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posted by martyb on Thursday October 26 2017, @05:36PM   Printer-friendly
from the for-the-record dept.

Update: 2,800 documents will be released tonight, others may be released on April 26, 2018.

Update 2: Documents have been released.

Update 3: Check this live feed: JFK files: government releases classified assassination documents – live

John F. Kennedy, often better known as JFK, was the United States of America's 35th President. He was assassinated on November 22, 1963.

The deadline for the release of redacted and withheld records from the JFK Assassination Records Collection is today. Of the approximately 5 million pages in the collection, about 11% are redacted and 1% are withheld in full:

According to the [JFK Assassination Records Collection Act], all [JFK assassination-related] records previously withheld either in part or in full should be released on October 26, 2017, unless authorized for further withholding by the President of the United States. The 2017 date derives directly from the law that states:

Each assassination record shall be publicly disclosed in full, and available in the Collection no later than the date that is 25 years after the date of the enactment of this Act, unless the President certifies, as required by this Act, that –

(i) continued postponement is made necessary by an identifiable harm to military defense, intelligence operations, law enforcement or conduct of foreign relations; and

(ii) the identifiable harm is of such gravity that it outweighs the public interest in disclosure.

The Act was signed by President Bush on October 26, 1992, thus the final release date is October 26, 2017.

Some records related to grand jury information and tax return information will remain withheld, as specified in Sections 10 and 11 of the Collection Act.

Although the current President of the United States could authorize the non-disclosure of any documents in the collection, that action appears unlikely:

Few seem as excited about the release of the final batch of secret documents from the 1963 assassination of John F. Kennedy as the current occupant of the Oval Office. "The long anticipated release of the #JFKFiles will take place tomorrow," President Trump wrote on Twitter on Wednesday. "So interesting!"

Surely, then, it was just a coincidence that Mr. Trump posted that message while on Air Force One heading to, of all places, Dallas. Or was it? Fifty-three years and 11 months after the event that gave rise to a thousand conspiracy theories, the president even landed at Dallas Love Field Airport, where Kennedy's body was brought for the final flight home, and his motorcade came within a few miles of Dealey Plaza, where the fateful shots rang out.

[...] "Of all the presidents since 1963, this is the one who would mind the least if the release of these documents damaged the C.I.A. and the F.B.I., two organizations that he's very angry at at the moment," said Michael Beschloss, a presidential historian.


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  • (Score: 3, Informative) by takyon on Thursday October 26 2017, @06:06PM (23 children)

    by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Thursday October 26 2017, @06:06PM (#587910) Journal

    It seems that they are not out yet [npr.org]. They are taking their sweet time but I would expect it to be out within the next 3 hours.

    There are not expected to be any bombshells, although the CIA is lobbying the President not to release certain documents. But it will at least fuel the conspiracy book writers for a few years.

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  • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Thursday October 26 2017, @06:16PM (18 children)

    by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Thursday October 26 2017, @06:16PM (#587917) Journal

    Yeah, right.

    Each assassination record shall be publicly disclosed in full, . . . unless authorized for further withholding by the President of the United States.

    That "identifiable harm" part? Let me point out how far things have been stretched. Encryption is a munition. Photographing the police is, uh, something bad. The mis-named Patriot act. NSA snooping. Do you really think that "identifiable harm" can't be stretched to mean almost anything. Think of the children!

    Of course, it may be released. But if it is not, I for one will not be shocked by the withholding. It will merely confirm my cynicism. If it is released, what is in those records then may confirm my cynicism.

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    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by takyon on Thursday October 26 2017, @06:18PM (10 children)

      by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Thursday October 26 2017, @06:18PM (#587919) Journal

      You've got it all mixed up. Trump is giddy about the release and probably won't be withholding much of anything back.

      But the real truth wasn't written down and won't be in any of the documents.

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      • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Thursday October 26 2017, @06:28PM (3 children)

        by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Thursday October 26 2017, @06:28PM (#587926) Journal

        Maybe I have it mixed up, as you say. The records are released. So I am left to wonder what is in them that warranted withholding.

        the real truth wasn't written down and won't be in any of the documents.

        If true, I wouldn't be surprised. Not much would surprise me these days.

        Trump is giddy about the release

        Please Explain.

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        • (Score: 2) by takyon on Thursday October 26 2017, @06:33PM (2 children)

          by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Thursday October 26 2017, @06:33PM (#587927) Journal

          The records are released.

          I see no indication that they have been released yet.

          Please Explain.

          It's in the summary. Here's the paragraph I didn't quote:

          Somehow it feels only appropriate that the remaining papers from one of history’s most infamous mysteries would be made public by the administration of a president who dabbles in conspiracy theories himself. After all, it was Mr. Trump who during last year’s campaign suggested that the father of his Republican rival, Senator Ted Cruz of Texas, was somehow involved in the Kennedy assassination. And one of his longtime advisers, Roger J. Stone Jr., wrote a book blaming the killing on Lyndon B. Johnson.

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          • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Thursday October 26 2017, @08:11PM

            by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Thursday October 26 2017, @08:11PM (#587977) Journal

            I saw it below in another comment and jumped the gun.

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          • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Thursday October 26 2017, @08:12PM

            by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Thursday October 26 2017, @08:12PM (#587979) Journal

            Your explanation makes sense. I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume that Ted Cruz father was not involved in the assassination. But I guess we'll find out. If that is true, I will be surprised and wonder how Mr. Trump knew?

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      • (Score: 4, Insightful) by DeathMonkey on Thursday October 26 2017, @07:27PM (2 children)

        by DeathMonkey (1380) on Thursday October 26 2017, @07:27PM (#587958) Journal

        Trump is giddy about the release and probably won't be withholding much of anything back.

        Well, not on purpose at least. Failing due to incompetence, on the other hand....

      • (Score: 2) by Thexalon on Thursday October 26 2017, @09:17PM

        by Thexalon (636) on Thursday October 26 2017, @09:17PM (#587996)

        But the real truth wasn't written down

        Oh yes it was: The aliens keep very thorough records of such things!

        Then there's my favorite explanation: It's Dave Lister's fault [youtube.com]

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      • (Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Friday October 27 2017, @04:13PM (1 child)

        by DeathMonkey (1380) on Friday October 27 2017, @04:13PM (#588277) Journal

        You've got it all mixed up. Trump is giddy about the release and probably won't be withholding much of anything back.

        Turns out he was lying. Big surprise.

    • (Score: 2, Insightful) by khallow on Thursday October 26 2017, @06:35PM (5 children)

      by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday October 26 2017, @06:35PM (#587928) Journal
      I think the idea here will be that if there are shenanigans going on, these documents will reveal them indirectly. Would-be investigators aren't looking for signed confessions, buried evidence, or memos explicitly advocating the assassination, but subtler clues, like say, an investigation of certain, relevant figures which ends up dropped without explanation or reference to a piece of evidence which vanishes in the public records. We'll probably see a lot of intriguing false positives just due to the massive amount of materials as a result.
      • (Score: -1, Troll) by Ethanol-fueled on Thursday October 26 2017, @09:04PM (4 children)

        by Ethanol-fueled (2792) on Thursday October 26 2017, @09:04PM (#587994) Homepage

        Please please please papers, pleasy say the Jews did it. Please.

        • (Score: 2, Informative) by khallow on Thursday October 26 2017, @10:23PM (2 children)

          by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday October 26 2017, @10:23PM (#588025) Journal
          Unless the Jew in question happens to be Meyer Lansky [wikipedia.org], you'll probably be sorely disappointed. JFK had strong support from the Jewish community as a whole, due in large part to his stance on civil rights and maybe his family connections. But one of JFK's principle enemies was the Mafia due, so I understand, both due to Bobby Kennedy's aggressive crackdown on organized crime as the US Attorney General and to JFK's lack of success in reversing the Castro revolution (the Mafia had lost some valuable Cuban property after the Batista regime was overthrown by Castro in 1959). Lansky managed an influential Jewish faction of the Mafia (and as I understand it owned some of those Cuban properties) which would certainly have been capable of managing an assassination attempt of the US President. So he would have had some degree of motive. OTOH, he had a long track record of not making enemies or calling attention to himself. The assassination of a US president would be very high profile and risky.
          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 27 2017, @12:18AM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 27 2017, @12:18AM (#588069)

            Um, khallow? You know you are responding to Eth, do you not? I don't think it was a serious comment, it was Eth, racist anti-semitic Eth. Don't do this, khallow. You are making SoylentNews look bad.

            • (Score: 2, Informative) by khallow on Friday October 27 2017, @03:54AM

              by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Friday October 27 2017, @03:54AM (#588116) Journal

              You know you are responding to Eth, do you not? I don't think it was a serious comment, it was Eth, racist anti-semitic Eth.

              I sure do. I occasionally subscribe to the MDC school of calling a troll's bluff.

              You are making SoylentNews look bad.

              What exactly did I do? Reply to E-F as if he were serious? And why should that make SN look bad?

              Let us keep in mind that just like most other large groupings of people, Jews do contain a few people of extraordinary wickedness or ruthlessness. And the JFK assassination has these very fishy elements to it just because the assassin was killed before he could state his piece.

        • (Score: 2) by jmorris on Friday October 27 2017, @04:25AM

          by jmorris (4844) on Friday October 27 2017, @04:25AM (#588121)

          You may get your wish. Of course it is far too early for context or anything like that... Just something somebody noticed and posted.

          Image [windows.net]

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 26 2017, @08:06PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 26 2017, @08:06PM (#587975)

      > That "identifiable harm" part
      it tells it was inside job or incompetence in preventing an outside job. I guess all people and procedures published do not present harmful info.

  • (Score: 2, Informative) by Muad'Dave on Thursday October 26 2017, @06:19PM (3 children)

    by Muad'Dave (1413) on Thursday October 26 2017, @06:19PM (#587920)

    They're here [archives.gov].

    • (Score: 3, Informative) by takyon on Thursday October 26 2017, @06:24PM (2 children)

      by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Thursday October 26 2017, @06:24PM (#587925) Journal

      WRONG. Those are the July 2017 files. Those were there when I checked yesterday.

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      • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday October 27 2017, @02:22AM (1 child)

        by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Friday October 27 2017, @02:22AM (#588098) Journal

        First, a disclaimer: I haven't been keeping up with developments. I have just looked, for the first time, to see what there might be to see. I found the same link that Maud'Dave found - https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/2017-release [archives.gov]

        At first glance, it appears that those documents released in July are at that link, as well as documents released in October. The very first document in the list has an October release date -

        1 178-10004-10309 10/26/2017 In Part KISS/SCOW 06/05/1975
        [PDF] NOTES JUNE 1975 SCOWCROFT, BRENT P/K 5 JUNE 75 3 WH SCOWCROFT MEMCONS, HANDWRITTEN Aug/18/2017 Participants: Ford, Kissinger, Scowcroft. Handwritten notes. For typed transcript see ID# 1781000410297. 4

        Would you mind clicking the link again, to confirm that today's release is indeed there? Or, are they pulling some kind of fast one for the uninitiated?

        I will note that Trump has decided to withhold some smaller number of documents for a six month period, so it's not all there.