608) Subscriber Badge on Friday January 15 2021, @07:11PM (#1100737) Journal

    I'm sure they are happy that they have the data back, right? I mean, if it was stolen, they didn't have it any more, as that is what “stolen” means.

    --
    The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
    • (Score: 2) by fakefuck39 on Friday January 15 2021, @10:50PM (4 children)

      by fakefuck39 (6620) on Friday January 15 2021, @10:50PM (#1100883)

      here in the world where we don't sit in our basement, and socialize with real physical people, stolen means something different than how you defined it to yourself, for basement use.

      when a musician copies someone's song, they stole the song. when china makes a jeep cherokee clone, they stole the car design. when you talk about some cool new app you plan on making and your coworker overhears and makes it first, they stole your idea.

      but you already knew all that, and are being purposely dense, just so you can be annoying to people. because you literally have nothing else to offer to the conversation, so you spam it.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 16 2021, @03:11PM (3 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 16 2021, @03:11PM (#1101157)

        Aren't you afraid your loose use of the word stolen will lead to misunderstandings? Anyway if you take the headline and remove the word stolen the headline would become more accurate as hacker (let's discuss that word another day) already implies that it is an outsider who have obtained a copy of it and then leaked (published) it, clarifying that it's not a whistleblower. The word stolen can only have one purpose in that headline, it's an emotional click-bait word.

        Hackers Leak Stolen Pfizer COVID-19 Vaccine Data Online
        Hackers Leak Pfizer COVID-19 Vaccine Data Online

        I know, I know no one cares about the details, especially if you're not invested in a about intellectual property in the digital domain... and yes it's common to say "stole my idea" and such things, even though it's still non-sense.

        • (Score: 2) by fakefuck39 on Saturday January 16 2021, @05:36PM (2 children)

          by fakefuck39 (6620) on Saturday January 16 2021, @05:36PM (#1101197)

          >loose use of the word stolen

          or, you know, a common primary use of the word stolen. as in stealing trade secrets, ideas, and information. aren't you afraid that you redefining the word "steal" as "original copy must also be destroyed" will only make you unable to communicate with people in society, since when you yourself change the definition of a word, no one else cares to use your new definition? aren't you afraid the only reason you do this, is to be annoying to people?

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 16 2021, @11:36PM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 16 2021, @11:36PM (#1101295)

            So you are arguing that a word that have a very broad meaning and can be used to both mean physically removing something and replicating something without permission, is the most exact form of communicating the facts? I'm just looking to confirm that, I have no further comments. Check mate.

            • (Score: 2) by fakefuck39 on Sunday January 17 2021, @12:58AM

              by fakefuck39 (6620) on Sunday January 17 2021, @12:58AM (#1101330)

              actually, my argument is that your a loser social outcast with nothing interesting to contribute, but still want to insert yourself into conversations where you have nothing to say, so you start arguing that a common usage of a word in everyday speech is wrong. because that draws people like me to laugh at the ugly dork, and that's at least someone talking to you. i didn't bother reading your comment past the first 5 words, but i'm gonna assume it was something about how women are trash because they don't go after guys who are "nice" to them. it's just funnier for me that way, and let's face it, every word you've written had no other purpose than providing me with entertainment by laughing at the loser.

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