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posted by martyb on Monday October 02 2017, @04:18PM   Printer-friendly

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/10/02/554976369/section-of-las-vegas-strip-is-closed-after-music-festival-shooting

A gunman fired upon thousands of people attending a music festival on the Las Vegas Strip Sunday night, in a brutal attack that is blamed for at least 58 deaths, police say. In the mass shooting and panic that ensued, 515 people were injured. At least one of the dead is an off-duty police officer who was attending the concert.

Editorializing: Interesting how media always emphasize ISLAMIC terrorists, but downplay domestic terrorism as psychologically disturbed individual lone-wolfs.


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  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Phoenix666 on Monday October 02 2017, @04:55PM (10 children)

    by Phoenix666 (552) on Monday October 02 2017, @04:55PM (#575973) Journal

    I'm with you. It's especially alarming that people are calling on Google and Facebook to censor online speech now.

    How much more of this can we take?

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 02 2017, @05:15PM (2 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 02 2017, @05:15PM (#575991)

    It really feels like a concentrated effort across a lot of countries to push high level control of society. Democracy is going out, too dangerous to let the little people have a say in how society is run. Silly plebes keep acting like they are different than the cattle they raise.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 02 2017, @09:17PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 02 2017, @09:17PM (#576202)

      Democracy is going out, too dangerous to let the little people have a say in how society is run.

      Such a silly thing to say, waving one's historical ignorance about like that, with claims that democracies allow the little people to have a say in how society is run... (Hint: there's a reason the United States of America's first form of government was emphatically NOT a democracy, but a representative republic where the republic was to be "bound by chains" of a constitution which was a list of the only things said republic could do.)
       

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 02 2017, @11:46PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 02 2017, @11:46PM (#576310)

        Such a silly assumption to make, are you perhaps related to a horse?

  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by takyon on Monday October 02 2017, @05:34PM (6 children)

    by takyon (881) <{takyon} {at} {soylentnews.org}> on Monday October 02 2017, @05:34PM (#576007) Journal

    I'm with you. It's especially alarming that people are calling on Google and Facebook to censor online speech now.

    Link some? I did a quick check on Google News but didn't see any (maybe it was censored :P).

    How much more of this can we take?

    The lone wolf threat is just getting started. At 58 or more deaths and 515 or more injuries, this guy got a pretty high score. However there are innumerable situations where people mass in public and could be picked off like this. The motivation just isn't there for yet an incident like this to happen once a day. But it could be depending on economic and social trends. The lone wolf will eventually upgrade to use the available advances in biology and chemistry (such as an idiot-proof machine that can manufacture chemicals).

    Calls to censor the Internet will only become more shrill. It's important to work on decentralization sooner rather than later. We should assume that places like SoylentNews simply can't exist on the clearweb in a few years. Put it on a Tor/Freenet-like service instead, preferably backed by routes that can't easily be shut down and don't involve major Internet nodes. All of this reduces performance a lot, but as long as you can share text + links, you can communicate a lot of useful information.

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    • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Monday October 02 2017, @07:08PM (5 children)

      by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Monday October 02 2017, @07:08PM (#576095) Journal
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      • (Score: 2) by takyon on Monday October 02 2017, @07:15PM (1 child)

        by takyon (881) <{takyon} {at} {soylentnews.org}> on Monday October 02 2017, @07:15PM (#576103) Journal

        I know about that stuff, that has been ongoing for a while. I was thinking of reactions specific to yesterday's Las Vegas mass shooting, perhaps having exited social media and started to reach editorial pages. Another comment also mentioned what they saw on Facebook (related to free speech rather than gun control).

        There might be more momentum behind it once the investigation into the guy's computer(s) and phone(s) leaks.

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        • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Monday October 02 2017, @08:01PM

          by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Monday October 02 2017, @08:01PM (#576146) Journal

          Ahhhh - understood. No, I've not seen anything specific to this incident - yet. But, we can expect gun nuts and gun control freaks to trot out some victims to say whatever they want them to say . . .

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 02 2017, @11:50PM (2 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 02 2017, @11:50PM (#576311)

        Rest of the world doesn't give a rats ass about US's "protected speech". We don't want Nazis and Fake News on the Internet. Period. If Facebook and Google want to continue to do business in non-US, then they will have to conform to the laws of those nations. And yes, this includes evil, speech-hating nations like Canada, Germany and Japan.

        US has some perverted views of freedom of speech. Money is NOT "speech", except in America. Hate speech is not welcome, except in America. Guns are controlled, except in America. Terrorism is not only by religious nuts, except in America where they can't call domestic terrorists terrorists

        • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday October 03 2017, @01:38AM (1 child)

          by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday October 03 2017, @01:38AM (#576360) Journal

          So, you're pro censorship. At least you can be honest enough to admit that, although not honest enough to put your name on the post. That's better than most, at least.

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          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 03 2017, @07:03AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 03 2017, @07:03AM (#576469)

            Conversely, that AC and his tender-eared pals hooked up to OUR Internet, and then started yammering on about how they don't like what they see. They're welcome to piss off back to where they came from and make their own Internet - with blackjack... and hookers!

            (As far as Facebook/Twitter, if they made a business presence for themselves in France et al, then they, too, deserve what they'll get.)