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posted by martyb on Monday October 02 2017, @04:18PM   Printer-friendly

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/10/02/554976369/section-of-las-vegas-strip-is-closed-after-music-festival-shooting

A gunman fired upon thousands of people attending a music festival on the Las Vegas Strip Sunday night, in a brutal attack that is blamed for at least 58 deaths, police say. In the mass shooting and panic that ensued, 515 people were injured. At least one of the dead is an off-duty police officer who was attending the concert.

Editorializing: Interesting how media always emphasize ISLAMIC terrorists, but downplay domestic terrorism as psychologically disturbed individual lone-wolfs.


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  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday October 02 2017, @04:28PM (11 children)

    by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Monday October 02 2017, @04:28PM (#575955) Homepage Journal

    Editorializing: Interesting how media always emphasize ISLAMIC terrorists, but downplay domestic terrorism as psychologically disturbed individual lone-wolfs.

    That'd be because "psychologically disturbed individual lone-wolfs" don't tend to have much of anything in common except being fucked up in the head. Islamic terrorism, by contrast, has their holy book telling them to kill you and me for not believing the same as them.

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  • (Score: 1, Flamebait) by jmorris on Monday October 02 2017, @05:43PM (4 children)

    by jmorris (4844) on Monday October 02 2017, @05:43PM (#576017)

    More important, the mitigation strategy is very different between a true random nutjob and a radicalized convert to ISIS, an enraged Bernie Bro over the edge to violence, a Nazi nutter, etc.

    • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Monday October 02 2017, @06:59PM (3 children)

      by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Monday October 02 2017, @06:59PM (#576083) Journal

      Please, define that "very different" bit. A genuine nutjob might be encouraged by any of dozens of terrorist organizations. To them, he is a useful idiot. Lacking any support, the nutjob may go off on his own. But, the nut is a nut, either way.

      • (Score: 2) by jmorris on Monday October 02 2017, @08:32PM (2 children)

        by jmorris (4844) on Monday October 02 2017, @08:32PM (#576166)

        If you are tracking and infiltrating problematic orgarnizations, like we expect intelligence services to be doing, they can throw off watch lists to local law enforcement, you can run sting operations to take them out before they go operational on their own, etc. Some random nut goes off his meds one day and decides to take a few people to Hell with him there is not so much one can do to prevent it.

        The problem is our civilization model depends on openness to function. We can't make every possible target a fortress with security checks, armed guards and such. And all the guards in the world can't solve the root problem. We have destroyed the social cohesion, sense of respect for order, etc. that make that open society possible. We aren't One Nation anymore, we are a bunch of quarreling tribes occasionally breaking into open shooting.

        I am old enough to remember when you could walk past the local high school and during hunting season see a quarter or more of the vehicles parked being pickup trucks with gun racks, shotguns and rifles in place. Nobody thought this was in the slightest unusual, dangerous or remarkable, many of the trucks probably weren't even locked. It wasn't a problem. Dr. Sowell frequently speaks of his childhood, when he could carry a long gun home from school on the New York City subway system and nobody thought it was noteworthy. It wasn't a problem. Now any of these things would cause a blind panic, the very important question not being raised is; what changed? It should be obvious that the older societies were more stable, more peaceful, more functional compared to $current_year.

        • (Score: 4, Informative) by Runaway1956 on Monday October 02 2017, @08:40PM (1 child)

          by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Monday October 02 2017, @08:40PM (#576174) Journal

          You remember when . . . .

          I was just drafted into filling a gallon can with gasoline for one my less-bright children. Coming home, I was trapped behind a schoolbus. Strange - when we rode school buses, the driver came to a stop, opened the door, and between 1 and 20 kids would fly out the door, and run in as many different directions. Things have changed. Now, the driver stops, puts that barrier thing across the road, and WAITS until Mama or Papa walks across the road, to the door. When the driver recognizes the parent, or guardian, THEN he opens the door.

          This most certainly is NOT the society that I grew up in.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 02 2017, @11:16PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 02 2017, @11:16PM (#576298)

            Can't let kids run into the street! Can't let them walk a block or they'll get kidnapped! Can't can't can't... can't... ugh, I don't wanna live with these terrified sheeple.

  • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Monday October 02 2017, @06:24PM (5 children)

    by fustakrakich (6150) on Monday October 02 2017, @06:24PM (#576050) Journal

    Oh, c'mon... The Islamic holy book is a simple ledger [cnn.com] like anybody elses.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 02 2017, @08:42PM (4 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 02 2017, @08:42PM (#576175)

      The Islamic holy book is a simple ledger like anybody elses.

      Since your linked article says nothing at all about the Koran specifically, please clarify:

      Is the Koran merely a "simple ledger"? Explain your reasoning and sources.

      Were you trying to be sarcastic? If so, what is the Koran, does it or does it not tell its adherents to kill others for "not believing the same as them", and what are the sources for your claims?

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 02 2017, @10:00PM (3 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 02 2017, @10:00PM (#576241)

        The Koran is offtopic. Terrorism is a business, not a religion.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 02 2017, @10:14PM (2 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 02 2017, @10:14PM (#576255)

          The Koran is offtopic.

          fustakrakich is off-topic. It is my hobby to demonstrate this as if he doesn't respond to my simple and reasonable questions, his lack of depth is exposed. If he tries to respond anyway, history shows that he also will expose himself.

          Until he chooses to educate himself, the only winning move is not to post.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 03 2017, @12:15AM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 03 2017, @12:15AM (#576320)

            You are simply being obtuse and absurd, but hey, knock yourself out...

            The Koran is still offtopic in regards to the business of terrorism. Sorry for dropping the stink bomb on your overwrought conspiracy theories.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 13 2017, @08:03AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 13 2017, @08:03AM (#581628)

              The Koran is still offtopic

              Wait - I'd initially thought you were commenting on the thread as a whole, but did you perhaps fail to recognize that the "Islamic holy book" [soylentnews.org] is the Koran [wikipedia.org]!?

              That would be beyond daft - and spot on character!