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LA Paramedics Told Not To Transport Some Patients With Low Chance Of Survival:
The Los Angeles County Emergency Medical Services Agency issued a directive Monday that ambulance crews should only administer bottled oxygen to patients whose oxygen saturation levels fall below 90%.
In a separate memo from the county's EMS Agency, paramedic crews have been told not to transfer patients who experience cardiac arrest unless spontaneous circulation can be restored on the scene.
Both measures announced Monday, which were issued by the agency's medical director, Dr. Marianne Gausche-Hill, were taken in an attempt to get ahead of an expected surge to come following the winter holidays.
Many hospitals in the region "have reached a point of crisis and are having to make very tough decisions about patient care," Dr. Christina Ghaly, the LA County director of health services said at a briefing Monday.
[...] "We do not believe that we are yet seeing the cases that stemmed from the Christmas holiday," Ghaly added. "This, sadly, and the cases from the recent New Year's holiday, is still before us, and hospitals across the region are doing everything they can to prepare."
Los Angeles County hospitals are so inundated, officials said they're just trying to provide the best care they can for the people who need it.
The memo sent out on December 28 by the medical director of L.A. County's Emergency Medical Services agency, Dr. Marianne Gausche-Hill, addressed how first responders should treat stroke and heart attack patients, saying a patient should be treated at the scene first and have a pulse during resuscitation before transporting them to the hospital.
[...] The medical director of L.A. County's Emergency Services Agency, Dr. Marianne Gausche-Hill, assured CBS2 that officials continue to do all they can to save patients' lives at the scene and the hospital, as they always have.
"We are not abandoning resuscitation," Gausche-Hill said. "We are absolutely doing best practice resuscitation and that is do it in the field, do it right away... What we're asking is that — which is slightly different than before — is that we are emphasizing the fact that transporting these patients arrested leads to very poor outcomes.
(Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 05 2021, @08:17PM (45 children)
Fair would be to ration care based on what you did to get sick.
Prefer those who made an effort to stay well and were unlucky.
Defer those who made an effort to flaunt the rules.
Need a bed in the ICU? Just find footage of a guy with a bed having a great time at a maskless party.
No matter how stupid folks are, I don't want to live in a world like that.
Even if Darwin says we shouldn't, we have a responsibility to all.
So ration according to need and expectation of a good outcome.
I think I am ok with some community service and reparations for unnecesary actual, direct cost to the community, though.
So write tickets for attending parties.
Cost is $1 if all is well.
Cost is your hospital bill if not.
(Score: 5, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 05 2021, @08:23PM
Well I guess that's one way to implement a jobs program. Unemployed people can comb social media for evidence of wrongdoing. Pay them a bounty for every bed they free up.
(Score: 2) by Grishnakh on Tuesday January 05 2021, @08:50PM (23 children)
Need a bed in the ICU? Just find footage of a guy with a bed having a great time at a maskless party.
No matter how stupid folks are, I don't want to live in a world like that.
Even if Darwin says we shouldn't, we have a responsibility to all.
Why do we have as much responsibility to those who cause more problems for society than to those who did nothing exceptional or unwarranted to get sick?
What about people in prison? If someone does something stupid (called a "crime"), as a society we apprehend these people, to prevent them from causing further harm to society, and we isolate them in "prisons". Bad actions carry negative consequences.
If we're willing to throw people in prison as punishment for breaking rules, then why not do the same who flout the rules about mask-wearing and quarantining and social distancing? Why should people who break the rules get off scot-free, and worse, be allowed to murder other innocent people by taking up valuable healthcare/hospital resources they need?
(Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 05 2021, @09:05PM (13 children)
You are assuming that if you of superior morality (follow all your Leader's commandments), you will never get sick. If you do get sick though, obviously it was the devil (unmasked people) who gave it to you. This is the mental response to the mental crisis caused by believing the only people to catch COVID are those who deserve it.
Newsflash: You can still catch the virus even while wearing a mask, and with no unclean people in sight. It's a respiratory virus. Even animals have been found to harbor the virus, and nobody had yet been able to make all the dogs, cats, squirrels, and bats wear masks.
(Score: 0, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 05 2021, @09:30PM (9 children)
Woooow you trumptarded magats are so dumb. Lovin' that "Leader's commandments" bit, as if people wearing masks are only doing so because Biden told them to and not because it is the advice of medical professionals O.o
Newsflash: You are really stupid.
(Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 05 2021, @09:58PM (8 children)
Whatever pal. Respiratory viruses spread among the general population until enough people have caught it or have been vaccinated.
Remember the goal was always to "Slow the spread", not "Stop the spread." Because the latter is not possible with little paper face masks. And if the masks really DID stop the virus, why are you worried about catching it if you always wear yours? Do admit it is WEAK SAUCE?
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 05 2021, @10:40PM (6 children)
You are some special kind of stupid when you are pointing out how the whole point is supposed to be "slow the spread" and this story is exactly about not enough resources because it spread too quickly.
Funny how for over 100 years they've had to wear masks in the operating room. Who knew that after all this time that it we've been infringing upon the doctor and nurse's freedoms! Me, personally, would greatly prefer the nurse to not sneeze into my open chest cavity during surgery. Now I wonder what the similarities are between the two situations?
As I said, you really are a special kind of stupid. Not only stupid, but very vocally proud that you're stupid. As my momma always said, . . .
(Score: 0, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 05 2021, @10:58PM (5 children)
Masks in the operating room stop transfer of bacteria-laden saliva.
Mask manufacturers specifically state they are not for the prevention of virus transmission, as viruses are many times smaller than bacteria. You have been educated fool.
(Score: 2, Informative) by epitaxial on Wednesday January 06 2021, @01:24AM (4 children)
You're a fucking moron if you think the virus itself flies through the air. The virus is contained in saliva or mucus which is easily stopped by a cloth mask.
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 06 2021, @02:43AM (1 child)
To be fair COVID is airborn as well in the breath to some degree, however even if some virus particles get through the mask it drastically reduces the radius of virus loaded exhalations. This means the people around you are less likely to inhale the virus before it disperses enough to not be a major threat, especially if people maintain social distancing. The AC is just a rabid anti-masker
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 06 2021, @05:57PM
I'm not a rabid anti-masker. I am just not a rabid pro-masker. Can you comprehend the difference?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 06 2021, @08:24PM (1 child)
not it's not stopped by a cloth mask because you put your grubby little paws on the mask 400 times a day and then touch everything in sight like a 5 year old at the toy store. wake up, you retarded slave.
(Score: 2) by epitaxial on Thursday January 07 2021, @05:31PM
All of that is perfectly acceptable. But unlike you I can keep my fingers out of my mouth and nose.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 05 2021, @11:33PM
That's why they teach the sheep that their own virus protection depends on a third person (you) wearing a comfort rag. That it is that evil other person (you) not wearing the rag who got you testing hot / getting sick.
Otherwise they could think that their chances may be improved by doubling or tripling up on the rags.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 05 2021, @11:42PM
Papayas too, I heard.
(Score: 5, Funny) by Tork on Wednesday January 06 2021, @12:35AM
I take it your brain doesn't support floating point math, just boolean, huh.
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(Score: 2) by Magic Oddball on Wednesday January 06 2021, @01:38AM
There's no reason to. Dogs & cats can't transmit the virus to humans in spite of being capable of catching it from us, and the solution with wild animals is just to stay away from them, which people should be doing anyway.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by HiThere on Tuesday January 05 2021, @09:05PM (8 children)
Darwin didn't say that. He said that's the way species interactions happened in nature. The "Social Darwinist"s profoundly misrepresented what he said. Many of them intentionally, and for their own profit. Some, however, seem to have done it purely because they didn't like anyone who wasn't a wealthy white male of (pick a nation, there's lots of choices).
P.S.: Even so, Darwin profoundly underestimated the complexity of the behavioral rules. So has everyone who's written anything accessible on the topic...and many who only wrote for a professional audience. The intersection of Game Theorists, Geneticists, and Ethologists is nearly a null set...and you probably need to add a few more specialties in there to cover the full range of interactions.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 05 2021, @09:55PM (7 children)
Social Darwinists aren't always racists, many just want an excuse for their narcissism and for punishing/justifying mistreatment of the homeless, poor, race, culture. Still basic bigotry, but not always race related.
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 06 2021, @01:47AM (2 children)
I say let the southerners inbreed themselves out of the gene pool.
Or is that racist? "Southern" is a race, right?
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 06 2021, @02:47AM
It is stupid prejudiced bigotry, you don't need to stop being angry at racist assholes but delving into your own type of hatred isn't much better especially if you make the same mistake of generalizing entire populations.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 06 2021, @03:10AM
There are only two races. Us and Them.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 06 2021, @04:05AM (1 child)
They absolutely are. Social Darwinism is pretty closely related to Naziism and eugenics. People claiming otherwise are either ignorant or liars.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 06 2021, @08:26PM
"nazi" is a Jew slur and there's nothing wrong with voluntary eugenics.
(Score: 2) by ChrisMaple on Wednesday January 06 2021, @05:37AM (1 child)
Have you even bothered to read any of Herbert Spencer's works, or are you just spouting what your fever-fantasy image of Social Darwinism is? It's not simple and it's not vile.
(Score: 2) by HiThere on Thursday January 07 2021, @01:34AM
You're correct, I've never bothered to read any of his works. I haven't read much on evolution written before 1960, and don't consider it likely to be worthwhile. So if you've found a "Social Darwinist" who isn't there because of some variety of bigotry, I'll accept your word for it. I only read Darwin because he was the source. Do remember that Darwin's evolution was before genetics was known outside of a monastery.
P.S.: FWIW many people whose opinions I respect did not consider Spencer's interpretation to be sound even before the "new synthesis" put a solid foundation under "main-stream evolutionary theory". I do admit that prior to the new synthesis the theoretical interpretations of evolution were quite shaky, but the evidence hasn't changed (only expanded, deepened, and gotten richer). And his theories are reported to not follow the then existing evidence....so he must have had some other reason for them. You are free to impute any motives that you feel appropriate, but they need to be consistent with the selection of evidence that he made.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 05 2021, @10:02PM (11 children)
Except it goes like this,
1. parents tell kids to stay home
2. kid sneaks outs to visit friends
3. kid gets a cold
4. everyone gets sick
5. dad needs ICU bed.
so, the dad is dead because the kid broke the rules?
There is no need to ration anything if you did things properly like China. 85% of the people will follow the rules. Only need to worry about the 15% of the idiots out there that are spreading it. There will be another 25% of fucking idiots because they are fucking idiots, not because they ignore the rules.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 05 2021, @10:16PM (6 children)
Sure, let's do things properly.
Just like China.
First thing, we change the constitution to give the federal government vastly more direct power to interfere with people's daily lives, cost and circumstances be damned ...
... actually, let's just stop there until you figure that out. I want a draft amendment on here, and on change.org.
Let's see it. Put up, or shut up.
(Score: 1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 05 2021, @10:45PM (3 children)
You mean like overturning the results in a State election?
Sending Federal troops into a State against the explicit objection of the governor?
Calling for Martial Law and have the military "rerun" elections, but only in populous states won by a particular party?
And you're fucking crying about being ASKED to cover your mouth and nose with a piece of cloth??? Let's hope you aren't one of those ignorant asshats who really believe that they are the real followers of the Constitution (but I sadly think you are that much of a dumbass).
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 06 2021, @12:47AM
I'm not crying about anything. I work in food. I cover up.
This isn't about that; it's about getting the US federal government the power to behave like the way that the chinese government does, which is purportedly the right way to do things.
Let's see that draft amendment.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 06 2021, @08:34PM (1 child)
i didn't vote for trump, but your disgusting party stole the election with fraudulent ballots and voting machine tampering/rigging. It's time to let brand America go. There is no America anymore. The America you remember was White America. It's success so far was due to it's White super majority. As the white population dwindles, so does "America's" success. Whites need to wake up and realize they have been brainwashed into self destruction by the Jews and selfish race-traitor whites. They are shipping in non-whites into every white majority country to destroy the white race once and for all. Their murder of 100+ million in WWI and WWII was just one battle in the ongoing ancient blood feud.
(Score: 3, Informative) by HiThere on Thursday January 07 2021, @01:44AM
On what evidence do you believe that? Hearsay is not evidence. Neither is some anonymous poster on the web. (And I won't accept the word of Trump for anything. He lies more often than he speaks.)
I generally accept the word of judges when speaking ex-officio about matters of fact rather than judgements of law. And I generally accept that those are reported with "reasonable accuracy". Also lawyers when speaking under oath in court (though not at a press conference).
WRT civil service officials I tend to be a bit skeptical. In my experience they generally try to do their job, but often slack off a bit, and will say what they feel they need to to CYA. So more reliable than politicians or used car salesmen...but definitely need back-up facts.
P.S.: That Texas official still hasn't paid over that million dollar reward for finding fraudulent votes, even though they were found. Too bad the fraudulent votes were in favor of Trump.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 05 2021, @11:35PM (1 child)
Don't forget sentencing people to prison for inciting panic in people with "fake news" about the virus.
Yeah, China is so great!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 06 2021, @02:50AM
Inciting panic? Aww, did someone go without toilet paper for a few days?
(Score: 2) by driverless on Tuesday January 05 2021, @11:32PM (2 children)
Not in the US they won't, because it's been turned into a cult loyalty issue. I know the Russians weren't directly responsible for this, but man, if I was Russian and the US hadn't already done it to themselves I'd be making this my #1 priority.
In the meantime, Trump is off to play golf in Scotland. I guess the more usual practice of playing the fiddle was beyond him.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 06 2021, @01:54AM
No he's not. They told him to fuck off; his golf isn't "essential". Theydon't want him in Scotland [nytimes.com], they don't want him in Florida [nytimes.com], and they sure as hell don't want him in New York.
Actually, maybe he should go to New York and try his proposed 5th Ave stunt. Without the Secret Service protecting him. Yeah, that's probably what he should do.
(Score: 2) by HiThere on Thursday January 07 2021, @01:48AM
I'm not sure. I suspect Trump of being, at least indirectly, a Russian agent. I suspect that he owes a bunch of money to companies controlled by Putin, and has been trying to get those debts cancelled. But I admit this is only suspicion. I'm not enough of an accountant to be certain even if I had the paperwork in hand. (It may have involved Deutsche Bank AG. There's lots of links if you start searching.)
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(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Wednesday January 06 2021, @12:54AM
You have clearly never been to China. Chinese do not obey stop lights unless there's a soldier standing there with an automatic rifle.
Please don't peddle ignorance to make a rhetorical point.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 05 2021, @10:12PM
I would also like to implement some sort of rationing system. Instead of your proposed system that punishes young and healthy, I would isntead prioritize the beds based on how well a person upkeeps their body. Have some sort of a number that is the product of your BMI and Cholesterol.
Now when was the last time you had a cheeseburger, you fat fuck?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 05 2021, @11:28PM
Or of nurses dancing on Tiktok because they are so un-busy?
(Score: 1, Flamebait) by TheGratefulNet on Wednesday January 06 2021, @12:29AM (5 children)
take the names of all who attend trump 'rallies'.
they are now the last on the list for any covid care and they are possibly not on the list for the vaccine.
the plague rats are serious; we need to be serious too, if we are to survive this.
there are people who actively do all they can to ruin things for the rest of us.
deny them all care.
heartless? I have less empathy this year than I did last year. wonder why....
"It is now safe to switch off your computer."
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 06 2021, @02:55AM (1 child)
Does your ability to empathise with other humans extend so far to allow you to realise that the people attending Trump 'rallies' (your quotes) aren't counting on the vaccine gods needing to deliver them from any harm the virus demon rationally will do to them?
(Score: 2) by hendrikboom on Wednesday January 06 2021, @12:49PM
Sentence too long and convoluted.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 06 2021, @06:07PM (1 child)
OK, Grish! By your own order, you would deny the Democrat politicians, BLM, a lot of militant people of color and their dopey white "allies" (teachers, social workers, etc.) any medical access because THEY were the very first to have mass rallies in open disregard of distancing mandates. Some medical associations gave them a WAIVER because "racism" is a WORSE health epidemic than coronavirus!
Did you completely blank that out of your mind already, you hateful bastard?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 06 2021, @06:09PM
nomsg
(Score: 2) by HiThere on Thursday January 07 2021, @01:52AM
Most of those are young enough to have an asymptomatic case. That means they can spread it without suffering any quick negative effects. Over a long period of time many of them will suffer impaired health, but it will probably be long enough after they clear the virus that they'll never make the connection. https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200811/asymptomatic-covid-silent-but-maybe-not-harmless [webmd.com]
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