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President Trump meets Kim Jong Un
President Trump and North Korea's Kim Jong Un will meet in just a few hours. Here's what to watch for and when, according to the White House schedule.
- 8 p.m. ET (June 11) / 8 a.m. Singapore (June 12): President Trump departs Shangri-La Hotel en route to Capella Singapore, where the two leaders will meet.
- 8:20 p.m. ET (June 11) / 8:20 a.m. Singapore (June 12): Trump arrives at Capella Singapore.
- 9 p.m. ET (June 11) / 9 a.m. Singapore (June 12): President Trump and Kim Jong Un greet each other. This is the big moment. Cameras will be there to capture their expected handshake.
- 9:15 p.m. ET (June 11) / 9:15 a.m. Singapore (June 12): President Trump and Kim Jong Un participate in a one-on-one bilateral meeting.
- 10 p.m. ET (June 11) / 10 a.m. Singapore (June 12): President Trump and Kim Jong Un participate in an expanded bilateral meeting.
- 11:30 p.m. ET (June 11) / 11:30 a.m. Singapore (June 12): President Trump and Kim Jong Un have a working lunch.
- 4 a.m. ET (June 12) / 4 p.m. Singapore: President Trump is expected to speak with reporters.
- 6:30 a.m. ET / 6:30 p.m. Singapore: President Trump departs Capella Singapore for Paya Lebar Air Base Singapore.
- 7 a.m. ET / 7 p.m. Singapore: Trump departs Paya Lebar Air Base, Singapore, en route to Andersen Air Force Base, Guam. From there, he will travel on to the United States.
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(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 12 2018, @12:19AM (20 children)
Find the one where he says it won't happen. Maybe he's right... still got 45 minutes!
People like him need to hate because their own sense of righteousness is all wrapped up in being anti-Trump. They can't admit that he is doing wonderful things constantly. Meanwhile, their own heroes are corrupt as fuck, hellbent on destroying our nation for their own personal gain.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by edIII on Tuesday June 12 2018, @01:01AM (15 children)
LOL. Yeah, like there are no ethically based objections to Trump! He's such a fine gentleman right! LOL
Trump is NOT doing wonderful things constantly. Fucking hardly doing much of anything except golfing and getting the taxpayers to spend lavish amounts at his businesses and properties. You want Trump to get credit where credit is due? Well there ain't fucking much. Not only that, he continually flip flops in such a fashion, that you know that NONE of his positions are well thought out. It's all political to see what he can get. The whole guns and school shootings showed that. All over the map, until the money showed up (NRA) and they explained it to him. He promised legislation, then withdrew it, then promised it, etc.
I can give him props for anything not engaging in the globalist agenda. He fought the TPP, good job. He's negotiating more for US workers in trade, possibly good job. He's going about it like a complete fucking moron, but is at least fighting them. THAT's IT. Whatever good things is this asshole doing again? I mean other than the dog whistle bullshit to make the white nationalists and other assholes feel like their winning? I'm supposed to celebrate the wonderful things he does constantly, when he acts like a fucking toddler? When stopping men rightfully protesting police brutality, with the disingenuous bullshit that it's about national patriotism? Fucking no. That's not what is fucking important right now, but to the Toddler in Chief, that's numero uno on his short list. Fucking idiot.
He's famously refused to do ANY preparations for this meeting, saying that he will "wing it". That's just plain dumb stupid arrogance. It's NOT a wonderful thing that we have a belligerent toddler dealing with a true dictator with nuclear ambitions.
No. I won't give Trump any credit here, because all he has done is threaten North Korea and engage in childish middle school behavior with "My button is bigger". Yet, you Trump fanatics equate this with Reagan effectively winning the Cold War. Trump is no Reagan, not by a long shot. That was a real dealmaking President. Please. Just what wonderful things has Trump done lately again? Hmmmm?
If anything positive happens with North Korea, I will be giving Kimmie the credit for it. Why? He's doing more right now than just leveling insults and threats. This has been the most positive interaction between North Korea and South Korea since the fucking war. To say that it is all possible, simply because of the belligerence of one orange asshole in America, is just plain ignorant.
Two things have happened recently:
1) The suspected complete loss of the North Korean nuclear testing site, further complicated by extreme sanctions, budget problems, and parts of their population starving.
2) Donnie yelled a lot on Twitter and threatened them.
Yeah, #2 really isn't all that threatening given 50+ years of the same shit going back forth, with North Korea basically sounding like Trump. The credit that Trump gets? Being in the right place and right time in history to try and take credit for North Korea and South Korea finally working out their problems.
Saying Trump had anything constructively to do with peace in Korea, is about the same as giving credit to Biff Tannon for the invention of time travel. After all, he was the asshole motivating everyone right?
Technically, lunchtime is at any moment. It's just a wave function.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 12 2018, @03:08AM (5 children)
It's sad when reality itself no longer reaches the poor people afflicted with TDR. I wish you luck in getting better, but not in achieving power over others.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday June 12 2018, @06:02AM (4 children)
That's the defining symptom of all the "derangement syndromes" in the first place. If you have TDS or any of the other ones, of course reality isn't reaching you. As to the story, I have really low expectations both based on past North Korean and Chinese behavior and because it's Trump.
I'll believe it when I see it, maybe. Sure, there's potential for radical improvement in the region, but that's always been theoretically possible for the past 65 years. Didn't happen then.
(Score: 2) by frojack on Tuesday June 12 2018, @07:11AM (3 children)
Still pining for Hillary? Can you even vaguely imagine this happening on her watch?
Trump's shown yo what theoretical looks like. In spite of all the ankle biters with nothing to offer.
No, you are mistaken. I've always had this sig.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 12 2018, @07:40AM
Nobody's pining for Hillary. We're reminding you that North Korea is not trustworthy whatsoever and not to get your hopes up.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 12 2018, @04:40PM (1 child)
"Still pining for Hillary? Can you even vaguely imagine this happening on her watch?"
With or without every republican demanding her head for treason for even suggesting peace talks with North Korea?
(You know, the kind of things they were doing whenever this came up under Obama's watch. It's kinda hilarious how republicans will view any particular action depending ENTIRELY on whether or not it's a republican or a democrat suggesting it.)
(Score: 1) by schusselig on Tuesday June 12 2018, @08:34PM
ftfy
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 12 2018, @03:53AM
The real prep was that meeting between Chairman Xi and President Trump at Mar-a-lago. Trump convinced Xi that China should buy American coal instead of North Korean coal, among other things.
That right there is the dealmaking. Trump got Xi to act against North Korea. Trump deserves lots of credit for making Xi follow orders.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Phoenix666 on Tuesday June 12 2018, @02:47PM (1 child)
You say that like it's nothing. For the American middle class, or what remains of it, it's the entire game. We know Hillary would have instantly reversed her campaign promise on the matter and signed the TPP, a trade pact that was not even shown to members of Congress who were supposed to vote on it. That right there is so outrageous, so beyond the pale, that Obama, who set up that travesty, should be hanged for it.
As far as I'm concerned, Trump bought himself a lot of latitude for killing the TPP. Every other silly thing he tweets or postures on does not matter.
I don't want to burst your bubble, but all presidents "wing it." Even the ones you think are intelligent. Why? Because they have no time or bandwidth to do anything but wing it. Everyone on earth wants him to do something for them. So after he's done with photo ops and having sit-downs with kids from the Make a Wish Foundation, there is no time to read a thousand page document painfully composed by failed Ivy League English Lit. majors at State.
Really? Kim has fed his political enemies to packs of starving dogs as a form of capital punishment. That's who you're siding with? South Korea just impeached their president, jailed her, and jailed the head of Samsung for an incredibly massive corruption scandal. That's the far-sighted regime in the South you credit?
I get that you hate Trump, but come on.
He did more than that. He sent several carrier battlegroups to surround the Korean peninsula and had the bombers do test runs from Guam. He got sanctions tightened to the maximum. He spanked and shamed China for enabling Kim. It's called brinksmanship, and is a tactic of statecraft that is as old as the hills.
When Teddy Roosevelt did that, it resulted in Panama gaining independence from Colombia and allowing the Panama Canal to be built and controlled by the US. That in turn put the US in the very solid geo-strategic position it enjoyed when WWII rolled around a couple decades later. And, it's something all school kids in America read about now as an example of how you build national strength.
But, I get it, you hate Trump so none of that matters.
It's not my preference. I like to be clear, and appreciate when people are clear and thoughtful with me. But that does not mean keeping your negotiating partners off-balance is an illegitimate tactic. It does not necessarily mean that Trump does not know what he is doing. Maybe he doesn't, and maybe he does. But we won't know until we've had time to watch the outcomes.
It is an article of faith among historians that you need at least 20 years' perspective to judge any leader's actions fairly, so why should that be true for every other leader in history, but not for Trump? Why rush to judgement in his case, but not in any other?
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 2) by takyon on Tuesday June 12 2018, @04:16PM
I agree with a lot of what you wrote, except:
Phoenix666 wants to hang a black man!
I'm not faulting him 100% for this. Most of his political enemies are elites. When Kim Jong-il died, it was assumed that Jong-un's elders would run things. He may have done what he had to do in order to survive. In fact, his survival may have depended on him completely filling the power vacuum left by his father, and remaining top dog today. The cruel method of execution can be chalked up to scaring other potential threats within the military elites.
That's not to say that Jong-un is completely rational and justified. He is still likely cruel and paranoid, as we can see from him VXing his brother, who was far from a genuine political threat (maybe some intelligence service somewhere disagrees). He is still oppressing his people. But he may be somewhat more likely to politically reform North Korea down the line if he is guaranteed a lifeline (e.g. exile to Switzerland with a plane full of cash). The best hope for this diplomatic game is that Kim Jong-un isn't exactly like his father and grandfather. He can choose to go in a different direction.
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(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Tuesday June 12 2018, @03:04PM (1 child)
Sorry to double-respond to your post, but this was another point of yours that bears responding to. White nationalism is characterized, among other things, by anti-semitism. But I don't know that that charge really sticks to Trump. After all, his daughter converted to Judaism and his son-in-law has had a prominent role in his administration.
Further, Trump just did the most pro-Israel thing none of his predecessors dared, not even Jimmy Carter, which was to acknowledge Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. Personally, I think it was a horrible move but Jews love it because Israel ueber alles.
Lastly, Trump is ripping up the agreement with Iran to curb their nuclear development, which always was the cherished and central priority of Israeli national defense (that is, Israel opposed the Iran deal because they believed Iran would cheat).
So, it's a weird thing to accuse a guy of being a white nationalist who has given Jews 1000% of their policy priorities.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 2) by fritsd on Tuesday June 12 2018, @05:32PM
I believe that Avigdor Lieberman can be described as some kind of a "white nationalist", but I'd never call him an anti-semite, either.
So your statement depends on the premise "white nationalists are anti-semites", which I think is not always true, therefore "Trump is not a white nationalist because Trump is not an anti-semite" doesn't follow from it.
Even if he IS not an anti-semite (I agree, if your daughter becomes a jew and you keep good relations then you're not an anti-semite).
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday June 12 2018, @04:09PM (3 children)
Three things, actually. Someone recently pointed out that there was an impeachment in S. Korea. Politics in S. Korea changed as a result. I don't understand S. Korean politics, I know Jack about who is who. But, it's possible that progress toward a peaceful solution was blocked by S. Korea all along. Food for thought.
And, one more thing. You might want to wipe the foam from your mouth and chin, so that people don't think you're just another rabid Trump hater.
(Score: 2) by edIII on Tuesday June 12 2018, @08:40PM (1 child)
Your point about South Korea is noted. Somebody else pointed out China's influence.
I was just irked by the idiot lumping all dissent and negative comments against Trump in one irrational anti-Trump group. Then to top it off, started sounding like a rabid Trumpanzee, with, "Dear Leader can do no wrong. It's not wrong if Dear Leader does it.". That bullshit about doing wonderful things constantly. Uh, no. That just isn't true, and I certainly don't consider getting obsessed with Twitter and black athletes kneeling during the anthem to be worthy of a president, and evidence of a distraction from real world problems. His immaturity is a problem, and people from all sides have made comments about that in Washington. If we were to be honest.
He's mostly bad at the moment with his bullshit, but has done some sparingly good things mostly related to trade. The rest of it, like the tax bill, is up for debate. If I take away the partisan stuff, what's left is an orange asshole embarrassing us in front of the world with his belligerent behavior. If he was a true deal maker, and master businessman, he would be more like Bill Gates and Warren Buffet than Andrew Dice Clay.
I understand from the other side (that being a Trump supporter) that Trump does not look apoplectic as he does, especially when he is accomplishing at least part of the Republican agenda. Still, there has been a lot of questionable bullshit, some outright lies. Did you really expect him to be this petulant once taking office? He's a sore winner that can't get over crowd size for fuck's sake. It's outright ego to make Mexico pay for the wall, especially when it's so outlandish that he thinks the US has that kind of unilateral power with another nation. If the US did enough bullshit, we could also be removed from the G-7.
He's done some positive things, some things we expect of a US president anyways, but he is not as wonderful as described. When it comes to this Korea situation, I'll give credit where credit is due. We'll see what his contributions are beyond yelling on Twitter.
Technically, lunchtime is at any moment. It's just a wave function.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday June 13 2018, @01:16AM
Actually - I didn't expect it, but it doesn't surprise me.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 12 2018, @11:10PM
Amazing!!! Something else Runaway1954 does not know! Will the shocking revelations ever cease? Doesn't stop him from posting, however. Got to keep those rubles rolling in.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Tuesday June 12 2018, @05:57PM
find that DeathMonkey comment for me ... Find the one where he says it won't happen.
Nope, wasn't me, you must be thinking about Trump: "Therefore, please let this letter serve to represent that the Singapore summit, for the good of both parties, but to the detriment of the world, will not take place." -- Donald Trump
(Score: 2) by pvanhoof on Tuesday June 12 2018, @06:03PM (2 children)
As a European who´s in a multinational team (Germans, Britons (of the kind who are not pro-Brexit), Dutch and Belgian) I can tell you that the clown show that Trump did last G7 did not come over well.
I think it´s safe to say that the US has actually lost its allies in the EU last week. People are really not amused over here.
Just saying.
But if you want to stay believing that this Trump clown isn´t harming the United States, then go right ahead.
(Score: 1, Touché) by Sulla on Tuesday June 12 2018, @06:42PM (1 child)
Then fuck Europe. If they tariff us they can't claim we are threatening our friendship by not tariffing in return. If they were friends we would have no tariffs. I think Trump and his rhetoric was too far but europe needs to stop acting like an angel.
Ceterum censeo Sinae esse delendam
(Score: 1) by Sulla on Wednesday June 13 2018, @12:05AM
- Europe
And when you complain about it they say you are the guilty one
Ceterum censeo Sinae esse delendam