And the winner of the 2016 U.S. Presidential election, as reported by the major mainstream media outlets is Donald Trump. It has also been reported that Hillary Clinton called President-elect Donald Trump to concede.
Electoral vote count (so far): 279 for Donald Trump, 218 for Hillary Clinton. 270 electoral votes are needed to win.
Popular vote: 57,227,164 votes (48.0%) for Donald Trump, 56,279,305 votes (47.2%) for Hillary Clinton. Update: Now it is closer to 59,085,795 votes (47.5%) for Donald Trump and 59,236,903 votes (47.6%) for Hillary Clinton.
Yell, scream, gnash teeth... but please keep it civil.
Results at CNN, NYT, FiveThirtyEight, Wikipedia.
takyon: Republicans have retained control of the House and Senate.
Here's some market news:
Dow futures plunge nearly 750 points as investors warily eye electoral map
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Bitcoin price soars as Trump pulls ahead
Opinion: How to profit from a Donald Trump victory
Ballot measure results will be covered in an upcoming story. Some initial results can be found at Ballotpedia and CNN.
[TMB Note: Stop breaking stuff, cmn32480]
May I be the first to say, as a non-US citizen:
WHAT WERE YOU THINKING???
(The Daily Mash [thedailymash.co.uk] has the first of several worryingly-good takes on this.)
I've never been more ashamed to be American in my life. Hatred, misogyny, bigotry, and xenophobia won out tonight. Bullying and authoritarianism won big. Enjoy your new fascist demagogue dictator, America, you earned it.
Please. I am enormously relieved Trump won, because he delivers the "F-you" the elites so desperately needed. Everything else is dubious and desultory, but tonight and at least for a while I get to enjoy the trepidation of the self-satisfied pricks who have visited havoc on the American people, uninterrupted, for 40 years. I truly hope Trump follows through and visits upon those folk a measure of what they have visited upon America.
As for hatred, misogyny, bigotry, and xenophobia, all I have to say is, "You obviously know nothing about the Clintons." I know a lot about the Clintons. I ran Digital for Bill Clinton at his Foundation for three years book-ending the earthquake in Haiti. I have been physically in the room while he divvied up the spoils with his supposed mortal enemies Rupert Murdoch and Chris Ruddy (of NewsMax, the down-market Fox). I remember how for 3 years Bill Clinton referred to his Director of Press as "that Puerto Rican fella," when in fact he was from the Dominican Republic. I remember Bill Clinton visually fucking the Director of Correspondence, an attractive black lady, while she was waiting to have her picture taken with him. The Clintons don't care about race, sure, in the same way that an exploiter doesn't care about the color of the mark's skin as long as the color of his money is green. But when rubber meets the road, the Clintons are as awful in fact as the most awful anyone imagines about Trump.
Like Farage, Trump is the elite.
Don't confuse "wealth" with "elite". Nor should you mistake "ignorant", "bellicose" or "overbearing" with elite. Trump is simply not part of the club. Despite all his bull-headed arrogance, Trump is just another neighborhood bully, out for numero uno.
> I have been physically in the room while he divvied up the spoils with his supposed mortal enemies Rupert Murdoch and Chris Ruddy (of NewsMax, the down-market Fox
Every time you tell that story it gets wilder and wilder.I'm thinking you've got a case of the brian williams.
The evolving versions of that story:
Chris Ruddy, the CEO of NewsMax, founded that theory and pushed it heavily. He is now Bill Clinton's best pal; I've sat in meetings with the two of them. I've also seen Bill Clinton meeting with Rupert Murdoch. Truly, the Republicans vs. Democrats, Left vs. Right divide in America is all for the rubes. The Clintons, Bushes, Soroses, Murdochs of the world are on the same side.March 30 2015 [soylentnews.org]
I have seen the inside of their operations. I ran their operations. I have seen Chris Ruddy (CEO of Newsmax, and the guy who ran the Vince Foster conspiracy) sitting in meetings with the Clintons, divvying up the spoils. I have seen Rupert Murdoch do the same. I have been in the room when household names you would instantly know have schemed out ways to fleece the public. It's "just business" to them.September 28 2016 [soylentnews.org]
I don't see evolving, I see variations based on context. The basic players are there, the location is there. Your examples span quite a time frame as well.
Hey, if 666 is just blue skying the whole "I was there man" game then I have to say, I love it anyway for it fits the internal view I've had of the Clinton's for some time. When I was young and less worldly I voted for Bill. Twice. Like Obama though, that second one was harder (and DAMN the dems for not finding strong people. They are out there), and later on, when I started to read about the Clinton's, followed her 2008 campaign I grew to not like either at all.
So, if Phoenix666 is telling a tall tale, good on her. If it is possible true, good as well and I'd love to read the book.
My accounts are congruent, and they are true. Here's 3rd party substantiation of Chris Ruddy's association with Bill Clinton and the Clinton Foundation [judicialwatch.org]. Here is the same for the ties between Rupert Murdoch and the Clintons [wsj.com].
The rubes (us) are led to believe that the Democratic Party and Republican Party are mortal enemies, that the Clintons are permanently at war with the "vast right-wing conspiracy," but that's all a facade. They are all in bed with each other, and the only real factions are those based on ego; there are no ideological camps, only positions of convenience. There is no "Red Team vs. Blue Team," there is only, "1% vs. 99%," to borrow the Occupy language for the sake of convenience. I repeat it every time politics come up on SN because everyone needs to understand that.
The thing that's funny to hear is that some think I'm telling a tall tale, because you know in your heart that what I am saying is real. Trump won because people were voting against the very thing I'm describing, the comprehensive web of corruption that is strangling our country and in which the Clintons are inextricably enmeshed. And what I will say is that the moment after you've pinched yourself in one of those meetings and you know that you're not imagining it, that people really are that corrupt, any "tall tale" impression you might have had before going in vanishes because what you're witnessing is so banal, so crude, so tedious, so unimaginative.
And they're completely unselfconscious about it because it is their daily practice. They don't even think twice about how what they're doing would appall regular Americans. When you walk into a meeting with Rachel Ray, who kisses you on both cheeks and perches behind her tiny antique desk, and you're thinking "Wow that's a weird, random direction I was not expecting my day to take this morning at breakfast when I kissed my wife and baby goodbye," and then her team starts laying out a vision of a scheme where everyone can "wet their beak," it dawns on you that you've stumbled into a parallel universe that's parasitically attached to ours.
When you participate in conference calls with Jesse Dylan, Bob Dylan's son, who's a film maker and documentarian, working out the details of a flattering biopic of the Clintons that all parties can profit from, you realize anew how deep the rabbit hole goes. By the time you're sitting at a gala where Eric Clapton is performing "Cocaine" live 5 feet in front of you as a personal favor to the Clintons, with Bon Jovi as the follow-up act, the vastness of the conspiracy yawns before you.
After that, seeing the list of donors in hard copy, where they live and how much they give, and the list of the Friends of Bill, broken out in tiers of people who merit his personal attention and those who merely get "autopenned" with a piece of fake correspondence, and the piles of boodle sent from everyone from a tea magnate in Indonesia to a purveyor of fine leather goods, sent to curry favor, well, it's just a formality, really. I've seen the hidden vault in the basement of the Clinton Presidential Library in Little Rock, and the cheezy opulence of solid gold statues of racehorses from the king of Saudi Arabia is only exceeded by the hilarity of the protrait of Bill and Hillary that had been done by some notable's nephew, who had rendered them to look like they had Down's (to this day I kick myself that I didn't take a picture of that). I mean, you see Bill Clinton's personal office, and it's not filled with pictures of his wife and kid, the drawing Chelsea did when she was 5, and the kind of stuff that any normal human would have. You see row after row of trophies and prizes with his name, gifted to him by organizations that had reason to kiss his ass.
And that's what they do it for, guys. All that cheesy, glitzy stuff that would make the Gottis blush, all the hollow, fawning awards, the numbers in the bank statements, people bowing and scraping around them clicking madly away on their Blackberries and calling them "Sir!" and "Ma'am!", that's what they shiv the rest of us to get. They start wars and kill tens of thousands of innocent people so that some potentate's nephew will present a gold-framed portrait of them with Down's Syndrome.
It seems very consistent to me.
I am enormously relieved Trump won, because he delivers the "F-you" the elites so desperately needed
Yeah, those lower tax rates on the elites that Trump promised are such a "F-you" to the elites.
Trump is one of the elites. He isn't going to shaft himself. You are delusional if you think he will.
Also, for all your "Flyover country" rhetoric, just where do you think Trump is from? Where does he live? Where does he invest?
for all your "Flyover country" rhetoric, just where do you think Trump is from? Where does he live? Where does he invest?
for all your "Flyover country" rhetoric, just where do you think Trump is from? Where does he live? Where does he invest?
It doesn't matter as much that The Donald is a vile house-stealing cowardly criminal who delegated the dirty work to government agents - that is outweighed by the opportunity to give a giant "F YOU!" to the criminal government establishment along with their incestuous media pals who at least put on a super-convincing show to loudly announce that they did NOT want The Donald as US Pres.
I voted for Trump and I've drawn parallels between him and Hitler multiple times in conversation. If we did elect a Hitler, we'll just have to deal with that as we discover actual supporting evidence. Meanwhile, all the blue islands in the red sea [cracked.com] get to enjoy a nice prolonged view of that giant middle finger erected in their direction.
Bullying and authoritarianism won big.
It wouldn't have won any smaller with Clinton. At least Trump can be impeached, should he cross the line.
She's an authoritarian for sure, but far, far less than him; his authoritarianism is practically off the charts [politicalcompass.org], the most authoritarian president we've ever had by far. And him getting impeached, which is inevitable I believe, but that leaves us with that disgusting fascist theocrat Mike fucking Pence as president, who will be way worse.
So Trump chose a good VP then?
I've long said that Dick Cheney was a great VP. Not for anything that he did or didn't do, but rather for the fact that the one thing that the haters hated more than W was the thought that Cheney would be in charge if W were removed. You seem to be saying that it's the same with Pence...
Well, leave the country, chump. We don't need you. Paris will probably welcome you, unless they've decided that Americans are likely terrorists.
It starts already! [soylentnews.org]
May I be the first to say, as a non-US citizen: WHAT WERE YOU THINKING???
As a US citizen, I am scratching my head wondering the same thing. It didn't go as I had predicted.
Surely you know the answer to that question?
And now surprise...they rarely do....
My Message to the US and its supporters:
You get the government you deserve....
My Message to the US and its supporters:You get the government you deserve....
Yes, I have said this before. In a democracy the people always get what they deserve. Right now it appears that we are about to get anally raped...and we will deserve it. :-(
Well, evil clowns [wikipedia.org] were popular for quite a while. So it's now no surprise that one got elected as president now.