And the winner of the 2016 U.S. Presidential election, as reported by the major mainstream media outlets is Donald Trump. It has also been reported that Hillary Clinton called President-elect Donald Trump to concede.
Electoral vote count (so far): 279 for Donald Trump, 218 for Hillary Clinton. 270 electoral votes are needed to win.
Popular vote: 57,227,164 votes (48.0%) for Donald Trump, 56,279,305 votes (47.2%) for Hillary Clinton. Update: Now it is closer to 59,085,795 votes (47.5%) for Donald Trump and 59,236,903 votes (47.6%) for Hillary Clinton.
Yell, scream, gnash teeth... but please keep it civil.
Results at CNN, NYT, FiveThirtyEight, Wikipedia.
takyon: Republicans have retained control of the House and Senate.
Here's some market news:
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Bitcoin price soars as Trump pulls ahead
Opinion: How to profit from a Donald Trump victory
Ballot measure results will be covered in an upcoming story. Some initial results can be found at Ballotpedia and CNN.
[TMB Note: Stop breaking stuff, cmn32480]
There are plenty of legitimate criticisms to make about both Obama and Hillary. When people are making a big deal about non-issues or using something that only seems to be a problem when its because its "the other team" doing it (like say, bitching about Hillary's emails but not giving a fuck about Bush and Cheney deleting 22 million White House emails after a subpoena, or suddenly caring about the one embassy attack during Obama's administration but not the 13 that happened under Bush, or suddenly caring about "National Security" and "honesty but not giving a fuck when Bush's administration outed a CIA active agent, endangering her life and ending her career, and then committed perjury during the investigation, etc) then its clear that the hatred is already pre-determined due to bias and the person is just desperately looking for anything, literally anything, to justify that biased hatred.
Its pretty easy to tell bias from legitimate criticisms. Believe it or not, the people being called out as racists were, in fact, racists. Watch as they remain silent when Trump does literally the same exact things that Obama and Hillary got shit for without a fucking peep from the people who made the most racket when Obama/Hillary did it. That is called "hypocrisy" and "obvious bias", and whats the only difference? Skin color and genitals.
That is called "hypocrisy" and "obvious bias"
Nope, that's called what's good for the goose is good for the gander.
With that incredibly broad brush you're painting with, you forget that there were several who were critical of both Bush and Clinton (begins with an "l" but it's not the left).
And I'll remind you the same people who wanted Bush tried as a war criminal turned a blind eye towards everything Obama and Clinton were doing as well.
But hey, keeping telling yourself it was all racism, and that only you can look into a man's heart and see where their motivations lie.
And this is exactly why liberals lost and are going to become the hated minority they always claim to be. Wishing away your problems will not remove them. Wishing away the people you despise and taking away their right one by one won't make them powerless. I have said here on SN a long time back that the problem of western civilization is their quest to be efficient. Who cares about educating racists when you can just silence them? Why care about men's issues when you can just ignore them? Liberals have slowly and systematically involved themselves into a social engineering project where they demonized college men, caused ever increasing college dropout rate, didn't control the education loan crisis while subsidizing the female college students. And what happened? The non-college going white male population which has been voting democrats switched sides. And yet Trump did better among hispanics and didn't lose any women votes. Why? I have already read several articles from The Economist, The Guardian and Vox calling votes as idiots. Could it be that they, in fact, don't like to be called idiots? Could it be liberals squandered all chances of an open dialogue and power sharing until a long term solution could be found? Could it be that liberals are not that liberals and worked to preserve the status quo, becoming the the very definition of conservatism? Could it be that there might a cause behind someone being a racist? If liberals can't get underneath the skin of their haters when they actually have the power, why complain on losing it?
Is that racism or team tribalism? There probably is racism, but certainly not all of it is.
That is called "hypocrisy" and "obvious bias", and whats the only difference? Skin color and genitals.
But they're also on different teams.
There are some of us who did speak up about those issues, then. We were called 'traitors' and 'unpatriotic.' Me, I decried the corruption and criminality then, when Karl Rove and Scooter Libby destroyed emails rather than comply with federal records-retention acts.
Of course you and others like you will gloss over all that endlessly in order to fit everything into your simplistic narratives.
So if you want to escape the petard that you are hoisting others upon, then do the moral thing and call out everything that runs afoul of that code, no matter which team you identify with. I bet you can't do it, given the cavelier tone you've adopted thus far.
There are some of us who did speak up about those issues, then. We were called 'traitors' and 'unpatriotic.'
Are you ready for another 4 years of that? Because I'm sure as hell not. America's fall to fascism is complete. And there's still this overwhelming idea that being against Drumpf makes one pro-Clinton. I assure, thats not the case. The world isn't black and white, there is no "either for us, or against us", but unfortunately we're about to live through another 4 years of that same bullshit that we suffered through during Dubya's administration yet again. Its a sad day for America.
I agree. Being anti-Trump does not equal being pro-Clinton. I also agree that the world isn't black and white, and that there is a lot more nuance out there than the simplistic narratives pushed by the media. For example, I voted for Trump not because I am pro-Trump, but because I am vehemently anti-Clinton.