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posted by takyon on Wednesday January 27 2016, @11:00AM   Printer-friendly
from the i-fought-the-law-and... dept.

Previously: Militia Occupies Federal Building in Oregon After Rancher Arson Convictions

Russia Today reports:

Ammon Bundy, the leader of the armed group occupying a federal wildlife refuge near Burns, Oregon, and four others have been arrested by law enforcement amid gunfire, according to the FBI.

At 4:25 pm on [January 26], the FBI and Oregon State Police "began an enforcement action to bring into custody a number of individuals associated with the armed occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge. During that arrest, there were shots fired", the Bureau said in a statement.

The FBI said one person who was "a subject of a federal probable cause arrest is deceased". He said they are not releasing any information on the person "pending identification by the medical examiner's office".

One person suffered non-life threatening injuries and was taken to a local hospital for treatment. He was arrested and is in custody.

The arrested individuals include:
- Ammon Edward Bundy, age 40, of Emmett, Idaho.
- Ryan C. Bundy, age 43, of Bunkerville, Nevada.
- Brian Cavalier, age 44, of Bunkerville, Nevada.
- Shawna Cox, age 59, of Kanab, Utah.
- Ryan Waylen Payne, age 32, of Anaconda, Montana.

CNN, NYT, Washington Post, BBC, OregonLive.


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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Vanderhoth on Wednesday January 27 2016, @12:28PM

    by Vanderhoth (61) on Wednesday January 27 2016, @12:28PM (#295242)

    I have to wonder if this is real or if it's the journalist getting fed some line from a troll, or if the journalist is making things up. Googling "Kelly Gneiting" brings up a ton of stuff about a fat athlete (seriously he's a sumo and the heaviest person to ever complete a marathon apparently.)

    You can't trust journalist these days, they'll print whatever pushes the narrative they want to be true. As an example my sister is an animal control officer, every time there's a dog attack you can be sure the media will print it as Pitbull attack. If they're wrong they quietly correct it later, but by the time that's happened ten's of thousands of people have already seen the original story and people don't go back to re-read it afterwards.

    There's tons of examples of journalist being tricked into printing things from trolls on the net then refusing to admit they were fooled, blaming others for their own lack of fact checking or quietly updating the story later and pretending it never happened.

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  • (Score: 5, Informative) by ilPapa on Wednesday January 27 2016, @01:02PM

    by ilPapa (2366) on Wednesday January 27 2016, @01:02PM (#295250) Journal

    The statement is from Ammon Bundy and he sent it out via social media. It's not a liberal media conspiracy.

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    • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 27 2016, @01:52PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 27 2016, @01:52PM (#295271)

      Vandy is just exercising a healthy skepticism because reality has a well-known liberal bias. You just can trust reality.

      • (Score: 2) by Vanderhoth on Wednesday January 27 2016, @02:23PM

        by Vanderhoth (61) on Wednesday January 27 2016, @02:23PM (#295286)

        I actually am liberal, it doesn't mean I automatically believe everything I read, but I'm not really sure how this has anything to do with politics though.

        I've seen some pretty sensationalized exaggerations printed and things made up or plucked from twitter to support click bait that was right out false. Is it more acceptable to believe a journalists opinions (which can be mixed in, conflated and indistinguishable from the facts) because that journalists is a "liberal"?

        Seriously just google "Kelly Gneiting" (the guy quoted), the only results I got back were for a guy that's a sumo wrestling athlete, and reading his twitter feed and other articles quoting him it doesn't seem like something he would say. So it COULD be another "Kelly Gneiting", but it's just as likely the journalist was duped into printing something because it made the people that take an opposite position to them look like back water country bumpkins.

        All I'm doing is pointing out there's a possibility no one actually said that, and I'm fully willing to accept I could just be being overly cautions and wrong.

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        • (Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 27 2016, @02:27PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 27 2016, @02:27PM (#295287)

          > I actually am liberal,

          Keep telling yourself that bud. At best you are alt-right.

          > Seriously just google "Kelly Gneiting"

          When seeking to verify the authenticity of a quote you should google the quote not the author because people tend to say a lot of things in the course of their lives. Your attempt to rationalize making stupid assumptions is not doing you any favors.

          • (Score: 2) by ikanreed on Wednesday January 27 2016, @03:09PM

            by ikanreed (3164) on Wednesday January 27 2016, @03:09PM (#295326) Journal

            Dude, don't ideology police.

            Our "side" is chock full of disingenuous, conspiracy-mongering idiots too. They notably aren't front runners for president or staging armed takeovers of wildlife sanctuaries, but they're real, they're common, and on many things they agree with us(gasp).

            • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 27 2016, @04:00PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 27 2016, @04:00PM (#295365)

              > Dude, don't ideology police.

              Have you read his posting history? He a "LINO." Like that guy who always trots out the fact that 30+ years ago he was in greenpeace (which he only joined to get laid) as proof of being a libural. Come to think of it, I haven't seen that story reposted for a while, maybe whoever that guy is realized how transparent that was.

              • (Score: 2) by ikanreed on Wednesday January 27 2016, @04:14PM

                by ikanreed (3164) on Wednesday January 27 2016, @04:14PM (#295374) Journal

                Fair enough.

              • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Vanderhoth on Wednesday January 27 2016, @05:35PM

                by Vanderhoth (61) on Wednesday January 27 2016, @05:35PM (#295423)

                So you're only allowed to have liberal beliefs if you're willing to swallow the bullshit spoon and all.

                "No room for questioning here, get back in line citizen"

                If anything, I'd say you're likely a conservative extremist here pretending to be liberal while acting like an ass to make moderates less sympathetic to progressive views. If not, you're doing a damn fine job of chasing moderates away.

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              • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Phoenix666 on Thursday January 28 2016, @01:44AM

                by Phoenix666 (552) on Thursday January 28 2016, @01:44AM (#295703) Journal

                Well, there are many shades of ideology, and it's possible to move through them throughout your life as experience leads you to different conclusions. Consider, also, that the definition of those labels morphs a heck of a lot over the time scale of a human life. "liberal" after WWII described Milton Friedman and his fellows who wore the label as a counter-point to FDR's social welfare policies. Today most people would call Milton Friedman to the right of Jamie Dimon.

                But ikanreed is right. There are lots of shades of crazy on the left, too. I used to be a member of the Green Party and there was this radical vegan lady in the local chapter who tried to strongarm every meeting into centrally revolving around protests against meat. Anytime everyone else, and it was really everyone else, tried to talk about something not related to diet, she would scream "fascist" and throw tantrums. Then there was the nebbishy guy who did the same thing, but about pesticide spraying against the West Nile virus mosquito.

                Even then, though, I believed firmly in the right to bear arms and had a very strong antipathy for big government, having grown up in the Rockies the way I had, which I'm sure would have caused them to lynch me.

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                Washington DC delenda est.
        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 27 2016, @02:37PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 27 2016, @02:37PM (#295293)

          Yeah, sure does sound out of character for Mr Guardians, Patriots and the “ALL of God” [independentamericanparty.org] Gneiting. He would never say God told him to do anything...

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 27 2016, @04:28PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 27 2016, @04:28PM (#295381)

          living in Oregon, there are plenty of soundbites and video footage in our media outlets by the occupiers saying just that, in their own words and voices.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 27 2016, @02:12PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 27 2016, @02:12PM (#295280)

    Yeah, such as everybody forgot that it was Putin who brokered Iran's nuke deal. Probably to bring down oil prices and his stolen wealth along with it, right?