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posted by n1 on Saturday November 14 2015, @01:00AM   Printer-friendly

France has declared a national state of emergency and has closed its borders after at least 40 people were killed in multiple shootings in Paris.

At least 15 people were killed near the Bataclan arts centre, where up to 60 people are being held hostage. Explosions and gunfire are reported.

Three people were killed in an attack near the Stade de France, with some reports suggesting a suicide blast.

Paris authorities have urged people to stay indoors.

Military personnel are being deployed across Paris.

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/11/13/455943961/violence-reported-in-paris
http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/13/world/paris-shooting/index.html

Update #1 [BBC updates]:

Scores of people have been killed in multiple gun and bomb attacks in Paris

At least 100 people are reported to have died inside the Bataclan concert hall in central Paris

Others died in attacks near the Stade de France, where France were playing Germany, and at restaurants

France has declared a national state of emergency and has closed its borders

Paris residents have been asked to stay indoors and military personnel are being deployed across the city

[...] Reuters. quoting an un-named official at Paris City Hall, says the current death toll in Paris is around 140.

Update #2:

According to the Paris prosecutor, of the four assailants who died during the sidge at the Bataclan, three committed suicide by detonating explosive vests. The prosecutor has warned that some of their accomplices may "still be on the loose".

[...] Here is what French president François Hollande told reporters outside the Bataclan concert hall just now: "To all those who have seen these awful things, I want to say we are going to lead a war which will be pitiless. Because when terrorists are capable of committing such atrocities they must be certain that they are facing a determined France, a united France, a France that is together and does not let itself be moved, even if today we express infinite sorrow."


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  • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Saturday November 14 2015, @07:26PM

    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Saturday November 14 2015, @07:26PM (#263406) Journal

    And, where did you pull that 99.9% figure from? Your ass, of course. BTW - the "innocents" are not as innocent as you would like to believe. People are sending various kinds of support to the terrorists. Some of the terror organizations are awash in cash. Imams around the world are telling their followers that they should send donations to this or that terror group. That increases the number of terrorists by an order of magnitude, at leas.

    And, when you get down to it, you still haven't explained how Islam and Sharia law are compatible with any other religion, government, or justice system in the world. Fact is, Islam is INCOMPATIBLE with any other civilization or culture in existence today.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 14 2015, @07:49PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 14 2015, @07:49PM (#263421)

    > And, where did you pull that 99.9% figure from?

    It is a figure of speech. You are welcome, encouraged, in fact demanded to prove otherwise. If that's not an accurate representation then lets see you come up with a number that does meet your high standard of accuracy. Otherwise quit running your mouth.

    > you still haven't explained how Islam and Sharia law are compatible with any other religion,

    Really? Those lines of scripture weren't enough for you?

    Oh I get it, you are just running in circles. The religion is compatible, except what the scriptures says, oh the people are incompatible except what the people actually do, oh the minority is incompatible because the minority defines the majorty, oh the religion is incompatible execpt what the scriptures say....

    • (Score: 3, Informative) by Runaway1956 on Saturday November 14 2015, @08:16PM

      by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Saturday November 14 2015, @08:16PM (#263432) Journal

      Circles? Yeah, maybe. Once again, the religion and political structure are composed of PEOPLE. We have our own documents, which include the constitution of the United States. Our elected officials claim to support and/or represent that document, but so many of those officials desecrate that document with every breath they take. Bush and Cheney for example.

      You want a quote on the number of incompatible Muslims? Take your pick -

      http://www.jihadwatch.org/2004/08/muslim-american-activist-fifty-percent-of-muslims-worldwide-support-extremists [jihadwatch.org]

      http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/opinion-polls.htm [thereligionofpeace.com]

      The site most agreeable to your claim says that 7 percent of Muslims support extremists:
      https://encounteringislam.org/misconceptions [encounteringislam.org]

      Then again, maybe the results vary with how the question is posed:
      http://www.westernjournalism.com/shocking-new-study-reveals-just-how-many-muslims-support-isis-and-its-frightening/ [westernjournalism.com]

      And, at the end of the day, logic and rationalism plays little if any role in the debate. Islam plays on poeple's fears, superstitions, and lack of education. Much of Islam denies education to women, and restricts the education of men, for a reason. The uneducated and ignorant are much more malleable than educated and sophisticated people. The Catholic church knew that, and capitalized on it for hundreds of years.

      Islam is incompatible with English Common Law, Napoleonic Law, the Code of Hammurabi, Roman or Greek law - every legal system known to the western world. Islam is incompatible with every form of government that the western world has ever experimented with. Incompatible. One has to choose to be blind to fail to understand that.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 14 2015, @09:33PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 14 2015, @09:33PM (#263459)

        > Circles? Yeah, maybe.

        No, definitely. I can't believe you wrote that and still went on to do it.

        > You want a quote on the number of incompatible Muslims?

        Nice pivot from harming someone to "support for extremism"

        First off, numbers for actually harming someone - murder rate in the US 5 per 100,000, in Indonesia the largest muslim country 1 per 100,000. Turks, Egyptans, Malayasians 2-4 per 100,000. Catholic Brazil 15+ per 100,000, Catholic Venezuela 50+ per 100,000.

        1 per 100,000 that works out to 99.998%
        http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/02/15/no-islam-isn-t-inherently-violent-and-the-math-proves-it.html [thedailybeast.com]

        Now to address your pivot, what you left out are comparisons.

        Bombing and other attacks intentionally aimed at civilians:
        Americans: 46% never justified
        5 largest muslim countries: 74-86% never justified
        http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0223/p09s01-coop.html [csmonitor.com]

        When is it justified for individuals or small groups to target and kill civilans
        Israel: 73% never justified
        Palestine: 84% never justified
        http://media.gallup.com/poll/graphs/MideastViolence010808Graph4.gif [gallup.com]

        When is it justified for the military to target and kill civilians:
        American Muslims: 78% never, 21% sometimes
        American Protestants: 38% never, 58% sometimes

        When is it justified for small groups to target and kill civlians?
        American Muslims: 89% never, 11% sometimes
        American Protestants: 71% never, 26% sometimes
        http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/08/a-fascinating-look-at-the-political-views-of-muslim-americans/242975/ [theatlantic.com]

        So even by your very own criteria, islam is more compatible than you are. Time for you to save the world and convert.

        > And, at the end of the day, logic and rationalism plays little if any role in the debate.

        you know yourself so well.

        > Islam is incompatible...

        blah blah blah more proof by assertion. All that is you wishing as hard as you can for something that isn't true. Because if you are wrong you'd have to face some harsh realities about yourself.

        • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Saturday November 14 2015, @09:43PM

          by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Saturday November 14 2015, @09:43PM (#263465) Journal

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deera_Square [wikipedia.org]

          The worst excesses of the Christian religion, from all of history, distilled, and carried out on a weekly basis. All the worst crimes of Judaism, ditto. Plus, perhaps, all of the worst of Hinduism. Sanctimonious and fearful superstitious fools, murdering people by the scores and the hundreds, to protect their false beliefs in some crazy moon god. And, they will kill every man, woman, and child on earth to protect their belief.

          It is incompatible with any other way of life.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 14 2015, @10:23PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 14 2015, @10:23PM (#263480)

            Lol. You are such a cliche. "Moon god" lololol.

            Yeah public executions. What other country executes people? Oh yeah.

            You could not have made a stronger capitulation as to the emptiness of your arguments if you had just stood up like a man said you were wrong.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 14 2015, @10:26PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 14 2015, @10:26PM (#263482)

    Well, 99.999, if you have 1 billion people who are muslim, that would mean 999,990,000 are non-violent normal people going about their lives, like you do. 10,000 are violent extremists.
    I doubt there are that many violent [muslim] extremists actually. Like all those ISIS/ISIL people, they don't really seem to have any interest in islam, and more seem like those warlords or child soldier armies that run around in africa.

    • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Sunday November 15 2015, @05:03AM

      by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Sunday November 15 2015, @05:03AM (#263562) Journal

      If that be true - then why has Islam not crushed those war lords for defaming the real Islam? And, where do those dirt poor war lords get the weapons used to torture, rape and kill their fellow Africans? I suggest that the rest of Islam is quite happy to see those apostates punishing the infidels. That whole "enemy of mine enemy" thing, with Chrisians, Hindus, animists, and the worshippers of other gods being the greater enemy.