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posted by martyb on Friday June 25 2021, @08:45PM   Printer-friendly

(This is from the first link I found online.)

Derek Chauvin Sentenced to 22.5 Years for George Floyd Murder:

Derek Chauvin, the white former Minneapolis police officer convicted of killing George Floyd, a Black man, was sentenced to 22 and half years in prison Friday.

[...] The 22 1/2-year sentence is 10 years more than the state’s guidelines and Cahill justified the longer sentence citing “aggravating factors”.

In his ruling last month, Cahill found that prosecutors had shown there were four aggravating factors that would allow him to hand down a longer prison term than sentencing guidelines would dictate.

The judge agreed that Chauvin abused his position of trust and authority; that he treated Floyd with particular cruelty by kneeling on his neck for over nine minutes, even as Floyd declared “I can’t breathe”; that he committed the crime as part of a group with three other officers; and that he committed the murder in front of children.

The prosecution had requested Derek Chauvin serve 360 months (30 years) in prison. The defense requested 150 months (12.5 years).

From Wikipedia:

On April 20, 2021, a jury, consisting of six white people and six people of color, found Chauvin guilty on three counts: unintentional second-degree murder; third-degree murder; and second-degree manslaughter

Derek Chauvin, 45, was convicted of second-degree unintentional murder, third-degree murder and second-degree manslaughter. The jurors deliberated for more than 10 hours over two days before coming to their decision.

Also at: NY Times, NBC News, Newsweek.

Previously:
Police Bodycam Footage Shows George Floyd Arrest in Detail
George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here


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George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here 385 comments

African-American George Floyd's death has led to marches, demonstrations, acts of violence, and looting across the USA and in other parts of the world. Emotions are running high. We will not attempt to accuse or defend anyone here. Just attempt to lay out the information we have and offer it up for the community to discuss. Many comments about this incident have been posted to unrelated stories on this site. This is, therefore, an attempt to provide one place on SoylentNews where people are encouraged to discuss it. So as to not derail other stories on the site, I kindly ask you focus those comments here.

Wikipedia has a page about this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_George_Floyd (permanent link to the page as it appeared at the time of writing):

On May 25, 2020, George Floyd, an African-American man, was killed in the Powderhorn community of Minneapolis, Minnesota. While Floyd was handcuffed and lying face down on a city street during an arrest, Derek Chauvin, a white American Minneapolis police officer, kept his knee on the right side of Floyd's neck for 8 minutes and 46 seconds; according to the criminal complaint against Chauvin, 2 minutes and 53 seconds of that time occurred after Floyd became unresponsive.[3][4][5][6][7] Officers Tou Thao, J. Alexander Kueng, and Thomas K. Lane participated in Floyd's arrest, with Kueng holding Floyd's back, Lane holding his legs, and Thao looking on and preventing intervention by an onlooker as he stood nearby.[8]:6:24[9][10]

The arrest was made after Floyd was accused of using a counterfeit $20 bill at a market.[11] Police said Floyd physically resisted arrest.[12][13] Some media organizations commented that a security camera from a nearby business did not show Floyd resisting.[14][15] The criminal complaint filed later said that based on body camera footage, Floyd repeatedly said he couldn't breathe while standing outside the police car, resisted getting in the car and intentionally fell down.[16][17][18][19] Several bystanders recorded the event on their smartphones, with one video showing Floyd repeating "Please", "I can't breathe", "Mama", and "Don't kill me" being widely circulated on social media platforms and broadcast by the media.[20] While knee-to-neck restraints are allowed in Minnesota under certain circumstances, Chauvin's usage of the technique has been widely criticized by law enforcement experts as excessive.[21][22][23] All four officers were fired the day after the incident.[24]

[...] Charges: Third-degree murder (Chauvin) Second-degree manslaughter (Chauvin)

This has been extensively covered by the media. Some outlets attempt to put their own interpretations on their coverage with their selection of video footage and with their commentary. It is difficult to find a simple video of the incident. Here is one that has coverage from the time of initial encounter of the police the officers with George Floyd up through his being taken away by ambulance. The video is a composite of shots from a restaurant's surveillance camera (Dragon Wok), Officer body cam, and bystander cell phones. YouTube footage: Full George Floyd Available Footage (21:12). If anyone has more complete footage of the arrest, please mention it clearly (with a link) in the comments.

Lastly, this is a hard time for everybody. Pandemic. Lock-down. Unemployment. Fears. Please be mindful of others' circumstances when commenting. We are a community sprung from a time of challenge. Let us continue to be here for one-another during this difficult time. SoylentNews is People.


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Police Bodycam Footage Shows George Floyd Arrest in Detail 161 comments

[Editor's note: This is a follow-on to the story George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here that we ran on June 2, 2020. With 385 comments, it was the 5th-most-discussed story in the history of SoylentNews. All four of the officers involved were fired from the police force and are facing charges for the death.

New body-cam footage has come to light, exclusively on DailyMail.com. The two videos there fill in gaps from the previously-released footage.

In light of the interest when we first ran the story, the continuing "Black Lives Matter" protests, and the information this brings to light, I have decided to run this story.

NOTE: Each news organization has their own "take" on the killing. This coverage from DailyMail.com is no exception; read it with a heaping helping of the proverbial "grain of salt". It has been excerpted here without elision so as to not add any additional "spin".

WARNING: Please be aware the video content is disturbing; viewer discretion is advised. --martyb]


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  • (Score: 3, Flamebait) by Runaway1956 on Friday June 25 2021, @08:52PM (33 children)

    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Friday June 25 2021, @08:52PM (#1149318) Homepage Journal

    I'm thrilled that cops can held accountable for being assholes. This sends a signal to cops all over America. Youtube is filled with video of cops being complete assholes, disregarding human rights, and more. This is great.

    But, it looks like Chauvin may be somebody's scapegoat, too. Yeah, they're rationalizing the 22 years pretty well. But, the fact is, few people convicted of 2nd degree murder are sentenced to 22 years these days. Some people convicted of first degree murder don't get sentences that long.

    Seems to me that 12 years would have been about right, maybe 15. 22 is catering to public sentiment, IMO.

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    "no more than 8 bullets in a round" - Joe Biden
    • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 25 2021, @08:57PM (2 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 25 2021, @08:57PM (#1149320)

      But, it looks like Chauvin may be somebody's scapegoat, too. ... Seems to me that 12 years would have been about right, maybe 15. 22 is catering to public sentiment, IMO.

      He did unjustifiably murder somebody while wearing a government uniform.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 25 2021, @10:53PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 25 2021, @10:53PM (#1149375)

        To protect (i.e., shoot and murder) and serve (bully and rule) ... the public?

        • (Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 25 2021, @11:36PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 25 2021, @11:36PM (#1149390)

          Farmers also protect their cattle, before serving it.

    • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 25 2021, @09:03PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 25 2021, @09:03PM (#1149323)

      FEW people are government employees, killing people in their custody.

      • (Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 25 2021, @09:22PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 25 2021, @09:22PM (#1149336)

        Daily reminder: Judeo-Globalists created a religion around an ugly, criminal dope-addict who once held a gun to a woman; now this ugly catfish-nosed crook is having statues put up in his honor while historically relevant statues are being torn down.

        B-b-but MUH I CAINT BREEV!

        Hard to believe with those catfish nostrils, but fucking career criminals always say that when they're resisting arrest and deservedly restrained by the cops. If he wasn't doped-up enough to die he would have jumped up and high-tailed it out of there, probably robbing an old lady along the way. This is the era of affirmative action, they guy could have got a job and bought his bananas with real 20-dollar bills and still been alive if he weren't a fuckup.

        The only good news coming from this is now the hipster faggots who supported BLM are getting shot up by Black people, in their own gentrified neighborhoods like all those people who were shot in Austin, or every other day in Brooklyn when Black people mug the elderly and shoot people with kids at point-blank range. And now, with this court ruling, cops will be even more reluctant to show up when violence kicks off.

        That is what happens when progressive Judeo-Globalists infiltrate your country and are allowed to vote.

    • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 25 2021, @09:12PM (3 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 25 2021, @09:12PM (#1149330)

      The judge doesn't want his own house burned down. At least he didn't hand Chauvin 30 years.

      • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 26 2021, @06:09AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 26 2021, @06:09AM (#1149520)

        Ah yes, serving justice is niw consudered injustice by Republicans and they are happy to see murder not punished severely. Deplorables, time for sane conservatives to #WalkAway

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 27 2021, @12:40PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 27 2021, @12:40PM (#1149933)

        The judge doesn't want his own house burned down. At least Which is why he didn't hand Chauvin 30 years.

        FTFY

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 28 2021, @02:30AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 28 2021, @02:30AM (#1150197)

          Yup, as we've seen the real dangerous criminals are the rightwing domestic terrorists.

    • (Score: 3, Interesting) by edIII on Friday June 25 2021, @09:17PM (5 children)

      by edIII (791) on Friday June 25 2021, @09:17PM (#1149331)

      I agree with you about the duration, but that is because I've watched enough about prisons to understand that 10 years in prison is a very long time. I used to hear 10 years in prison and think that it might be too short, but after hearing so much from ex-cons, prison documentaries, prison reform advocates, I believe differently.

      It's not that I believe he deserves less punishment, on the contrary. I just believe the way 22.5 years feels to most people, actually equates out to 10 years in reality.

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      Technically, lunchtime is at any moment. It's just a wave function.
      • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 26 2021, @01:10AM (3 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 26 2021, @01:10AM (#1149439)

        I've watched enough about prisons to understand that 10 years in prison is a very long time.

        It pales into insignificance compared to the extra-judicial death sentence Chauvin handed out to Floyd.

        Dead is forever. Chauvin will be free one day. Can't say the same for the guy he murdered. The smirk on his face as he killed Floyd says it all - depraved indifferent.

        • (Score: 2) by edIII on Saturday June 26 2021, @07:03PM (2 children)

          by edIII (791) on Saturday June 26 2021, @07:03PM (#1149716)

          Depraved indifferent is going to be the look on the face of the animals fucking him in the ass.

          All I'm saying is that 10 years in a hellscape like prison is a lot longer than you think it is. It's like telling a 5 year old they have a 5 minute timeout. To them you just murdered them by asking them to sit still for 5 minutes, which is forever in their perception. People outside of prison have this perception that 10 years goes by real fast, when in prison each day is like a year.

          10 years is going to seem like forever to Chauvin, especially being a dirty cop. George Floyd may be dead, but Chauvin is going to wish he was pretty soon.

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          Technically, lunchtime is at any moment. It's just a wave function.
          • (Score: 1) by Retian on Monday June 28 2021, @12:14PM (1 child)

            by Retian (4977) on Monday June 28 2021, @12:14PM (#1150296)

            "You say that like it's a bad thing."

            • (Score: 2) by edIII on Friday July 02 2021, @09:03PM

              by edIII (791) on Friday July 02 2021, @09:03PM (#1152365)

              I say that to give some of these people that are butthurt by the 22.5 years some much needed perspective.

              Some have brought up how people who have done far less got 15 years using whataboutism. Which is an entirely different discussion, that being the sentences for some not being commensurate with the crime. The example that sticks with me all the time is the man (yes, he was black) that broke into a burger joint and cooked himself some food. He got 15 years which is just extraordinarily excessive. This excessive sentencing doesn't mean we sentence Chauvin to 75 to attempt to balance it out. To me it means we reform the system. I do believe a lot of the excessive sentences happen to minorities.

              All I'm pointing out is that people have a warped perspective of time in prison and think more is less. 22.5 years for Chauvin is effectively a life sentence. Even if he survives, he will get out just in time to live life in diapers.

              22.5 years is a damn long time in prison. It really is.

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              Technically, lunchtime is at any moment. It's just a wave function.
      • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 26 2021, @08:34AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 26 2021, @08:34AM (#1149556)

        22.5 years is too long if he showed any repentance and remorse for what he did, soon after he did it.

        But nope, didn't see any of that. So the more years he is in there the safer those outside are from him.

        This cop should also do 20 years, so that the public don't have to play deadly versions of "simon says" for him: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OflGwyWcft8 [youtube.com]

    • (Score: 4, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 25 2021, @09:48PM (2 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 25 2021, @09:48PM (#1149351)

      22 is catering to public sentiment, IMO.

      Perhaps. But so what? He received a fair trial and the sentence is within the legally established bounds.

      No, it's not the ordinary sentence. But this is not an ordinary crime.

      • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 25 2021, @10:03PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 25 2021, @10:03PM (#1149361)

        A fair trial, motion for mistrial and appeal notwithstanding.

        • (Score: 2) by number11 on Saturday June 26 2021, @04:46AM

          by number11 (1170) Subscriber Badge on Saturday June 26 2021, @04:46AM (#1149509)

          Defense attorneys on the losing side of a case generally do hail mary's like that. Doesn't usually work, but it's their job.

    • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Rosco P. Coltrane on Friday June 25 2021, @09:52PM

      by Rosco P. Coltrane (4757) on Friday June 25 2021, @09:52PM (#1149354)

      22 is catering to public sentiment

      Part of what the justice system is for is allowing the community to heal without resorting to lynching the wrongdoer. It always caters to public sentiment, but does so within the legal framework after careful and argumented consideration.

    • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday June 25 2021, @10:23PM (6 children)

      by Azuma Hazuki (5086) Subscriber Badge on Friday June 25 2021, @10:23PM (#1149368) Journal

      He's a cop, damn it. Far from being less accountable, people who commit crimes under color of law should receive *harsher* sentences.

      The law is only the law if it applies to all of us. Otherwise it's just coercion by force of superior weaponry. You of all people, considering your knee-jerk "fuck you I won't do what you tell me" contrarianism regardless of context, ought to understand this.

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      • (Score: 4, Funny) by Runaway1956 on Friday June 25 2021, @11:00PM (3 children)

        by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Friday June 25 2021, @11:00PM (#1149377) Homepage Journal

        considering your knee-jerk "fuck you I won't do what you tell me" contrarianism regardless of context,

        That's why you love me? It's not just my fine physique?

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        "no more than 8 bullets in a round" - Joe Biden
        • (Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 26 2021, @06:11AM (2 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 26 2021, @06:11AM (#1149521)

          No one loves you which is why you shitpost here to get some sweaty fat incels to help you circle-jerk.

          • (Score: 0, Offtopic) by Runaway1956 on Saturday June 26 2021, @10:57AM (1 child)

            by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Saturday June 26 2021, @10:57AM (#1149580) Homepage Journal

            Wrong. You sweaty fat incels would have a heart attack trying to lift my equipment. You're more accustomed to working with magnifying glasses and tweezers.

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            "no more than 8 bullets in a round" - Joe Biden
            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 28 2021, @02:32AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 28 2021, @02:32AM (#1150198)

              Nice affirmation that you didn't intend to make ;^)

      • (Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 26 2021, @01:13AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 26 2021, @01:13AM (#1149441)
        We should hold politicians to a higher standard as well:
      • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Monday June 28 2021, @04:51PM

        by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Monday June 28 2021, @04:51PM (#1150430) Journal

        I wish I could mod you up more.

        Glad to see you back.

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    • (Score: 5, Informative) by c0lo on Saturday June 26 2021, @12:30AM (3 children)

      by c0lo (156) on Saturday June 26 2021, @12:30AM (#1149418) Journal

      But, it looks like Chauvin may be somebody's scapegoat, too.

      RoE in Iraq [hrw.org] confirmed by vets [twimg.com]
      Cry me a river, when the military are required to keep their heads cool under more pressure than the "poor scapegoat" Chauvin have seen in his entire life.

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    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 26 2021, @12:40AM (2 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 26 2021, @12:40AM (#1149422)

      But, it looks like Chauvin may be somebody's scapegoat, too.

      That somebody are the cops. They are trained to act that way with impunity. They got away with the behavior for so long because, before, there were no camera. Rodney King's case became what it is because of the camera footage from the choppers.

      And that's absolutely no excuse. It's like Eichmann saying "I was just following the order" - i.e., all other cops do the same.

      It's long long overdue, and if Chauvin is the "unlucky" fuck, he can't complain that he is innocent.

      • (Score: 2, Insightful) by khallow on Saturday June 26 2021, @02:41AM (1 child)

        by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Saturday June 26 2021, @02:41AM (#1149474) Journal

        They got away with the behavior for so long because, before, there were no camera. Rodney King's case became what it is because of the camera footage from the choppers.

        It's interesting how aggressively some police are prosecuting people with cameras while simultaneously wanting video surveillance of everyone else.

        It's long long overdue, and if Chauvin is the "unlucky" fuck, he can't complain that he is innocent.

        When it comes to injustice, somebody has to be first or it never gets addressed. Too often we get the excuses that it's ok because others do it too.

        • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Saturday June 26 2021, @04:32AM

          by c0lo (156) on Saturday June 26 2021, @04:32AM (#1149507) Journal

          It's interesting how aggressively some police are prosecuting people with cameras while simultaneously wanting video surveillance of everyone else.

          If they raise the hood... [reddit.com]

          Debunked [snopes.com], but unfortunately plausible in America nowadays.

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          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0
  • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 25 2021, @09:11PM (44 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 25 2021, @09:11PM (#1149329)

    A black "male". not black "man". George Floyd was not a man, but a dumb beast. Fuck Chauvin though. He should have had him in the car a long time before he did, and shouldn't have been callously kneeling on him like that for so long. Having said that, the real fault lies with Chauvin's superiors who are throwing him under the bus. "Officers" are taught these tactics and are not held responsible for their day to day actions or regressions in their dealing with suspects/detainees/arrestees. While we live in this multicultural Goy slave colony we should have some basic level of decency. However, Floyd should have been killed before this ever happened. Anyone who sticks a gun to a pregnant lady's stomach should be exterminated as the vermin they are.
    The best place for blacks is Africa. Even if we (whites: the people that foolishly pay all the bills, and created the whole modern world) paid for cruise passage, most wouldn't go without a fight, because they want to leach off Whitey while whining and preying on the weaker whites the whole time. Race/civil war is coming, which is just fine by the international Talmudic Jew, i'm sure.

    • (Score: 5, Funny) by Tork on Friday June 25 2021, @09:22PM

      by Tork (3914) on Friday June 25 2021, @09:22PM (#1149337)
      How many arguments did you lose to find this sorta silliness worth the time and energy?
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    • (Score: 5, Interesting) by Runaway1956 on Friday June 25 2021, @09:22PM (41 children)

      by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Friday June 25 2021, @09:22PM (#1149338) Homepage Journal

      not a man, but a dumb beast.

      And, you're not a man, but an asshole. Pure asshole. People forced to walk behind you see only a black hole in front of them.

      "Officers" are taught these tactics

      Multiple people testified that Chauvin was never trained to restrain a suspect in the manner used. Extensive testimony tells us that once cuffed, a suspect is to be helped into an upright position. Further testimony indicates that all officers are made aware that a suspect with hands cuffed behind will experience breathing difficulties when in the prone position.

      In short, that dog won't hunt.

      Have a crummy day, Asshole.

      --
      "no more than 8 bullets in a round" - Joe Biden
      • (Score: 0, Touché) by TheMightyChickadee on Friday June 25 2021, @09:48PM (38 children)

        by TheMightyChickadee (14674) on Friday June 25 2021, @09:48PM (#1149352)

        Runaway finds a bigger asshole than him? There's always a bigger asshole!

        • (Score: 2) by Tork on Friday June 25 2021, @09:54PM (33 children)

          by Tork (3914) on Friday June 25 2021, @09:54PM (#1149357)
          You're calling him a big asshole while he's standing up for a murder victim. Smooth.
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          • (Score: 1, Informative) by TheMightyChickadee on Friday June 25 2021, @10:09PM (32 children)

            by TheMightyChickadee (14674) on Friday June 25 2021, @10:09PM (#1149363)

            Big, but not the biggest. Runaway has stood up for murders before, so nice to see he is not onboard with murdering racist cops, just minors who cross state lines with a illegally possessed weapon to murder protestors.

            • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Tork on Friday June 25 2021, @10:12PM

              by Tork (3914) on Friday June 25 2021, @10:12PM (#1149366)
              I am very aware of Runaway's CV. I'm calling you out because calling someone an asshole when they're not being one has a way of turning into a self-fulfilling prophecy.
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            • (Score: 1, Flamebait) by Runaway1956 on Friday June 25 2021, @11:04PM (30 children)

              by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Friday June 25 2021, @11:04PM (#1149380) Homepage Journal

              1. Kyle didn't carry any weapons across state lines - and doing so would be irrelevant.
              2. Kyle didn't murder anyone, he defended himself from attack by an unruly, rioting mob.
              3. Not 100% certain of the legality of his possession yet. The jury isn't even seated yet.

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              "no more than 8 bullets in a round" - Joe Biden
              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 25 2021, @11:08PM (29 children)

                by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 25 2021, @11:08PM (#1149382)

                You're being an asshole, Runaway! And on cue! I favor a death penalty for Kyle. Unlike Chauvin, premeditated, with malice aforethought.

                • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Friday June 25 2021, @11:15PM (28 children)

                  by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Friday June 25 2021, @11:15PM (#1149384) Homepage Journal

                  And, you're being an idiot. Justifiable homicide, plain and simple. If I chased you down the street while beating you over the head with a skateboard, you would grab any weapon you happened to stumble across, and shoot me to death. Try to tell us any different, and you're a damned liar.

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                  "no more than 8 bullets in a round" - Joe Biden
                  • (Score: 3, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 25 2021, @11:27PM (17 children)

                    by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 25 2021, @11:27PM (#1149388)

                    If I chased you down the street while beating you over the head with a skateboard, you would grab any weapon you happened to stumble across, and shoot me to death.

                    No because I wouldn't have even driven there armed and ready to shoot someone.

                    • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Friday June 25 2021, @11:47PM (13 children)

                      by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Friday June 25 2021, @11:47PM (#1149397) Homepage Journal

                      So, you're telling me a number of things.

                      1. Kyle had no right to be in town that night because you say so. Kyle is only as free as you choose to allow him to be, just because.

                      1.a The rioters have rights that Kyle did not, because you haven't condemned them for being in town, with murder and mayhem on their minds.

                      2. Possession of a defensive weapon is enough to convict an American citizen of a crime, the 2nd Amendment notwithstanding.

                      2.a The rioter's possession of weapons appears to be alright in your mind, including the freak who aimed a pistol at Kyle's head.

                      3. If/when you happen to find yourself in a Shit Hits The Fan situation, you're not especially likely to be a survivor.

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                      "no more than 8 bullets in a round" - Joe Biden
                      • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 26 2021, @12:36AM (9 children)

                        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 26 2021, @12:36AM (#1149420)
                        I'm saying your intentions while heading into a situation matter.
                        • (Score: 3, Touché) by Runaway1956 on Saturday June 26 2021, @12:54AM (8 children)

                          by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Saturday June 26 2021, @12:54AM (#1149427) Homepage Journal

                          I agree with that. The rioter's intentions were murder and mayhem, arson, and looting. Kyle stood in their way. The rioters should be on trial, and Kyle should have been given a medal.

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                          "no more than 8 bullets in a round" - Joe Biden
                          • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 26 2021, @01:34AM (2 children)

                            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 26 2021, @01:34AM (#1149452)
                            He went there to play with his toy and look cool in front of his cop buddies, spare me the 'medal' bullshit... especially while you're doing exactly what you're bitching about.

                            As for the rioters: I have absolutely no problem at all with rioters getting arrested and charged the same way rittenhouse did, you'll note that I haven't said one word in defense of them. I don't actually have the authority to sign permission slips for rioters to go out and be violent so bitching to me about them does nothing more than make your like-minded buddies nod their head vigorously while gibbering about how the law should work in their favor cos they're oh-so-righteous. Neither BLM or Antifa, however, are terms interchangeable with the word 'rioter'. Nobody's defending the rioters, you might have actually seen that by now if you would finally develop a lil bit of sophistication with the terms you're using.

                            When you're really interested in BLM protests ending, and you actually understand what the fuck is going on instead of spouting the regurgitated nonsense that has been refuted a jillion times, you'll become a big fan of doing something to get the cops to cut this shit out. BLM appears when people die, it's a pretty clear pattern. When you say stupid shit like Rittenhouse should get a medal for murder, you're not walking in the direction of things getting better, you're supporting your sports team and perpetuating the game for more innings AND you're weakening the integrity of gun owners in this country. You're gonna need to do a lot better than going "ppl i dont like should be shot!"
                            • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 26 2021, @07:36AM (1 child)

                              by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 26 2021, @07:36AM (#1149536)

                              The first person Rittenhouse shot was running away. Yeah, there was some shouting, that's not an imminent threat. You go to a protest, you expect to get shouted at. There's nothing even to question here. It's a murder.

                              The second shooting is a little more interesting, legally speaking, or morally. Rittenhouse was under attack. Now the reason he was under attack was that he just murdered somebody. Is there a right to self defense if the person you are defending yourself against believes that they are saving innocent bystanders from a potential mass shooter? Or even one who believes (correctly, in this case) that they are apprehending a murderer?

                              Personally I don't think the right to self defense should be so broad. The person who has provoked the violence should not be able to claim self defense. (Well, they can claim it, it just doesn't mean anything). The determination of who provoked the violence is just a question of fact, albeit one that is obvious in this case.

                              • (Score: 0, Flamebait) by Runaway1956 on Saturday June 26 2021, @11:04AM

                                by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Saturday June 26 2021, @11:04AM (#1149583) Homepage Journal

                                Wait, wut? If I understand your first sentence correctly, you've somehow got it upside down. The first person shot by Kyle was aggressively chasing after Kyle - Kyle was the person running away. It was a DEFENSIVE shooting on Kyle's part.

                                Kyle didn't shoot until he ran out of places to run, AND he heard a gunshot, AND his attacker was reaching for his weapon. 100% justifiable on Kyle's part.

                                --
                                "no more than 8 bullets in a round" - Joe Biden
                          • (Score: 2) by epitaxial on Saturday June 26 2021, @04:23AM (4 children)

                            by epitaxial (3165) on Saturday June 26 2021, @04:23AM (#1149503)

                            Remind me again what law enforcement powers Kyle had?

                            • (Score: 0, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 26 2021, @04:39AM

                              by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 26 2021, @04:39AM (#1149508)

                              Vigilantes's power.
                              Trump deluded them they have all rights to do it. Because "law and ORDER, on my ORDER dammit [theguardian.com]"

                              Trump told top US general to ‘just shoot’ racism protesters, book claims

                              • President also said law enforcement should ‘crack skulls’
                              • Gen Mark Milley resisted Trump’s calls for violent response
                            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 26 2021, @05:28AM (2 children)

                              by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 26 2021, @05:28AM (#1149513)

                              1/ The law of self-defense,
                              and given the outcome;
                              2/ The law of superior firepower.

                              • (Score: 2) by epitaxial on Saturday June 26 2021, @07:36PM (1 child)

                                by epitaxial (3165) on Saturday June 26 2021, @07:36PM (#1149723)

                                I don't understand these weird masturbatory fantasies about wanting to shoot protestors. Your life must be terribly shallow and frightening to lash out against people with a point of view different from yours.

                                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 27 2021, @05:16AM

                                  by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 27 2021, @05:16AM (#1149874)

                                  I don't have fantasies about shooting protesters, but you have to be a special kind of idiot to chase and attack a guy carrying a rifle. Think of it as evolution in action.

                      • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 26 2021, @12:39AM

                        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 26 2021, @12:39AM (#1149421)

                        I'm telling you cops killing black folk is wrong. Loser Trumpster teens killing to support cops killing people is wrong. YOU are wrong, Runaway.

                      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 26 2021, @03:04AM (1 child)

                        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 26 2021, @03:04AM (#1149480)

                        Runaway, you're... SOBER? :)

                        • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday June 26 2021, @06:34PM

                          by Azuma Hazuki (5086) Subscriber Badge on Saturday June 26 2021, @06:34PM (#1149705) Journal

                          He's been stoned out of his hollow rattling gourd on his own jenkem fumes for decades from the sound of it...

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                    • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 26 2021, @01:05AM (2 children)

                      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 26 2021, @01:05AM (#1149436)

                      Too late, Runaway's been triggered. All that good will from a reasonable opinion on Chauvin is gone.

                      • (Score: 2) by Tork on Saturday June 26 2021, @01:53AM (1 child)

                        by Tork (3914) on Saturday June 26 2021, @01:53AM (#1149459)
                        I tried. :/
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                  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by epitaxial on Saturday June 26 2021, @04:21AM (9 children)

                    by epitaxial (3165) on Saturday June 26 2021, @04:21AM (#1149502)

                    Why did you travel to a mob with a weapon in the first place?

                    • (Score: 0, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 26 2021, @05:34AM (8 children)

                      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 26 2021, @05:34AM (#1149514)

                      Where you are and why you are there are irrelevant. You have the right to go peaceably about your business. If you are viciously attacked you have the right to defend yourself. It wasn't even a dubious stand-your-ground defense, Kyle was sprinting down the street trying to get away. His assailant was just slightly faster and caught him.
                       

                      • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 26 2021, @08:42AM (1 child)

                        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 26 2021, @08:42AM (#1149558)

                        Where you are and why you are there are irrelevant. You have the right to go peaceably about your business.

                        Especially if your business as a radicalized baby-faced incel teen is to shot some fucking antifa! Ya! Hooyah! Kyle went there to kill some coons, or some socialists, or girls that talked back to him! A real man! Or, cowardly asshole trying to impede other's rights to protest. Death penalty is too good for him. Can we bring back the drawing and quartering?

                        • (Score: 0, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 26 2021, @10:13AM

                          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 26 2021, @10:13AM (#1149572)

                          You 'tards are going to lose your minds when he's acquitted of all charges. lol.

                      • (Score: 2) by epitaxial on Saturday June 26 2021, @07:30PM (5 children)

                        by epitaxial (3165) on Saturday June 26 2021, @07:30PM (#1149721)

                        You autists always gloss over little things like intent. Oh I'm just out for a midnight stroll with my rifle and a mob happened to appear. The law takes intent into account.

                        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 26 2021, @11:25PM (4 children)

                          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 26 2021, @11:25PM (#1149783)

                          Yes, intent matters. Rittenhouse clearly had the intent to disengage when he ran away. And Rosenbaum clearly had malicious intent when he chased him down the street and caught him. Huber was trying to bash his head in with a skateboard. Grosskreutz has publicly stated he was trying to shoot him with a pistol. Three clear cases of self-defense.

                          Seriously, have you watched the videos? He is going to be acquitted. If you have seen them, maybe try watching them again, but this time pretend that it is three nasty conservatives chasing and attacking a poor little antifa and see if your perception changes.

                          • (Score: 2) by epitaxial on Monday June 28 2021, @09:08PM (3 children)

                            by epitaxial (3165) on Monday June 28 2021, @09:08PM (#1150567)

                            If this is a clear case of self defense then why did they bother filing charges?

                            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 29 2021, @02:49AM (2 children)

                              by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 29 2021, @02:49AM (#1150672)

                              Appeasement of the mob.

                              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 29 2021, @08:58PM (1 child)

                                by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 29 2021, @08:58PM (#1150996)

                                I don't see what the qtarded insurrectionists have to do with this story, pretty sure they'd be happy to let a white supremacist off the hook for murder. You feeling ok bruh?

                                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 30 2021, @01:40AM

                                  by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 30 2021, @01:40AM (#1151123)

                                  No, the other mob. You know, the one that's "mostly peaceful".

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 25 2021, @09:54PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 25 2021, @09:54PM (#1149358)

          It's assholes all the way down.

        • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 25 2021, @10:11PM (2 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 25 2021, @10:11PM (#1149365)

          Runaway is the resident controlled opposition of SN. He's only as "conservative" as the Judeo-Globalists allow him to be, and the only person who's allowed to post 2 inches to the right of Mao without being modded to hell.

          • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 25 2021, @10:25PM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 25 2021, @10:25PM (#1149369)
            "I fantasize about things like conspiracies to silence me because my opinions are shallow, inarticulate, and regurgitated from a source that profits from outrage."
            • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 26 2021, @12:45AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 26 2021, @12:45AM (#1149426)

              *sigh* Lighten up, Francis

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 26 2021, @04:52PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 26 2021, @04:52PM (#1149680)

        > Multiple people testified that Chauvin was never trained to restrain a suspect in the manner used.

        It is widely believed that he did not receive this training, because what you say about the testimony is correct. But, unfortunately, the testimony appears to be false, or at least, misleading. The Minneapolis police department did get training in this "technique":

        ihttps://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/minnesota-cops-trained-israeli-forces-restraint-techniques

        (different AC than you were responding to)

        • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Saturday June 26 2021, @05:30PM

          by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Saturday June 26 2021, @05:30PM (#1149691) Homepage Journal

          Someone (maybe you) has linked to that article in the past. Sorry, I don't give Neta Golan a lot of credibility. Maybe if she had supplied video evidence supporting her claim. Maybe if she had documents to back her up. Maybe a small army of witnesses. Maybe she should have attended Chauvin's trial, and offered expert testimony. Maybe, maybe, maybe.

          As things stand, she is some random activist badmouthing Israel, and America.

          --
          "no more than 8 bullets in a round" - Joe Biden
    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 26 2021, @01:15AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 26 2021, @01:15AM (#1149443)
      Found the cop-sucker.
  • (Score: 4, Informative) by mendax on Friday June 25 2021, @09:42PM (1 child)

    by mendax (2840) on Friday June 25 2021, @09:42PM (#1149348)

    The prosecution had requested Derek Chauvin serve 360 months (30 years) in prison. The defense requested 150 months (12.5 years).

    The defense wanted probation for God's sake. Probation for a murder! In any case, the 22.5 years sentence is just, although in my mind it should have been longer. This cop is going to be in hell for a very long time. He's going to be kept in solitary confinement for his own protection for the foreseeable future. That is hell. Eventually he will be thrown into the general prison population where he will have to fend for himself. That is hell.

    --
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    • (Score: 4, Insightful) by HiThere on Saturday June 26 2021, @02:13PM

      by HiThere (866) on Saturday June 26 2021, @02:13PM (#1149638) Journal

      Given what prisons are like, I don't think 20 years is ever just. Anything over about 7 years should be replaced with execution for humanitarian reasons.

      That's not a good answer. A better answer would require redoing the prison system. I'm opposed to capital punishment. But given the current prison system, it seems the lesser evil.

      --
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  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by EJ on Friday June 25 2021, @10:30PM (37 children)

    by EJ (2452) on Friday June 25 2021, @10:30PM (#1149371)

    When your team loses, you are supposed to riot and set fire to your city.

    When your team wins, you're also supposed to riot and set fire to your city.

    I think that's how it works.

    • (Score: 4, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 25 2021, @10:38PM (6 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 25 2021, @10:38PM (#1149374)

      Clearly you’re a Habs fan

      • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Saturday June 26 2021, @01:12AM (5 children)

        by fustakrakich (6150) on Saturday June 26 2021, @01:12AM (#1149440) Journal

        awful, awful people [nbcsports.com]

        --
        La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 26 2021, @01:19AM (4 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 26 2021, @01:19AM (#1149446)
          The cops SHOULD investigate all cases of excessive violence in sports, and lay charges as necessary. There are plenty of injuries because a player negligently or purposely used excessive force.
          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 26 2021, @01:31AM (3 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 26 2021, @01:31AM (#1149451)

            > There are plenty of injuries because a player negligently or purposely used excessive force.

            Well, there goes NASCAR.
            Plonk.

            • (Score: 2) by mhajicek on Saturday June 26 2021, @05:25AM (1 child)

              by mhajicek (51) on Saturday June 26 2021, @05:25AM (#1149512)

              If you ain't rubbin', you ain't racin'.

              --
              The spacelike surfaces of time foliations can have a cusp at the surface of discontinuity. - P. Hajicek
              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 26 2021, @05:35PM

                by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 26 2021, @05:35PM (#1149694)

                That's exactly what she said!

            • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Saturday June 26 2021, @07:02PM

              by fustakrakich (6150) on Saturday June 26 2021, @07:02PM (#1149714) Journal

              Really, Dale Earnhardt would've gotten the electric chair...

              --
              La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
    • (Score: 5, Insightful) by helel on Friday June 25 2021, @10:58PM (29 children)

      by helel (2949) on Friday June 25 2021, @10:58PM (#1149376)

      Yes, we're all concerned about a repeat of the January 6th crowd. Without help from the executive branch, however, their reach will be far less so I think it's safe to remain calm for the time being.

      --
      Republican Patriotism [youtube.com]
      • (Score: 2, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Friday June 25 2021, @11:08PM (28 children)

        by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Friday June 25 2021, @11:08PM (#1149381) Homepage Journal

        There were no fires in Washington on Jan 6th, unless someone had a barrel fire going to keep warm. Your partisanship is showing. BLM and Antifa set fires, not Trump supporters.

        --
        "no more than 8 bullets in a round" - Joe Biden
        • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 26 2021, @12:41AM (10 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 26 2021, @12:41AM (#1149424)
          Why would they burn down the building while they were searching inside of it for the people they wanted to execute?
          • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 26 2021, @01:23AM (9 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 26 2021, @01:23AM (#1149448)

            Why would they burn down the building while they were searching inside of it for the people they wanted to execute?

            I think you're crediting them with more intelligence than they demonstrated. We usually call people who livestream themselves committing crimes and bragging about it on social media "dumb as week-old dog shit."

            • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 26 2021, @01:48AM (8 children)

              by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 26 2021, @01:48AM (#1149458)
              You'll have no problem getting me to agree that they're stupid, I mean they attempted to execute a 'stop the steal' plan that smarter people pointed out to them LONG before the 6th could not work. However, they were in the building trying to find specific people... targets, and that's a different mission than vandalism. The reason he's trying to draw attention to the 'setting fires' bit is because he's trying to distract you away from a rather damning detail about how the pro-Trump crowd acted that day.
              • (Score: 1, Flamebait) by khallow on Saturday June 26 2021, @02:45AM (7 children)

                by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Saturday June 26 2021, @02:45AM (#1149475) Journal

                However, they were in the building trying to find specific people... targets,

                Do you have evidence of this? I remain interested in your choice of hill to die on.

                • (Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 26 2021, @03:21AM (6 children)

                  by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 26 2021, @03:21AM (#1149485)

                  https://www.revolt.tv/news/2021/1/10/22223599/capitol-rioters-hunting-mike-pence-nancy-pelosi [revolt.tv]

                  Their intentions were clear no matter where you move the goal posts.

                  • (Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday June 26 2021, @03:25AM (5 children)

                    by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Saturday June 26 2021, @03:25AM (#1149486) Journal

                    Their intentions were clear no matter where you move the goal posts.

                    In other words, some chanting and a fake gallows. So do you have evidence to go with that?

                    • (Score: 2, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 26 2021, @03:31AM (4 children)

                      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 26 2021, @03:31AM (#1149488)

                      I have already given you more evidence than you'd need were the political lines flipped. You got evidence they were there performing a bake sale for charity?

                      • (Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday June 26 2021, @03:52AM (3 children)

                        by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Saturday June 26 2021, @03:52AM (#1149492) Journal

                        I have already given you more evidence than you'd need were the political lines flipped.

                        Like with certain protests/riots in Portland, Oregon and Washington, DC from last year? You don't get my political line. It hasn't flipped.

                        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 26 2021, @04:25AM (2 children)

                          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 26 2021, @04:25AM (#1149505)

                          Like with certain protests/riots in Portland, Oregon and Washington, DC from last year?

                          "They weren't trying to violently overthrow the government but they're exactly like a group of people I imagine want to violently overthrow the government." lol

                          • (Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday June 26 2021, @12:08PM (1 child)

                            by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Saturday June 26 2021, @12:08PM (#1149595) Journal

                            "They weren't trying to violently overthrow the government but they're exactly like a group of people I imagine want to violently overthrow the government."

                            Indeed. Because I don't view either group as trying to violently overthrow the government. Here's [soylentnews.org] my evidence why I believe that. My view is that as long as your argument consists solely of chants and shoddy stage props, it's not evidence because it doesn't distinguish between the alleged "violent overthrow" of government and a protest.

                            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 26 2021, @03:29PM

                              by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 26 2021, @03:29PM (#1149657)

                              Oh please, that was a display of accidental honesty written in a haste to respond and you know it. We've all seen the footage, we know why they were there because, like you, a bunch of people talked just a little too much.

        • (Score: 5, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 26 2021, @12:42AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 26 2021, @12:42AM (#1149425)
        • (Score: 5, Insightful) by helel on Saturday June 26 2021, @12:58AM (15 children)

          by helel (2949) on Saturday June 26 2021, @12:58AM (#1149431)

          I really hope some day you take a step back and think real hard about whether or not terrorists trying to overturn an election should be a partisan issue.

          --
          Republican Patriotism [youtube.com]
          • (Score: 1, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Saturday June 26 2021, @01:13AM (14 children)

            by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Saturday June 26 2021, @01:13AM (#1149442) Homepage Journal

            That is a remote possibility. The longer partisan left/dem/progressives defend the violence in Portland and other cities around the nation, the less likely that is to happen.

            Democrats actually FUNDED that violence, sending funds to rioters so they could post bail.

            And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Matthew 7:3

            --
            "no more than 8 bullets in a round" - Joe Biden
            • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday June 26 2021, @01:41AM (11 children)

              by Azuma Hazuki (5086) Subscriber Badge on Saturday June 26 2021, @01:41AM (#1149456) Journal

              Tell me something, was the Portland violence an attempt to overthrow the Constitution and lawfully-elected incoming government of the entire country?

              No?

              That's what the fuck I thought. Christ, you gun-fellating nutjobs are insane. You speak of the Constitution as if it were the fourth person of the holy trinity but then take every possible opportunity to wipe your asses on it. You are an embarrassment to every REAL soldier, seaman, marine, and air force pilot who has ever served or will ever serve.

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              • (Score: 0, Troll) by khallow on Saturday June 26 2021, @02:52AM (2 children)

                by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Saturday June 26 2021, @02:52AM (#1149476) Journal

                Tell me something, was the Portland violence an attempt to overthrow the Constitution and lawfully-elected incoming government of the entire country?

                Maybe. What were the intentions of the people involved?

                • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday June 26 2021, @03:03AM

                  by Azuma Hazuki (5086) Subscriber Badge on Saturday June 26 2021, @03:03AM (#1149479) Journal

                  Ask Runaway, since he seems to know their intentions :) Kinda hard to overthrow the government when you're ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FUCKING COUNTRY FROM THE CAPITOL THOUGH. Just a thought...!

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                  I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
                • (Score: 2, Insightful) by aristarchus on Saturday June 26 2021, @08:45AM

                  by aristarchus (2645) on Saturday June 26 2021, @08:45AM (#1149559) Journal

                  khallow, you ignorant Knut! (Qhat was it that Dan Akroyd used to call Jane Curtin? Not politically correct, but fits the khallow to a tee.)

              • (Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 26 2021, @03:14AM (2 children)

                by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 26 2021, @03:14AM (#1149482)

                Got a good friend in Portland. She's telling me that protesting anything at the drop of a hat is Portland-normal.

                >Christ, you gun-fellating nutjobs are insane.

                9/11 veteran here. How many deployments have you had?

                >You speak of the Constitution as if it were the fourth person of the holy trinity

                Separation of Church and State. Try again.

                >but then take every possible opportunity to wipe your asses on it.
                You sound CCP.

                >You are an embarrassment to every REAL soldier, seaman, marine, and air force pilot who has ever served or will ever serve.
                My HFP(Hostile Fire Pay) was $3 a day under Operation Southern Watch.

                Hey, internet tough girl, what happens when you get outed as a dumbass? AGAIN???

                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 26 2021, @06:19AM

                  by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 26 2021, @06:19AM (#1149523)

                  ?????

                  Seriously, did you have any point? All I see is impitent rage without a grounding point.

                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 27 2021, @07:46AM

                  by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 27 2021, @07:46AM (#1149888)

                  Try again liar. HFP was not $3 a day during Operation Southern Watch. In fact, it has never been $3 a day, according to the DoD.

              • (Score: 1, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Saturday June 26 2021, @11:11AM (2 children)

                by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Saturday June 26 2021, @11:11AM (#1149585) Homepage Journal

                CHOP/CHAZ yadda yadda yadda. Yes, your anarchists most definitely were overthrowing constitutional authority. Yes, the 'Murican Left routinely wipe their asses with the constitution. Thanks for playing though. Portland was little different than Seattle's CHAZ. The anarchists and asswipes simply ran into more determined resistance.

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                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 28 2021, @12:31PM (1 child)

                  by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 28 2021, @12:31PM (#1150298)

                  LOL, you're a fucking clown runaway. If you had a spine, you'd be an anarchist too, or at least a sovereign whackjob. Instead, you swallow the cock of the authoritarian nanny state like it was manna from heaven, then try to act all tsundere like you wish you could Lewinski Biden.

                  • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Monday June 28 2021, @12:47PM

                    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Monday June 28 2021, @12:47PM (#1150301) Homepage Journal

                    authoritarian nanny state

                    Strange. You've confused the CTRL-Left with basically everything else. Are you even sentient? You can't even keep the sound-bytes and talking points straight.

                    --
                    "no more than 8 bullets in a round" - Joe Biden
              • (Score: 3, Touché) by epitaxial on Saturday June 26 2021, @07:39PM (1 child)

                by epitaxial (3165) on Saturday June 26 2021, @07:39PM (#1149724)

                If only Ashli Babbit had simply complied with the lawful orders of the police...

                • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Monday June 28 2021, @12:52PM

                  by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Monday June 28 2021, @12:52PM (#1150303) Homepage Journal

                  I'm not big on that whole "compliance" thing. But, Ashli went too damned far. Whatever crimes others may or may not have committed on Jan 6, Ashli was actively breaking and entering into a secured space, with some number of elected officials sheltering inside. Ashli, as much as anyone, maybe more than anyone, gives credence to that whole "insurrection" story that the left is promoting. It is easy to argue that if Ashli had been permitted inside, she would have been followed by more people, who would actually have attacked those officials inside.

                  Babbit pretty much got what she deserved.

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            • (Score: 5, Insightful) by helel on Saturday June 26 2021, @01:54AM (1 child)

              by helel (2949) on Saturday June 26 2021, @01:54AM (#1149461)

              Lets pretend for a moment that it's the protesters, rather than the police [aljazeera.com], that have killed three people a day for the past year. Even if that were true there is a world of difference between demanding a murderer stand accountable for their actions and trying to overthrow the democratic process.

              The former might be distasteful if you feel killing humans should be legalized but the laters is a direct attempt to destroy our constitution.

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              • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Monday June 28 2021, @01:02PM

                by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Monday June 28 2021, @01:02PM (#1150307) Homepage Journal

                3 people a day. If that is accurate, I'm amazed at such a low number. That includes carjackers, bank robbers, rapists, mass shooters, robbers, and other violent offenders, I presume? 10, or even 20 people per day wouldn't surprise me one bit, to be honest.

                No, I'm not defending the police for every shooting. Cops are often too quick to shoot, and often enough the shooting is unjustified. But, 3 people per day, in a nation of 350 million? Whoop-ti-do.

                Let's be more discriminating, and only prosecute and convict the bad cops. That, and break that "thin blue line" mentality, that pits cops against the world. Fuck the thin blue line - I want cops who are responsible. I want cops who want to send EVERYONE home safely at the end of the day - including petty criminals, and even more serious criminals who don't threaten anyone's lives.

                The color of someone's skin should have zero bearing on how he is treated, either by the cops, or by the community.

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                "no more than 8 bullets in a round" - Joe Biden
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