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Over 50 dead in mass shooting in Las Vegas

posted by martyb on Monday October 02 2017, @04:18PM   

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http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/10/02/554976369/section-of-las-vegas-strip-is-closed-after-music-festival-shooting

A gunman fired upon thousands of people attending a music festival on the Las Vegas Strip Sunday night, in a brutal attack that is blamed for at least 58 deaths, police say. In the mass shooting and panic that ensued, 515 people were injured. At least one of the dead is an off-duty police officer who was attending the concert.

Editorializing: Interesting how media always emphasize ISLAMIC terrorists, but downplay domestic terrorism as psychologically disturbed individual lone-wolfs.

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• rights pre-exist government rights pre-exist government (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 02 2017, @09:34PM (2 children)

  by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 02 2017, @09:34PM (#576218)

  it's not their Constitution any more. It's ours.

  I believe we've proven yet again that there's no need for people to own these kinds of weapons. I want it changed. If enough other people also want it changed, then the systems designed by the aforementioned fathers of founding are already in place to make this change happen.

  You can try, but you'll have to get past the huge barrier in your way as explained in the majority opinion of 2008's Heller vs DC case, in which the USSC explicitly acknowledged that some rights do not come from government, and that such rights exist regardless of government. One such right was the one involved before the USSC, of whether or not a gun ban in the capital of the USA was legal. It wasn't.

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• Re:rights pre-exist government Re:rights pre-exist government (Score: 2) by LVDOVICVS on Tuesday October 03 2017, @02:08AM (1 child)

  by LVDOVICVS (6131) on Tuesday October 03 2017, @02:08AM (#576376)

  From my very quick reading of the case you site the outcome is based on the existence of the Second amendment. So it would appear that if the Second amendment were to be nullified by another amendment, the right to bear arms could be ended.

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  • Re:rights pre-exist government (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 03 2017, @03:22AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 03 2017, @03:22AM (#576400)

    You may want to go a little slower next time.

    The very text of the Second Amendment implicitly recognizes the pre-existence of the right and declares only that it “shall not be infringed.” As we said in United States v. Cruikshank, 92 U. S. 542, 553 (1876) , “[t]his is not a right granted by the Constitution. Neither is it in any manner dependent upon that instrument for its existence. [cornell.edu]

    Repealing the Second Amendment would do exactly NOTHING to revoke the right of individual humans to keep and carry all manner of weaponry.

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