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France has declared a national state of emergency and has closed its borders after at least 40 people were killed in multiple shootings in Paris.
At least 15 people were killed near the Bataclan arts centre, where up to 60 people are being held hostage. Explosions and gunfire are reported.
Three people were killed in an attack near the Stade de France, with some reports suggesting a suicide blast.
Paris authorities have urged people to stay indoors.
Military personnel are being deployed across Paris.
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/11/13/455943961/violence-reported-in-paris
http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/13/world/paris-shooting/index.html
Update #1 [BBC updates]:
Scores of people have been killed in multiple gun and bomb attacks in Paris
At least 100 people are reported to have died inside the Bataclan concert hall in central Paris
Others died in attacks near the Stade de France, where France were playing Germany, and at restaurants
France has declared a national state of emergency and has closed its borders
Paris residents have been asked to stay indoors and military personnel are being deployed across the city
[...] Reuters. quoting an un-named official at Paris City Hall, says the current death toll in Paris is around 140.
According to the Paris prosecutor, of the four assailants who died during the sidge at the Bataclan, three committed suicide by detonating explosive vests. The prosecutor has warned that some of their accomplices may "still be on the loose".
[...] Here is what French president François Hollande told reporters outside the Bataclan concert hall just now: "To all those who have seen these awful things, I want to say we are going to lead a war which will be pitiless. Because when terrorists are capable of committing such atrocities they must be certain that they are facing a determined France, a united France, a France that is together and does not let itself be moved, even if today we express infinite sorrow."
(Score: 2) by Hairyfeet on Sunday November 15 2015, @01:44PM
For your education, and what would have happened if Hitler had won, Himmler on religion [worldfuturefund.org] including speeches and audio recordings with translation. Allow me to highlight one excerpt.."We will have to deal with Christianity in a tougher way than hitherto. We must settle accounts with this Christianity, this greatest of plagues that could have happened to us in our history, which has weakened us in every conflict. If our generation does not do it then it would I think drag on for a long time. We must overcome it within ourselves. "
Yep sounds like a lover of Christ to me, uh huh.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 15 2015, @03:08PM
> We must settle accounts with this Christianity,
>
>Yep sounds like a lover of Christ to me, uh huh.
As already mentioned they didn't like some parts of christianity, they were pushing their own sect. [wikipedia.org] That is the way it is done, nothing unique to the nazis.
(Score: 2) by vux984 on Sunday November 15 2015, @09:02PM
Yes Himmler was fascinated with Hinduism, and yes Himmler made some speeches. Himmler also had lots of enemies within the party. To credit all of Nazi Germany or even the Nazi party as sharing his personal religious views and vision for the future is a gross over statement.
Nazi Germany including Hitler himself was overwhelmingly Catholic. It's absurd to claim you know what would have happened if they'd won. But I think its pretty doubtful millions of Germans including most of the Nazi party leadership would have all simply gone along with abandoning their faith just because Himmler said so. Its far more likely that if the Nazi's won, with Rome under Nazi control, that a Nazi sympathizer would have been installed as Pope.
(Score: 2) by Hairyfeet on Monday November 16 2015, @05:05AM
Good Lord you aren't gonna accept your wrongness are you? Well you want me to wallpaper the place with Hitler quotes on religion? Really not a problem..
"We demand freedom for all religious confessions in the state, insofar as they do not endanger its existence or conflict with the customs and moral sentiments of the Germanic race. The party as such represents the standpoint of a positive Christianity, without owing itself to a particular confession...." that is from the fricking NSDAP handbook.
"As long as leadership from above was not lacking, the people fulfilled their duty and obligation overwhelmingly. Whether Protestant pastor or Catholic priest, both together and particularly at the first flare, there really existed in both camps but a single holy German Reich, for whose existence and future each man turned to his own heaven." Mein Kampf Vol 1 Chap 1...sounds like he wants his OWN religion based on Germany NOT any particular official religion to me..more? Might want to look at his views on propaganda, aka lie your ass off to get folks on board..
"To whom should propaganda be addressed? … It must be addressed always and exclusively to the masses… The function of propaganda does not lie in the scientific training of the individual, but in calling the masses' attention to certain facts, processes, necessities, etc., whose significance is thus for the first time placed within their field of vision. The whole art consists in doing this so skilfully that everyone will be convinced that the fact is real, the process necessary, the necessity correct, etc. But since propaganda is not and cannot be the necessity in itself … its effect for the most part must be aimed at the emotions and only to a very limited degree at the so-called intellect… it's soundness is to be measured exclusively by its effective result". (Main Kampf, Vol 1, Ch 6 and Ch 12) Let us not forget this was the guy that swore up and down Germany only wanted peace with France...right up until he rolled the tanks. I think we have more than enough evidence that what he sold the masses and what he actually believed was two totally different things...More?
"As a human being it is my duty to see to it that humanity will not suffer the same catastrophic collapse as did that old civilization two thousand years ago, a civilization which was driven to its ruin by the Jews. . . I am convinced that I am really a devil and not a Christian if I do not feel compassion and do not wage war, as Christ did two thousand years ago, against those who are steeling and exploiting these poverty-stricken people."...that is from a speech waaay back in 1922, even back then it sounds like he was simply using the old "Jews killed Christ" routine to get the people on his side for a genocide. Might want to look up "The stab in the back" to see why as a soldier of Germany, regardless of religion, he HATED Jews with a passion, because it was "common knowledge" that the Germans were gonna "win the war" but Jewish bankers stabbed them in the back.
Sorry but we have more than enough evidence that the Nazi leadership gave not a single fuck about ANY religion except when it could be used to further the goals of the state. It was made clear that the "morality of the state" would have been controlled by Himmler and the SS and he certainly had no fucks to give about Christianity, and the rest of the leadership only cared as much as it would fall in line with their already chosen goals. Again if a church leader said "this is wrong"? Well his ass could get in the camp next to the Jew, they had ZERO respect or compassion for anybody just because they were one religion or another.
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(Score: 2) by vux984 on Monday November 16 2015, @09:20PM
.sounds like he wants his OWN religion based on Germany
Of course they did; it even has its own name.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positive_Christianity [wikipedia.org]
That's par for the course with any nutjob extremist; start by defining the way religion 'ought' to be; then declare that everyone who disagrees is interpreting it wrong.
That's not a Nazi rejection of Christianity any more than ISIS is rejecting Islam today.
Both did the same damned thing, took the parts they needed/wanted, downplayed or reinterpreted anything that didn't match the propaganda. Kill anyone who didn't get on board.
The context of this argument is ISIS relationship with Islam. And its the same as the Nazi relationship with Christianity. You can't declare on one hand that the Nazi's hated Christianity because they inveted their own pro-German racist version of it and then started killing priests who didn't think it was right while at the same time declare that Islam is the root problem with ISIS... when ISIS did the same thing: they made distorted version of it, declared everyone else wrong, including other Muslims and then started the killing; fully justified by their distortion of their religion.
Its exactly the same thing.
Good Lord you aren't gonna accept your wrongness are you?
Not when I'm not wrong.
Tell you what, though I'll concede the Nazi's hated Christianity by their actions; if you concede that ISIS hates Islam by their equivalent actions.
Because I don't care whether you you call what they did as:
a) 'pro-their-own-relgion' (because they both took their religion and integrated it with their propaganda)
or
b) 'anti-their-own-religion' (because they both took their religion and grossly distorted it to serve their propaganda)
as long as you call it the same thing for both groups.
(And we surely agree that both groups are anti-other-peoples-religion.)
(Score: 2) by Hairyfeet on Tuesday November 17 2015, @01:34AM
Its off the front page so nobody is gonna read this therefor I do not care to continue this conversation, goodbye.
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