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posted by takyon on Tuesday June 12 2018, @12:12AM   Printer-friendly
from the launch-coded dept.

President Trump meets Kim Jong Un

President Trump and North Korea's Kim Jong Un will meet in just a few hours. Here's what to watch for and when, according to the White House schedule.

  • 8 p.m. ET (June 11) / 8 a.m. Singapore (June 12): President Trump departs Shangri-La Hotel en route to Capella Singapore, where the two leaders will meet.
  • 8:20 p.m. ET (June 11) / 8:20 a.m. Singapore (June 12): Trump arrives at Capella Singapore.
  • 9 p.m. ET (June 11) / 9 a.m. Singapore (June 12): President Trump and Kim Jong Un greet each other. This is the big moment. Cameras will be there to capture their expected handshake.
  • 9:15 p.m. ET (June 11) / 9:15 a.m. Singapore (June 12): President Trump and Kim Jong Un participate in a one-on-one bilateral meeting.
  • 10 p.m. ET (June 11) / 10 a.m. Singapore (June 12): President Trump and Kim Jong Un participate in an expanded bilateral meeting.
  • 11:30 p.m. ET (June 11) / 11:30 a.m. Singapore (June 12): President Trump and Kim Jong Un have a working lunch.
  • 4 a.m. ET (June 12) / 4 p.m. Singapore: President Trump is expected to speak with reporters.
  • 6:30 a.m. ET / 6:30 p.m. Singapore: President Trump departs Capella Singapore for Paya Lebar Air Base Singapore.
  • 7 a.m. ET / 7 p.m. Singapore: Trump departs Paya Lebar Air Base, Singapore, en route to Andersen Air Force Base, Guam. From there, he will travel on to the United States.

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  • (Score: 1, Troll) by Ethanol-fueled on Tuesday June 12 2018, @12:55AM (16 children)

    by Ethanol-fueled (2792) on Tuesday June 12 2018, @12:55AM (#691702) Homepage

    Kim Ching-Chong is in a worse position than Trump. Trumps numerous domestic enemies know they can't take him out like the impending coup against the Kim Ching-Chong will.

    This is why functioning countries need alternative outlets like Breitbart. Because even if Breitbart was run deliberately by fifth-columnists, at least they can operate in the open. North-Korean media cannot dissent without being discovered and disappeared. Sure, there are a lot of folks trying to take Trump out, but Trump is a master troll. If he has to, he will use Twitter to constantly remind everybody of those things he can't go into in greater detail, such as the Debbie Wasserman-Schultz scandal with the Awan brothers. He may or may not know the whole story, but he can let others guess what is going on, and pour gasoline on the fire of the common American's distrust of Emperor Baraq Hussein Soetoro and even the Republican chickenhawks who preceeded him.

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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by c0lo on Tuesday June 12 2018, @01:03AM (15 children)

    by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday June 12 2018, @01:03AM (#691707) Journal

    Kim Ching-Chong is in a worse position than Trump. Trumps numerous domestic enemies know they can't take him out like the impending coup against the Kim Ching-Chong will.

    Disregard China at your own peril.
    Bashar stayed on with Putin support (Russia need those naval bases on Mediterranean Sea).
    Kim will stay on as long as Xi see him useful - which may be quite a long time.

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
    • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Ethanol-fueled on Tuesday June 12 2018, @01:24AM (4 children)

      by Ethanol-fueled (2792) on Tuesday June 12 2018, @01:24AM (#691721) Homepage

      Disagreed. China's got their own designs, especially in the financial opportunities which come with Westernizing. I'm sure they see Kim as both a liability and opportunity just as much as America sees it as the same way.

      Trump is not Hillary. He probably sees North Korea as an opportunity to open a bitchin' golf resort for his own people rather than the military industrial complex which is wasting taxpayer dollars, and maybe North Korea wants some nice tourist dollars in exchange for not executing tourists.

      Besides, we all know the Kim family secretly admires American culture. They love the bad haircuts that our grade-school students had 30 years ago, and Kim I'm sure also loves McDonald's and watches Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles I and II on a regular basis. This is low-hanging fruit for Trump to pull. The question is whether or not Trump himself will ruin it with his belligerence, or whether or not warmongers like Bolton will ruin it with, erm, warmonger stuff.

      • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Tuesday June 12 2018, @01:55AM (2 children)

        by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday June 12 2018, @01:55AM (#691743) Journal

        China's got their own designs, especially in the financial opportunities which come with Westernizing.

        Financial opportunities which value nothing in the relation with USA if US starts a tariff war - in this relation, those are more like liabilities.

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        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
        • (Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday June 12 2018, @06:05AM (1 child)

          by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday June 12 2018, @06:05AM (#691799) Journal

          if US starts a tariff war

          Not much of a tariff war at present. We'll see if it gets past the bluster stage.

          • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Tuesday June 12 2018, @06:32AM

            by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday June 12 2018, @06:32AM (#691804) Journal

            Yeap, many ifs on the way.

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            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
      • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 12 2018, @02:03PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 12 2018, @02:03PM (#691898)

        Even if China hates Kim's guts they do not lose by allowing a win for Trump. Russia already has this figured out: The more incompetent our government is, the better off it is for them. China most likely did also.
        If things fall apart China wins. If a deal is cut China wins.
        China and Russia are long term strategic thinkers up against someone who thinks it is well considered to just "wing it." Both are already structured for win-win with no options that don't favor each of them separately.

    • (Score: 3, Informative) by PartTimeZombie on Tuesday June 12 2018, @01:55AM (1 child)

      by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Tuesday June 12 2018, @01:55AM (#691744)

      There's not much point engaging EF, he doesn't understand and won't accept any other points of view.

      • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Tuesday June 12 2018, @02:00AM

        by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday June 12 2018, @02:00AM (#691747) Journal

        There's not much point engaging EF, he doesn't understand and won't accept any other points of view.

        Rarely, granted, but now and then he does take his arguments seriously and, accepting them or not, does consider a other point of views.

        Besides, he's not the only one that read those comments.

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        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday June 12 2018, @03:45PM (7 children)

      by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday June 12 2018, @03:45PM (#691960) Journal

      In one of the 'There will be war' books, there is a short take, called 'Make the Tigers Fight'. It points out that the Soviet instigated the war in Korea, promising support to North Korea. At about the same time, the Soviet promised support to the Chinese communists. At later points, the Soviet promised support to Ho Chi Minh, and also had something to do with stirring up the Khmer Rouge.

      You are perfectly right, "Disregard China at your own peril." But, Russia has experience at playing China, and the rest of Asia, like an old worn fiddle.

      I rather doubt that Russia would have Kim disposed of - but it's a possibility. More likely, Russia probably still considers Kimmie to be a useful tool.

      • (Score: 3, Informative) by c0lo on Tuesday June 12 2018, @04:14PM (6 children)

        by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday June 12 2018, @04:14PM (#691977) Journal

        Not discounting Russia, but since then China had taken the lead, at least in Asia.

        Unlike the former USSR, China knows how to wait, and actively and "glove-handed" while at it.
        But once is set in position it's nigh to impossible to move them.
        Look at the South China Sea - US bussied itself with Iraq, then Afghanistan, then Libya, the Syria and haven't been paying enough attention to those artificial islands. Ooopsie!

        Same goes on with Africa [pri.org], letting aside the Obock base:

        A similar perspective just so happens to be held by China, which — having invested huge amounts in East Africa, especially in Ethiopia, one of the world’s fastest growing economies — wants to be able to protect its interests and investments throughout sub-Saharan Africa.

        China’s investment stock in Africa surpassed $30 billion in 2014 — 60 times more than 2000 levels — while over a million Chinese are thought to have migrated to the continent to seek out economic opportunities.
        ...
        Djibouti is also receiving more than $12 billion of investment from China for new ports and airports rising from the sands, and what is being touted as the biggest and most dynamic free trade zone in Africa.

        “We’ve been criticized for working with the Chinese, but they are doing business everywhere, it’s not just with us,” says Mohammed Ali, the secretary-general at Djibouti’s Foreign Ministry. “And if other countries are not investing here, what do you want us to do?”

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        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 12 2018, @05:31PM (5 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 12 2018, @05:31PM (#692012)

          Why should people in the US care about the south china sea and africa? Its not their problem. Your entire premise seems to be that the US military should be active all around the world. Why?

          • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Tuesday June 12 2018, @11:30PM (4 children)

            by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday June 12 2018, @11:30PM (#692147) Journal

            Your entire premise seems to be that the US military should be active all around the world. Why?

            The US military is actively [voanews.com] challenging [voanews.com] the Chinese in South China Sea.
            And US dreamed of pushing back [defenseone.com] the presence of the Chinese base in Obock.

            Maybe you have to have a word with them, tell them they shouldn't.

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            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
            • (Score: 1) by Sulla on Wednesday June 13 2018, @12:09AM (3 children)

              by Sulla (5173) on Wednesday June 13 2018, @12:09AM (#692157) Journal

              Many people did and the answer was Trump. Not since Carter has anyone in the executive proposed withdrawing from South Korea.

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              Ceterum censeo Sinae esse delendam