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posted by takyon on Tuesday October 10 2017, @08:02PM   Printer-friendly
Live updates: 15 dead from fires in Wine Country, Northern California

The death toll from Northern California's wildfires now stands at 15, officials say, with a total of nine confirmed fatalities in Sonoma County. The Sonoma County Sheriff's Office said on its Twitter page that the number of dead had increased from seven to nine. Three others are dead in Mendocino County, two more in Napa and one in Yuba, officials say. In Sonoma County, more than 200 people have been reported missing, and 45 of those have since been located, officials said.

The fires have burned 115,000 acres statewide and destroyed at least 2,000 homes and businesses, Cal Fire Ken Pimlott said Tuesday. More than 4,000 emergency workers have been deployed to help battle the fires, including a massive effort at McClellan Air Park, where a record 45 missions were flown Monday that dumped 266,000 acres of retardant on the blazes.

Vice President Mike Pence visited the state's emergency operations center at Mather Air Park Tuesday and announced that President Trump had approved the state's request for federal assistance in the counties of Butte, Lake, Mendocino, Napa, Nevada, Sonoma, and Yuba.

Also at CNN, The Washington Post, KQED, LA Times, and NPR.

2017 Statewide Fire Map.

 
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  • (Score: 1) by Ethanol-fueled on Tuesday October 10 2017, @10:43PM (8 children)

    by Ethanol-fueled (2792) on Tuesday October 10 2017, @10:43PM (#580129) Homepage

    This happens every goddamn year in California, like 5 huge fires all literally start within a day or two of each other and yet there's still no talk about why that is so goddamn suspicious -- especially since it happens every goddamn year.

    Firefighters, like the FBI, have to justify their existence and the occasional dumpster-fire or mall shooting is not enough justification to gobble like pigs from the trough of public money. That being said, I'll leave it up to all you super-geniuses to figure out what I meant in saying all that.

    The only difference is that this year the fires are hitting places that the rest of California doesn't give a shit about, except maybe a couple who are worrying about the property values of their vacation homes. Napa folks are the ones who still throw Blacks off trains for "being too loud."

  • (Score: 1, Flamebait) by frojack on Tuesday October 10 2017, @10:59PM (7 children)

    by frojack (1554) on Tuesday October 10 2017, @10:59PM (#580139) Journal

    Those winds with the racist name happen every year at about the same time.
    That might explain one fire. Maybe two. Maybe three if embers blow a loooooong way (which they typically don't).

    But more than 14 fires ravaged eight counties all started simultaneously in countryside that is relatively dry all summer around (and could have caught fire long before the winds).

    Its highly suspicious that the first night of the winds fire springs up in over 14 scattered places. All pupulated by people that go through this every frikin year and know damn well you can't burn anything this time of year.

    Its almost like somebody was waiting for the winds. Need an insurance payout? Don't start just one. Too suspicious. Wanna stick it to the man? Burn baby burn. Ala Akbar!

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    • (Score: 2) by slinches on Tuesday October 10 2017, @11:27PM

      by slinches (5049) on Tuesday October 10 2017, @11:27PM (#580154)

      Or it could be that small fires start all of the time in the dry parts of summer. The difference is that when there's relatively little wind they can be put out quickly and it isn't until the higher sustained winds come that they spread too quickly to be easily contained.

    • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Wednesday October 11 2017, @12:58AM (5 children)

      by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday October 11 2017, @12:58AM (#580193) Journal

      That might explain one fire. Maybe two. Maybe three if embers blow a loooooong way (which they typically don't).

      But more than 14 fires ravaged eight counties all started simultaneously in countryside that is relatively dry all summer around (and could have caught fire long before the winds).

      Lighnting can happen on clear skies conditions - happens quite frequent in Australia on windy dry days (hot air blown from the center desert) - it is called dry thunderstorm [wikipedia.org].

      Once started, bush/forest fires create a weather of their own - the so called firestorm - including:

      • thunderstorm clouds - which can lit other fires at hundred kilometer distances. [abc.net.au]
      • embers hot enough to advance the fire front can (and will) travel by hundred of meters in windy days - the so-called ember attack [fireandbiodiversity.org.au] (PDF with study case and modelling).
        Frequent case in which kilometer-wide fire containment lines were bypassed by amber attacks.
      • radiation heat from intense fires can advance the fire-front by itself to distances of 100m - here's an example [smh.com.au] "We prayed and we worked bloody hard. Our house was lit up eight times by the fire as the front passed," Mr Sheahan said. "The elements off our TV antenna melted. We lost a Land Rover, two Subarus, a truck and trailer and two sheds.
        (the family had cleared the forest around their home for some 200m. I've seen the home and cleared area before and after the fire, I liked the area well enough to go have a late Sunday breakfast around there)
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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 11 2017, @01:36AM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 11 2017, @01:36AM (#580210)

        Yeah, but that's Australian bushfires. They're also venomous.

        • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Wednesday October 11 2017, @01:43AM

          by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday October 11 2017, @01:43AM (#580216) Journal

          Yeah, but that's Australian bushfires. They're also venomous.

          Heh, I was conservative in the distance live embers can travel, an this to account for the wimpy Californian conditions.

          In Australia, on a good day, embers can start fires at up to 30 km away [abc.net.au] (this, of course, on top of being venomous - grin)

          The key fuel element that does that in a forest like this is the bark on the trees… they can ignite at one end and be lofted by the convection column and actually travel many many kilometres, up to 30 kilometres downwind of the main fire, and start another fire.

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      • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Wednesday October 11 2017, @01:33PM (2 children)

        by Phoenix666 (552) on Wednesday October 11 2017, @01:33PM (#580451) Journal

        You beat me to the punch. I grew up in the Rockies and fires would start every summer through lightning strikes alone. Only rarely would campfires, for example, be to blame because locals are all aware of the forest fire risk and there are signs all over the place that report the forest fire risk. In short, you don't need to impute nefarious motive behind fires starting in dry areas in the summer. They happen all on their own.

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 11 2017, @02:06PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 11 2017, @02:06PM (#580470)

          So if the fires will happen regardless, what is the fucking point of all the signs and BS?

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 11 2017, @07:53PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 11 2017, @07:53PM (#580744)

            Because who the fuck needs MORE fires?