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posted by n1 on Saturday November 14 2015, @01:00AM   Printer-friendly

France has declared a national state of emergency and has closed its borders after at least 40 people were killed in multiple shootings in Paris.

At least 15 people were killed near the Bataclan arts centre, where up to 60 people are being held hostage. Explosions and gunfire are reported.

Three people were killed in an attack near the Stade de France, with some reports suggesting a suicide blast.

Paris authorities have urged people to stay indoors.

Military personnel are being deployed across Paris.

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/11/13/455943961/violence-reported-in-paris
http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/13/world/paris-shooting/index.html

Update #1 [BBC updates]:

Scores of people have been killed in multiple gun and bomb attacks in Paris

At least 100 people are reported to have died inside the Bataclan concert hall in central Paris

Others died in attacks near the Stade de France, where France were playing Germany, and at restaurants

France has declared a national state of emergency and has closed its borders

Paris residents have been asked to stay indoors and military personnel are being deployed across the city

[...] Reuters. quoting an un-named official at Paris City Hall, says the current death toll in Paris is around 140.

Update #2:

According to the Paris prosecutor, of the four assailants who died during the sidge at the Bataclan, three committed suicide by detonating explosive vests. The prosecutor has warned that some of their accomplices may "still be on the loose".

[...] Here is what French president François Hollande told reporters outside the Bataclan concert hall just now: "To all those who have seen these awful things, I want to say we are going to lead a war which will be pitiless. Because when terrorists are capable of committing such atrocities they must be certain that they are facing a determined France, a united France, a France that is together and does not let itself be moved, even if today we express infinite sorrow."


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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 14 2015, @09:33PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 14 2015, @09:33PM (#263459)

    > Circles? Yeah, maybe.

    No, definitely. I can't believe you wrote that and still went on to do it.

    > You want a quote on the number of incompatible Muslims?

    Nice pivot from harming someone to "support for extremism"

    First off, numbers for actually harming someone - murder rate in the US 5 per 100,000, in Indonesia the largest muslim country 1 per 100,000. Turks, Egyptans, Malayasians 2-4 per 100,000. Catholic Brazil 15+ per 100,000, Catholic Venezuela 50+ per 100,000.

    1 per 100,000 that works out to 99.998%
    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/02/15/no-islam-isn-t-inherently-violent-and-the-math-proves-it.html [thedailybeast.com]

    Now to address your pivot, what you left out are comparisons.

    Bombing and other attacks intentionally aimed at civilians:
    Americans: 46% never justified
    5 largest muslim countries: 74-86% never justified
    http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0223/p09s01-coop.html [csmonitor.com]

    When is it justified for individuals or small groups to target and kill civilans
    Israel: 73% never justified
    Palestine: 84% never justified
    http://media.gallup.com/poll/graphs/MideastViolence010808Graph4.gif [gallup.com]

    When is it justified for the military to target and kill civilians:
    American Muslims: 78% never, 21% sometimes
    American Protestants: 38% never, 58% sometimes

    When is it justified for small groups to target and kill civlians?
    American Muslims: 89% never, 11% sometimes
    American Protestants: 71% never, 26% sometimes
    http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/08/a-fascinating-look-at-the-political-views-of-muslim-americans/242975/ [theatlantic.com]

    So even by your very own criteria, islam is more compatible than you are. Time for you to save the world and convert.

    > And, at the end of the day, logic and rationalism plays little if any role in the debate.

    you know yourself so well.

    > Islam is incompatible...

    blah blah blah more proof by assertion. All that is you wishing as hard as you can for something that isn't true. Because if you are wrong you'd have to face some harsh realities about yourself.

  • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Saturday November 14 2015, @09:43PM

    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Saturday November 14 2015, @09:43PM (#263465) Journal

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deera_Square [wikipedia.org]

    The worst excesses of the Christian religion, from all of history, distilled, and carried out on a weekly basis. All the worst crimes of Judaism, ditto. Plus, perhaps, all of the worst of Hinduism. Sanctimonious and fearful superstitious fools, murdering people by the scores and the hundreds, to protect their false beliefs in some crazy moon god. And, they will kill every man, woman, and child on earth to protect their belief.

    It is incompatible with any other way of life.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 14 2015, @10:23PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 14 2015, @10:23PM (#263480)

      Lol. You are such a cliche. "Moon god" lololol.

      Yeah public executions. What other country executes people? Oh yeah.

      You could not have made a stronger capitulation as to the emptiness of your arguments if you had just stood up like a man said you were wrong.