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President Trump meets Kim Jong Un
President Trump and North Korea's Kim Jong Un will meet in just a few hours. Here's what to watch for and when, according to the White House schedule.
- 8 p.m. ET (June 11) / 8 a.m. Singapore (June 12): President Trump departs Shangri-La Hotel en route to Capella Singapore, where the two leaders will meet.
- 8:20 p.m. ET (June 11) / 8:20 a.m. Singapore (June 12): Trump arrives at Capella Singapore.
- 9 p.m. ET (June 11) / 9 a.m. Singapore (June 12): President Trump and Kim Jong Un greet each other. This is the big moment. Cameras will be there to capture their expected handshake.
- 9:15 p.m. ET (June 11) / 9:15 a.m. Singapore (June 12): President Trump and Kim Jong Un participate in a one-on-one bilateral meeting.
- 10 p.m. ET (June 11) / 10 a.m. Singapore (June 12): President Trump and Kim Jong Un participate in an expanded bilateral meeting.
- 11:30 p.m. ET (June 11) / 11:30 a.m. Singapore (June 12): President Trump and Kim Jong Un have a working lunch.
- 4 a.m. ET (June 12) / 4 p.m. Singapore: President Trump is expected to speak with reporters.
- 6:30 a.m. ET / 6:30 p.m. Singapore: President Trump departs Capella Singapore for Paya Lebar Air Base Singapore.
- 7 a.m. ET / 7 p.m. Singapore: Trump departs Paya Lebar Air Base, Singapore, en route to Andersen Air Force Base, Guam. From there, he will travel on to the United States.
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President Trump Set to Meet Kim Jong-un at 9 PM EDT (01:00 UTC, 9 AM Singapore)
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(Score: 5, Interesting) by digitalaudiorock on Tuesday June 12 2018, @01:05AM (13 children)
Here's my take on the situation:
I think Kim Jong Un has always had one single motivation when it comes to his military power...nuclear or otherwise. That's to simply create a situation where other nations including the U.S. simply don't dare try to pull a "Sadam Hussein" on him, as it could cause the total destruction of that part of the world. Staying in power...period...end of story. Unfortunately, even just based on their non-nuclear military, he arguably accomplished that a long time ago. This motivation tells me that the odds of him disarming to any great extent...let alone anything close to "de-nuclearlization" has a probability near zero. The only thing guaranteed in these talks is the PR boost it gives Kim Jong Un and the fact that it legitimizes one of the most repressive dictatorships in the world by putting him next to POTUS more or less as equals.
Frankly I think previous administrations of both parties understood this, and this administration...one that seems to thing it's too fucking smart to need a functional state department...doesn't.
I could be proven wrong but I doubt I will beyond some insane spin that will no doubt come out of this. I guess I'm part of those "haters and loosers" Trump's apparently ranting about tonight (just in case there were any doubts that we've put a high school child in charge of the free world).
(Score: 2, Insightful) by physicsmajor on Tuesday June 12 2018, @01:47AM (9 children)
If you think the State department has been functional as an actual agent of the United States of America, and not an influence peddling slush fund for the Clintons et al for the entirety of recent memory, I've got a few lovely bridges to sell you.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by digitalaudiorock on Tuesday June 12 2018, @02:43PM (6 children)
Everyone's jumping on the Trumpian logic that the State Department and all agencies are just useless "career bureaucrats" etc. No possible way are there actually people there who've spent their careers understanding foreign policy and it's implications etc. Who needs that when we have a fucking genius in office who doesn't need to prepare and "has a feeling" right? The end result is an administration that clearly hasn't a fucks clue what's going on the world and they prove it at every turn. But yea..."slush fund for the Clintons"...we'll go with that...whatever.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Phoenix666 on Tuesday June 12 2018, @03:21PM (2 children)
The State Department is populated by the children, relatives, and associates of the power-elite in the United States. They are there to grease the wheels of graft for self-same.
That's at the granular- to mid-level of diplomatic activity. The macro-level of diplomacy, policy direction and all that, are not determined by diplomats but by Congress and the President, who are themselves extensions of the power-elite.
And all of that is a complex of the self-interest and egos of the power-elite, which is only reified to "policy" and "strategy" for the purposes of public consumption, to continue to lull the meatbags who trudge off to their 9-to-5 jobs and stupidly pay taxes, like cattle, into thinking that somebody in the federal government knows what they're doing. They don't. None of them do.
That is reality, and it is vast and sobering.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 12 2018, @06:19PM (1 child)
More and more I'm thinking you've just been a long dormant sleeper account. Make a HUGE stink as a liberal then slowly walk back until you're a neo-con. You're most of the way to parroting Libertarian garbage already. Also it makes sense with your constant Clinton bashing during the election run-up.
Who knows what is really going on with so many fake personas running around the net these days, but your transition has been a weird one to observe.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 12 2018, @08:29PM
Ok, I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed this.
I'd like to think that Soylent is too small....
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday June 14 2018, @01:36AM (2 children)
US policy has failed to achieve it's goals for the past 60 years. Trump does something different, and suddenly we're closer to seeing the goal achieved. Trump hasn't achieved a touchdown, but he's got a first down and ten, ass opposed to 4th down and 40.
(Score: 2) by digitalaudiorock on Thursday June 14 2018, @11:53PM (1 child)
Holy crap. We most certainly are not. What's changed besides nothing? The way I see it here's where it stands:
1. There's no way Kim's ever coming close to de-nuclearization.
2. Even if he claimed he was it would almost surely be unverifiable. They've been building underground bunkers all over the country to hide all the weapons for decades.
3. His conventional weapons and massive army pose a huge threat anyway.
4. Even if none of the above were true, and the did de-nuclearize, and we opened up trade etc, all we've done is to let him use his nuclear weapons to strong arm us into giving one of the worlds worst dictators a complete pass on all of his human rights violations.
Even the BEST possible pipe dream case is huge looser for us and the world and a win win for Kim. Lucky for Trump his followers won't look past the photo-ops and will be calling for a fucking Nobel Piece prize.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday June 15 2018, @01:20AM
I seem to recall a recent past president, and a country called Cuba, in which we gave them everything they wanted, and demanded nothing in return.
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Tuesday June 12 2018, @03:10PM
Thank you for point that out.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 12 2018, @03:11PM
So where are those bridges? Going to build some?
As a "physicsmajor" it's rather ironic how you can jump to your own predetermined conclusions without any evidence. SAD!
(Score: 2) by arslan on Tuesday June 12 2018, @03:40AM (1 child)
The only reason the U.S. haven't already pulled "Sadam Hussein" on them is because of China. Trump of course has a lot less reserve in respecting that status quo, whether deliberately or just being batshit crazy depends on your own political posture and biases.
The change in NK's posture recently is also because of China. The moment Xi consolidated his power and summoned Kim, it pretty much says China is no longer just the passive Big Brother standing behind NK - they can make (prevent other pulling a Sadam like you say on them) or break NK (China themselves pull the Sadam on NK). Whether Trump has a part in nudging Chairman Xi is anyone's guess.
Anything or nothing that happens from here on forward with respect to NK will be at the behest and interest of China. The US and rest of the world can only try to see if they can get anything out of it. If Trump is the ruthlessly smart businessman that some say he is, he probably understands this. Things are starting to change/move, which is a lot better than the stagnant stalemate talk-fest of the past decades.
Sometimes volatility is good after long periods of stagnation, it at least gives the smart an opportunity to make/get something out of it.
(Score: 4, Interesting) by Phoenix666 on Tuesday June 12 2018, @03:23PM
That's an astute read of China's role.
I'd say it's signaling the start of the next phase of China's quest for world domination.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 2) by Reziac on Wednesday June 13 2018, @04:08AM
Maybe, maybe not. I'm guessing the Trump-Kim negotiation went something like this:
Trump: If you denuke, we'll help with your economic development. NK could be even greater than SK! And we'll make sure no one attacks you.
Kim: Sounds good! where do I sign?
Especially since Kim's body language indicates he views Trump as a mentor.
And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.