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posted by takyon on Sunday June 12 2016, @06:00PM   Printer-friendly

A suspected Islamic terrorist opened fire at a gay nightclub in Florida, killing 50 people and wounding another 53 before he was killed by police. While authorities continue to investigate to determine whether this man had ties to ISIS, the terror organization has not been quiet in praising the attack. This comes three days after ISIS announced they would attack somewhere in Florida. Today's attack marks the largest act of terrorism on US soil since 9/11.

takyon: The gunman reportedly called 911 emergency services to pledge allegiance to ISIS. The President will hold a briefing momentarily. Compare this article to the original submission.


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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 12 2016, @07:35PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 12 2016, @07:35PM (#358797)

    Any kind of gun control will result in... only criminals having guns, while everyone else doesn't. I don't own one myself, don't need one.

  • (Score: 3, Funny) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday June 12 2016, @09:11PM

    You should. Otherwise you're shirking your moral obligation to aid in the defense against a tyrannical government. Which is why we're allowed guns in the first place.

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    My rights don't end where your fear begins.
    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 13 2016, @12:09AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 13 2016, @12:09AM (#358973)

      You should. Otherwise you're shirking your moral obligation to aid in the defense against a tyrannical government. Which is why we're allowed guns in the first place.

      Oooh, look at me! I don't own a gun and I most likely never will. I'm shirking my "moral obligation"! Look, Buzzard Breath, I've seen you extremist ammosexual types gradually drift from "it is my right to own a gun" to "you should own a gun too, or you are shirking your moral responsibility". It won't work. I will not be shamed into joining your cause. If you want to convince me that gun ownership is a moral imperative then, at the least, you will have to convince me that said gun ownership provides benefits to me and those around me. Right now, you have mostly convinced me that you and ammosexuals like yourself are dangerous fools who need to be disarmed. If you want to convince me then show me the benefits to you and your ammosexuial buddies having a weapon within easy reach. No doubt you will at some point trot out the tired canard "when seconds count, the police are just minutes away"; of course, this conveniently ignores the fact that you and your ammosexual buddies also seem to be only minutes away when seconds count. Frankly, I don't think having you and your ammosexual buddies armed is buying the rest of us much in the way of benefit and is creating many more headaches than it is worth. Just sayin'.

      • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday June 13 2016, @01:30AM

        Blah, blah, and also blah. You can either choose to exercise the power you've been given responsibly, irresponsibly, or you can stick your fingers in your ears and go lalalala. I guess we know which side of the fence you come down on. There is nothing good or right about throwing power away. The only good or right comes from using what you're given to do good.

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        My rights don't end where your fear begins.
        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 13 2016, @03:10AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 13 2016, @03:10AM (#359098)

          There is nothing good or right about throwing power away. The only good or right comes from using what you're given to do good.

          Whooosh!!! Frankly, you and your ammosexual buddies have not demonstrated all that much "good" for all the power you have been given. Just sayin'.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 13 2016, @12:49AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 13 2016, @12:49AM (#359000)

      It took me over 3 decades to "win" my first fight.

      I did so by kicking the leader hard enough to injure them.

      If I am afraid of maiming somebody, how the heck is a gun going to help?

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by number11 on Monday June 13 2016, @01:31AM

      by number11 (1170) Subscriber Badge on Monday June 13 2016, @01:31AM (#359026)

      you're shirking your moral obligation to aid in the defense against a tyrannical government.

      Where were your people when they rammed the "Patriot" act through? When they rounded up the Japanese-Americans? When they attacked Iraq under false pretenses? When Jim Crow was oppressing Blacks? Funny, the gun crowd could often be found cheering the government on.

      (I'm a gun owner. I don't have any illusions about the moral values of most gun owners.)

      • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday June 13 2016, @01:47AM

        Right here, asking "are you fucking insane?!" while you lot were screaming "save me, superman!". We're not here to hold your hands and keep you from throwing your rights away every time you're scared. We're here as a last resort.

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        My rights don't end where your fear begins.
    • (Score: 2) by Tork on Monday June 13 2016, @01:34AM

      by Tork (3914) Subscriber Badge on Monday June 13 2016, @01:34AM (#359031)
      Yeah, you lot have done a bang-up job protecting us so far.
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      • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday June 13 2016, @01:45AM

        You voted them in. We're here for when it becomes absolutely intolerable. Which it will within the next fifty years, I guarantee.

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        • (Score: 2) by Tork on Monday June 13 2016, @01:52AM

          by Tork (3914) Subscriber Badge on Monday June 13 2016, @01:52AM (#359046)
          Convenient.
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          • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday June 13 2016, @02:24AM

            Not really. I'll likely have to live through a few more decades of this garbage and never get to see the liberty on the other side. I'm doing all I can though and voting for the worst possible candidate for President every time. Thankfully plenty of people are stupid enough to do the same thinking they're voting correctly. Maybe it'll help speed things up and I'll get to live in a land of freedom again before I die of old age.

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            My rights don't end where your fear begins.
            • (Score: 2) by Tork on Monday June 13 2016, @02:38AM

              by Tork (3914) Subscriber Badge on Monday June 13 2016, @02:38AM (#359085)
              A classic example of SEP. And, hey, it really does require very little power!
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              • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday June 13 2016, @09:45AM

                Ya think? I'm pretty sure it's definitely my problem. It's just not currently a bad enough problem to justify another civil war.

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                • (Score: 2) by Tork on Monday June 13 2016, @11:49AM

                  by Tork (3914) Subscriber Badge on Monday June 13 2016, @11:49AM (#359309)
                  Yes, I do think. When I made that remark I was standing in line for the TSA and I hesitated to post it because it occured to me that a remark like that on a public discussion forum might get me automatically flagged during this trip. You'll pardon me for not feeling as though the high-threshold you've set for yourself is anything but a convenience for you and not some grand 'last resort to save the country.'
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                  • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday June 13 2016, @07:33PM

                    Well if you really want the killing to start now, go ahead and start organizing it. You're going to find it difficult going for a couple more decades at least though. The people are not ready. Yet.

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                    My rights don't end where your fear begins.
                    • (Score: 2) by Tork on Monday June 13 2016, @08:33PM

                      by Tork (3914) Subscriber Badge on Monday June 13 2016, @08:33PM (#359593)
                      As I said, convenient.
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                      • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday June 14 2016, @02:05AM

                        It is what it is. Would you prefer we start the killing now? Because that's why we're allowed guns; to kill people who need a good killing. Personally I believe, like the founders did, that it should be a last resort. If your views differ, that's fine though.

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                        My rights don't end where your fear begins.
                        • (Score: 2) by Tork on Tuesday June 14 2016, @06:22AM

                          by Tork (3914) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday June 14 2016, @06:22AM (#359769)
                          You want to maintain a system that's getting people killed by using a justification that is never going to see the light of day. What I actually prefer is no killing at all, but we can't do anything to move in that direction because of philosophical grid-lock, partly sustained by you lot being such an obvious posers. Your thresholds don't sound like some serious warning the gov't should take seriously, they sound like the boasts of research working on a new battery technology.

                          You will never be there for us.
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                          • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday June 14 2016, @10:25AM

                            Never? No. It'll see the light of day within the next fifty years unless things change. I'd rather it happen sooner but that's not up to me.

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                            • (Score: 2) by Tork on Tuesday June 14 2016, @03:13PM

                              by Tork (3914) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday June 14 2016, @03:13PM (#359939)
                              Ok. Have a good week, man.
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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 13 2016, @02:31AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 13 2016, @02:31AM (#359078)

          LOL. You and your fetishized "armed resistance," even if you could manage to number in the hundreds of thousands, will be decimated by a few hundred pilots and operators with drones and surgical PGM strikes before you even realize you are the subject of a coordinated attack. These highly trained, indoctrinated soldiers will take you out without hesitation or remorse since you will have been branded traitors and terrorists. This will be followed up with a neat and tidy mainstream media blitz that will convince the vast majority of Americans that the right and moral thing was done.

          And, no, the small number of recruits you think you have infiltrated the military with will not be able to stop this or even be aware of these classified operations. You will be done before you even get your chance to be a the hero rebelling against FEDRUL GUBBMINT tyranny, if you even survive. You are only allowed to keep your toys because the feds know that you are nothing more than a impotent joke once push comes to shove.

          • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday June 13 2016, @10:00AM

            Sweety, American gun owners don't number in the hundreds of thousands. We number around a hundred million and we own enough firearms to arm every man, woman, and child within our borders and still have a few left over.

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            My rights don't end where your fear begins.
            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 13 2016, @04:30PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 13 2016, @04:30PM (#359424)

              Sweety, American gun owners don't number in the hundreds of thousands. We number around a hundred million and we own enough firearms to arm every man, woman, and child within our borders and still have a few left over.

              And yet--not to put too fine a point on this--I don't feel any safer because of this.

  • (Score: 2) by frojack on Sunday June 12 2016, @09:48PM

    by frojack (1554) on Sunday June 12 2016, @09:48PM (#358891) Journal

    Any kind of gun control will result in... only criminals having guns, while everyone else doesn't. I don't own one myself, don't need one.

    The first part of your statement was correct. Then you went off the rails.

    I've never yet needed one either. But there is a loaded (and secured) one within reach.

    Everybody inside that nightclub was unarmed. The lone offduty cop working outside security was the only one that engaged the shooter till swat arrived. And Swat let him have several hours alone inside while he continued to shoot people.

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