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posted by takyon on Friday October 27 2017, @11:15PM   Printer-friendly
from the freedonia dept.

This afternoon, Catalonia declared independence. At the same time, Spain invoked article 155, to strip Catalonia from its governing powers putting it under direct rule from the federal government. A vote for independence was raised in Catalonian parliament, with part of parliament leaving before the vote on independence started. The motion declaring independence was approved with 70 in favor, 10 against, and two abstentions of the normal 135 total.

From RT: https://www.rt.com/news/407956-catalan-parliament-votes-independence/
From Aljazeera: http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/10/catalan-parliament-begins-vote-independence-171027115908493.html
From BBC: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-41780116

It will be interesting to see how things unfold. In my opinion, Madrid using violence to stop a referendum gave it the legality they later claim the referendum didn't have. The lack of dialogue paved the way into the only possible outcome, Catalonia declaring independence and Madrid denying it. Whatever happens next, I hope will be peaceful. As to how the EU reacts, I'm hoping they ask for an official referendum, and whatever the outcome, pledges that both Catalonia and Spain will be able to remain in the EU if they desire. That may release tensions a bit.


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  • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 28 2017, @04:15AM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 28 2017, @04:15AM (#588561)

    Nationalism did not lead to WW1 or WW2. What lead to WW1 and WW2 were corrupt governments, and a willingness of violation of national soveriegnty. Nationalism is about soveriegnty for a people of a country. Violating that sovereignty is against nationalism. Its like how people have rights which are there own as independant beings, like free speech. If you get into a bar fight, we wouldn't blame it on their individual rights to things like free speech giving them the right to beat up other people. Being a free willed being doesnt give you the right to beat up other people and take away their free will. Most people do not want war. The people of the nations, have been cheated by corrupt governments and elitists. Governments are not nations. Nations are the people. People have been manipulated, abused, propogandized and cheated for a long time by corrupt governments to serve the elite. Now you are rewarding the elite and punishing the victims, if you blame the people of the nations.

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  • (Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday October 28 2017, @03:42PM

    by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Saturday October 28 2017, @03:42PM (#588701) Journal

    Violating that sovereignty is against nationalism.

    Only if you share the same nation. Being a nationalist doesn't mean that you respect other nations other than your own.

    What lead to WW1 and WW2 were corrupt governments, and a willingness of violation of national soveriegnty.

    Corruption is a vague term and a matter of degree. Every government is corrupt to some degree so in the absence of any more concrete criteria, we have the preconditions necessary for the next global war even though no such war has happened yet.