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posted by takyon on Sunday June 12 2016, @06:00PM   Printer-friendly

A suspected Islamic terrorist opened fire at a gay nightclub in Florida, killing 50 people and wounding another 53 before he was killed by police. While authorities continue to investigate to determine whether this man had ties to ISIS, the terror organization has not been quiet in praising the attack. This comes three days after ISIS announced they would attack somewhere in Florida. Today's attack marks the largest act of terrorism on US soil since 9/11.

takyon: The gunman reportedly called 911 emergency services to pledge allegiance to ISIS. The President will hold a briefing momentarily. Compare this article to the original submission.


Original Submission   Late submission by physicsmajor

 
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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 13 2016, @02:45AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 13 2016, @02:45AM (#359088)

    We live in a democracy. Changes to laws are debated, albeit by not the greatest collection of legislators ever assembled.

    Security of citizens is of great importance. So is freedom. There has to be a balance. Terrorists are experts at exploiting the tension between them; it's not like natural disasters where you can predict damage under various circumstances using science and probability.

  • (Score: 2) by Anal Pumpernickel on Monday June 13 2016, @03:02AM

    by Anal Pumpernickel (776) on Monday June 13 2016, @03:02AM (#359095)

    We live in a democracy.

    And if that democracy decides to infringe upon people's fundamental liberties in the name of security, then that is an injustice and it must be corrected.

    There has to be a balance.

    The only "balance" we need in the US is the constitution, which is the highest law of the land. The government should follow it. Of course, it can also be amended if necessary, but since mass surveillance is necessarily unethical, amending the constitution to allow for that would be intolerable.

    Whenever someone mentions a mythical, magical "balance" in a discussion like this, what they usually mean is that you should surrender your liberties and forget about a government that follows the constitution. We should evaluate each specific policy proposal to see if it is good or not, not strive to achieve some vague "balance" which usually results in decreased liberties.

    Security of citizens is of great importance.

    But not as great as freedom, which we should fight and die for.

    Terrorists are experts at exploiting the tension between them

    Only because so many people are authoritarian cowards.

    I believe you've helped to prove my point. You even managed to use the same buzzwords as countless authoritarian 'experts' who appear on media outlets.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 13 2016, @03:32AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 13 2016, @03:32AM (#359108)

      Unless we agree with you, we're spineless cowards who are collaborating the totalitarians.

      OK, got it. It's going to be very productive discussing this issue with you.

      • (Score: 2) by Anal Pumpernickel on Monday June 13 2016, @04:20AM

        by Anal Pumpernickel (776) on Monday June 13 2016, @04:20AM (#359140)

        Unless we agree with you, we're spineless cowards who are collaborating the totalitarians.

        No, just cowardly authoritarians. I have no idea if you're directly working with authoritarians who are in positions of power or not.

        OK, got it. It's going to be very productive discussing this issue with you.

        I don't feel the need to be civil with people who want to infringe upon everyone's liberties. Our goals and values are simply irreconcilable.