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posted by martyb on Monday October 02 2017, @04:18PM   Printer-friendly

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/10/02/554976369/section-of-las-vegas-strip-is-closed-after-music-festival-shooting

A gunman fired upon thousands of people attending a music festival on the Las Vegas Strip Sunday night, in a brutal attack that is blamed for at least 58 deaths, police say. In the mass shooting and panic that ensued, 515 people were injured. At least one of the dead is an off-duty police officer who was attending the concert.

Editorializing: Interesting how media always emphasize ISLAMIC terrorists, but downplay domestic terrorism as psychologically disturbed individual lone-wolfs.


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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 02 2017, @08:38PM (11 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 02 2017, @08:38PM (#576172)

    Gun control is about political power, not actually about keeping people safe.

    Except it seems to work in places where they have it. You know, France, Germany, Japan. And before you start listing "terrorists massacres with AKs",

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate [wikipedia.org]

    US - 3.60 murders per 100k
    France - 0.21 murders per 100k
    Germany - 0.07 murders per 100k
    Japan - 0

    And Germany has 30 guns per 100 people. Same as Canada. So not exactly no guns, like Japan. But US has 112 guns per 100 people - more guns than people. And there is no control who has guns. So, you get what you get.

    But yes, it is much too late to institute to institute gun control in US and actually reap benefit today. If you instituted gun control like in Germany today in US, it would take decades to get the numbers lower... too many unstable people have access to guns in US already.

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  • (Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 02 2017, @09:23PM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 02 2017, @09:23PM (#576206)

    Dead is dead, regardless of how it happens. That you would imply otherwise, by using "gun deaths" to imply that death is different depending on how one arrived at that state is misleading, deceitful, and vile.

    • (Score: 2) by realDonaldTrump on Tuesday October 03 2017, @02:41AM

      by realDonaldTrump (6614) on Tuesday October 03 2017, @02:41AM (#576387) Homepage Journal

      That's so true! There are a lot, a lot of ways to kill a bunch of people. Before they go on a helicopter ride, you could loosen the bolts to the rotors. A helicopter has two rotors. You do them both to make sure. You loosen them both. The helicopter goes up, the rotors come off, the helicopter comes down. Everyone dies! This isn't the time to talk about gun control. For many reasons, this isn't the time. 🇺🇸

  • (Score: 4, Informative) by jmorris on Monday October 02 2017, @10:24PM (8 children)

    by jmorris (4844) on Monday October 02 2017, @10:24PM (#576265)

    Take out our urban hellholes full of semi civilized orcs who are encouraged to shoot each other up by their Democrat overlords so they can harvest the sorrow for power, compare the numbers again. And don't worry, Europe is importing enough diversity they will soon experience the 'benefits' of a vibrant population.

    And I think you refuted your own argument with the last line of your post. The number of guns in the U.S. has been high since before the Founder's told the Brits to bugger themselves but our murder rate only went insane in the modern Progressive era. Why was Dodge City safer per capita than our nation's capital today? Why do you think we have so many more unstable people? Forget gun control, try rebuilding a civilization capable of generating stable citizens again. The problem is people control.

    • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday October 02 2017, @10:58PM

      by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Monday October 02 2017, @10:58PM (#576286) Homepage Journal

      Damn, out of mod points. That one needs to be +5 Bitchslap.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 02 2017, @11:53PM (6 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 02 2017, @11:53PM (#576312)

      Ugh, you fools have zero concept of how seriously politicians took the race war. It is clearly evident from your earlier post where you try and spin Nixon's actions as NOT racist or something. The real answer is that cities grew rapidly and cultural warfare resulted in minorities without real life opportunities. This resulted in the urban ghettos, and the rest is history. You're a racist piece of shit jmo, and TMB are you encouraging this shit or does the +5 bitchslap go up against jmo's head?

      • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday October 03 2017, @01:58AM (5 children)

        by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Tuesday October 03 2017, @01:58AM (#576371) Homepage Journal

        The black community has multiple problems, I agree. What you don't seem to get are they're not the ones you're being told.

        70-80% of black children are raised by a single parent. This has the single highest correlation with future poverty of any indicator. So if you actually give a damn about The Black Man, do something about a culture that's breeding piece of shit child abandoners en masse.

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 03 2017, @02:29AM (4 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 03 2017, @02:29AM (#576382)

          Well if the cops didn't lock half of them up and shoot another quarter, the numbers would likely be better.

          • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday October 03 2017, @02:40AM (3 children)

            by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Tuesday October 03 2017, @02:40AM (#576386) Homepage Journal

            No, they wouldn't. The ones in jail don't account for near the number of derelict parents. And if they want to stay out of jail, it's easy. Stop being a criminal.

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            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 03 2017, @06:28PM (2 children)

              by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 03 2017, @06:28PM (#576717)

              Culture war, you seem to not understand... There has been a staggering amount of effort put into keeping minorities down, very specifically black communities. What you are doing now is victim blaming, "get them to shape up!" without addressing the issues that politicians and white communities created. Your blindness on this issue is awful.

              • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday October 03 2017, @09:31PM (1 child)

                by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Tuesday October 03 2017, @09:31PM (#576790) Homepage Journal

                There has been a staggering amount of effort put into keeping minorities down, very specifically black communities.

                Bullshit. Prove your assertion. Nobody since the 60s has actually been kept down in any meaningful way by anyone but themselves and Democrats.

                What you are doing now is victim blaming...

                Bullshit again. The single biggest indicator of future poverty is growing up under a single parent, which 70-80% of black children do. That is not the white man's, or anyone else's, fault. Neither is a crime rate of 3x the national average.

                They are not victims of anyone but themselves and the shit-stains who sell them on victimhood.

                You know what's really fun? You're probably going to call me a racist for seeing them as equals and refusing to coddle them, then think yourself morally correct for seeing them as inferior and in need of your help.

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                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 04 2017, @09:21PM

                  by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 04 2017, @09:21PM (#577193)

                  I can see the argument that promoting single-mother households for black people by means of tax-extorted welfare is indeed promoting poverty among such people. When last I'd checked, that's exactly what welfare, Section 8, SNAP, WIC, etc. were all subsidizing: single black mothers with many children.

                  Many single black mothers with many children does not a rosy picture for black-skinned people paint. While mothers may not have been victims per se, their children most certainly seem to be.