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posted by cmn32480 on Wednesday November 09 2016, @12:10PM   Printer-friendly
from the not-the-people dept.

And the winner of the 2016 U.S. Presidential election, as reported by the major mainstream media outlets is Donald Trump. It has also been reported that Hillary Clinton called President-elect Donald Trump to concede.

Electoral vote count (so far): 279 for Donald Trump, 218 for Hillary Clinton. 270 electoral votes are needed to win.

Popular vote: 57,227,164 votes (48.0%) for Donald Trump, 56,279,305 votes (47.2%) for Hillary Clinton. Update: Now it is closer to 59,085,795 votes (47.5%) for Donald Trump and 59,236,903 votes (47.6%) for Hillary Clinton.

Yell, scream, gnash teeth... but please keep it civil.

Results at CNN, NYT, FiveThirtyEight, Wikipedia.

takyon: Republicans have retained control of the House and Senate.

Here's some market news:

Dow futures plunge nearly 750 points as investors warily eye electoral map
Asian markets plummet on likelihood of Trump victory
Bitcoin price soars as Trump pulls ahead
Opinion: How to profit from a Donald Trump victory

Ballot measure results will be covered in an upcoming story. Some initial results can be found at Ballotpedia and CNN.

[TMB Note: Stop breaking stuff, cmn32480]

 
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  • (Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 09 2016, @09:15AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 09 2016, @09:15AM (#424444)

    > He received a greater share of the latino vote than Romney did.
    > He even received a greater share of the black vote.

    That's outright false.

    > This isn't about race.

    It is absolutely about race. Its about rural whites thinking that minorities are "cutting in line" [washingtonpost.com] and urban republican whites not minding blatant bigotry in their president as long as it's not directed at themselves.

    The KKK are fucking jubilant over this result. [internationalnewslive.com]

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  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 09 2016, @10:01AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 09 2016, @10:01AM (#424482)

    Which KKK. The new version BLM? Or the old school black panthers? Maybe La Raza?

    White != Racist you nitwit.

    The DNC created KKK is basically irrelevant at this point. The only people who continue to make the relevant are those who want to divide people into little groups. So they can tell them sweet sweet tailored lies and then do nothing about it.

    You are willing to allow people to break the law just so long as you do not look 'bigoted'. Well many disagree with your stance.

  • (Score: 4, Interesting) by q.kontinuum on Wednesday November 09 2016, @10:49AM

    by q.kontinuum (532) on Wednesday November 09 2016, @10:49AM (#424505) Journal

    KKK was not the only supporter [twitter.com]...

    Victor Laszlo: This will always be remembered as the presidential election in which the KKK, the KGB and the FBI all supported the same candidate.

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    Registered IRC nick on chat.soylentnews.org: qkontinuum
    • (Score: 2) by VLM on Wednesday November 09 2016, @02:46PM

      by VLM (445) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday November 09 2016, @02:46PM (#424636)

      You have to be realistic, its a running joke in the 1488-alt-right nrx type movement that every freaking member of the KKK is a FBI or local law enforcement agent.

      As a typical example one of the alt-right podcasts I listen to had a running joke over the recent Halloween holiday that he loves Halloween because finally he can wear a white sheet in public without people thinking he's in the FBI and all the other hosts laughing. Everyone's got a joke similar to that.

      Now if you mean "Klan" as in Normies call any non-progressive infiltrated semi organized or autonomous group the "Klan", well that's different. Yeah, we're pretty happy. Jubilant even. But thats intellectually lazy, just like every Republican for my entire life has been "literally Hitler" so I've been gradually acculturated to think a politician who's like Hitler is pretty cool. I like Duterte and Putin and Trump and Pinochet, I'm told they're all literally Hitler and having Hitler in charge was only a bad idea exactly one time back in my grandparents generation. But every time we put a Clinton in office its a corrupt shitshow, or not just a Clinton but a "D" in general.

      I never thought I'd feel common cause with Duterte, him being a chinese commie emulation of Che. Che was a total dirtbag, but Duterte has little reason to dislike him other than the whole "bosses are chi-coms" thing. The alt-right is more open minded that most give it credit.

      On a side issue, something I don't understand about anti-KGB anti-Russian stuff Hillary was running on while trying to start a nuclear WW3 in Syria... show some empathy? Like if the Russians were having an election where one candidate was a nutcase trying to turn the world into a radioactive cinder and/or start WW3 and/or a new cold war, that is horrific and you'd demand the CIA do every damn thing possible to prevent the pointless worldwide annihilation of western civilization. So the KGB should oppose Clinton because the odds of Russia turning into a radioactive cinder are what, 10, 100, 1000 times higher with her than the known to be Chill God Emperor? I mean you can't blame people for not wanting to die... It might be some boomer thing that only people born before 1940 and lived in the cold war can relate to, but every time she went on a "I've got a great idea, lets nuke Russia" rant I was like WTF are you actively trying to lose?

      • (Score: 5, Insightful) by q.kontinuum on Wednesday November 09 2016, @03:40PM

        by q.kontinuum (532) on Wednesday November 09 2016, @03:40PM (#424687) Journal

        Not sure which of your comments are sincere and which are more sarcastic or tongue in cheek. A cousin of my wife was shot dead under Dutertes war on drugs... He was a user only, not a dealer, going to the police to own up, and next thing he is shot dead from behind in the head, two more bullets to the chest for good measure. Body looked like he was shot kneeling, the way it fell. Gun in his left hand as he allegedly attacked the police (strange he is right handed, and strange it was not the gun he legally owned), and drugs in his right hand to make certain everyone gets the point he was definitely a maniac on drugs at that time.

        And this is not a rare case on Philippines nowadays, more like a common pattern.

        I'm not claiming every nutjob is "literary" a "Hitler". Unfortunately the name and meme was heavily overused the past decades, by Disney-movies and alike to depict a non-human monster that everyone expects to identify for what it is on a first glance, from others as an insult to any conservative nationalist. The effect is that everyone thinks what happened here in Germany could never happen to them, and any allegation to Hitler can be ignored due to decades of crying "Wol^wHitler" at any occasion.

        I sincerely which you the best of luck with your new president. I'm not even sure Hillary would have been better, although I'm sure she would have understood that if the world burns, USA would burn with it. With Trump I'm not so sure. I'm a bit concerned that this is a general tendency. It was in France, Hungary, Poland, Britain (Brexit), Philippines, etc. People are just fed up with corrupt politicians and vote for change. No matter what, as long as it is a change. Bernie Sanders would have been a viable alternative in that regard, I suspect. Assuming this will show the establishment, and assuming it can't get any worse anyhow.

        I'm afraid this is a wrong assumption. I think it can get *much* worse, on a global scale, before things finally might get better again. And due to technical progress, mankind is now in a position to destroy the human race entirely, so I can't take it for granted it will get better again later.

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        Registered IRC nick on chat.soylentnews.org: qkontinuum
  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday November 09 2016, @11:05AM

    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday November 09 2016, @11:05AM (#424512) Homepage Journal

    Well, illegal aliens ARE 'cutting in line'. But, "illegal" isn't a race, dumbass.

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    “If everyone is thinking alike, then somebody isn't thinking.” ― George S. Patton on Ukraine
    • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 09 2016, @11:11AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 09 2016, @11:11AM (#424518)

      It is revealing that when you read "minority" you hear "illegal."

      • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday November 09 2016, @11:46AM

        by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday November 09 2016, @11:46AM (#424542) Homepage Journal

        Don't sweat it man - in just a few short years, whites will be the minority, and probably illegal too.

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        “If everyone is thinking alike, then somebody isn't thinking.” ― George S. Patton on Ukraine
    • (Score: 4, Interesting) by VLM on Wednesday November 09 2016, @03:17PM

      by VLM (445) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday November 09 2016, @03:17PM (#424660)

      But, "illegal" isn't a race, dumbass.

      In practice though, nobody is protesting hot Canadian women scantily clad in maple leaf costumes tying us up to force feed us delicious maple syrup while experiencing a civilized modern healthcare system and watching ice hockey. I hate it every time that happens. In fact I should go protest it right now. At least I'll protest against the ice hockey part.

      Funny isn't it how ICE puts in a lot of labor hours to make sure a white college grad from England will never work illegally here, but the country doesn't seem to enforce any laws or rules against folks of certain other demographic characteristics. Its almost like the system is rigged or is racist against some groups. Naah couldn't be, right?

      • (Score: 2) by AthanasiusKircher on Thursday November 10 2016, @03:24AM

        by AthanasiusKircher (5291) on Thursday November 10 2016, @03:24AM (#424979) Journal

        Funny isn't it how ICE puts in a lot of labor hours to make sure a white college grad from England will never work illegally here, but the country doesn't seem to enforce any laws or rules against folks of certain other demographic characteristics. Its almost like the system is rigged or is racist against some groups. Naah couldn't be, right?

        As someone who has a close family member who married white European person -- who was prevented for years from coming to the U.S. (even though she was married to an American citizen and had a child who was born in the U.S. and an American citizen) because of overstaying a visa earlier... I can assure you that U.S. immigration can be jerks to people of all nationalities and races.

        Yes, the most prominent group of "illegal aliens" that politics focuses on are Mexicans (and other Latin Americans). But I assure you from my own family experience and from hearing of others who were in similar situations when they were consulting attorneys to deal with the fiasco of years of hearings and proceedings... U.S. immigration definitely doesn't give a free pass to whites or whatever.

        At some point in the process my family members were seriously considering just sneaking this person across the Canadian border rather than going through the official process, since it works so much better for most "illegal immigrants." Instead, they put up with living separately with my relative commuting back and forth to Europe to be with his family for several years.

        • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Thursday November 10 2016, @11:22AM

          by Phoenix666 (552) Subscriber Badge on Thursday November 10 2016, @11:22AM (#425085) Journal

          No kidding. My second-in-command at the Clinton Foundation, no less, was Irish and it took him 15 years to get his green card, and that was without having overstayed a visa or anything like that.

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  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by VLM on Wednesday November 09 2016, @01:59PM

    by VLM (445) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday November 09 2016, @01:59PM (#424598)

    He even received a greater share of the black vote.

    That's outright false.

    One of these ACs is wrong. I'll put my actual name and reputation (however tarnished it may be) to the result of some google searches and the best factual data I can find at this time is Trump got 8% of the black vote and Romney scored 6% of the black vote. That may change thru the day as numbers are finalized and, of course, spun.

    You could make a good argument that 2% of the black vote is racist and only voted for Obama because he was black, and without a black dude on the ticket they voted their conscience instead. Honestly I don't know how to comment if 1 in 50 being the dark equivalent of klansmen is high or low. I mean 49 out of 50 black folk not being racist is pretty damn good in a certain absolute sense, its only the 1 in 50 that need fixing, I guess? Are 1 in 50 white guys 1488? More? Less? Damnfino. Most of the black folk I know are extremely highly educated and very successful (which makes them extreme outliers in their community) and they in general have expressed high skepticism of race relations to me, but none of them would qualify as far as I know as outright racists so anecdotally 1 in 50 isn't too ridiculous.

    Also as a side issue there's no point in assuming the worst, its entirely possible AC #2 is factually reporting partial results he read at 9pm last night or something that are simply out of date. Or AC misread some data from Mississippi or some subset and that peculiar subset has peculiar result that don't reflect national results.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 09 2016, @08:27PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 09 2016, @08:27PM (#424832)

    You think like CNN and MSNBC.

    It was funny watching them discuss the results. They would alternate between dissing Trump and proclaiming that he won by angry while males, occasionally acknowledging that there might be a class divide.

    Not a negative word was said about Clinton. They literally couldn't say "corrupt".

    Trump was up against somebody who wanted to run the USA like a 3rd-world nation, pay-for-play with immunity for team members. Why can't this be admitted?

    It's also about women, and what will happen to them if we let in unlimited muslims. It's also about not wanting to have to speak a different language right here where we were born. It's also about jobs, including for black men...

    ...but mostly it's about corruption.

    One more thing that probably showed up too late to matter (couple days ago) but should be more than enough to disqualify Clinton: She had a secure room in her house called a SCIF (see Wikipedia) that is used for TOP SECRET with extras, effectively beyond TOP SECRET. She gave the code to open this room to her maid, who is a foreign citizen, so that the maid could go get things and print things. This alone earns Clinton a felony. Also, her room was not certified for computers, and she denied that she had them there, yet she did in fact have at least a laptop in the room. Normal people serve time for that sort of thing, though a mere "oops" can be just losing a security clearance. This was no "oops", given that Clinton asked her maid to print stuff.

    I don't know about Trump... but I do know about Clinton. We chose to not have 3rd-world governance.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 10 2016, @12:07AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 10 2016, @12:07AM (#424924)

    I'm a white male. I voted for Trump because most of the politicians hate him and they couldn't even imagine him winning, that's how full of themselves they were. I hate the politicians and it's about time they get something they don't like. They're all far too cosy, using their positions for personal gain rather than improving the country. Really, that's the only reason I didn't vote 3rd party. It was a screw you vote to Washington and to Hillary. Hillary matches my views on almost every issue (well her current public views anyway), but her and her party were just too corrupt to vote for. Race or gender never factored into anything.

    I have no doubt that Trump will be a bad president, but he's an enemy of my enemy. I'm sorry about all the little people I just helped screw over and the environmental damage he'll cause, but I can't support any politicians anymore and he was their worse choice. They would have screwed over the little guys anyway. That's what they do. Hopefully Trump will keep them off balance.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 10 2016, @12:59AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 10 2016, @12:59AM (#424943)
    <leans in close> WRONG!

    http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-03-14/ku-klux-klan-grand-dragon-will-quigg-endorses-hillary-clinton-for-president