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posted by martyb on Tuesday January 05 2021, @07:53PM   Printer-friendly
from the so-it-has-come-to-this dept.

LA Paramedics Told Not To Transport Some Patients With Low Chance Of Survival:

The Los Angeles County Emergency Medical Services Agency issued a directive Monday that ambulance crews should only administer bottled oxygen to patients whose oxygen saturation levels fall below 90%.

In a separate memo from the county's EMS Agency, paramedic crews have been told not to transfer patients who experience cardiac arrest unless spontaneous circulation can be restored on the scene.

Both measures announced Monday, which were issued by the agency's medical director, Dr. Marianne Gausche-Hill, were taken in an attempt to get ahead of an expected surge to come following the winter holidays.

Many hospitals in the region "have reached a point of crisis and are having to make very tough decisions about patient care," Dr. Christina Ghaly, the LA County director of health services said at a briefing Monday.

[...] "We do not believe that we are yet seeing the cases that stemmed from the Christmas holiday," Ghaly added. "This, sadly, and the cases from the recent New Year's holiday, is still before us, and hospitals across the region are doing everything they can to prepare."

'We Are Not Abandoning Resuscitation': LA County Healthcare Leader Speaks Out After Memo Raises Concerns:

Los Angeles County hospitals are so inundated, officials said they're just trying to provide the best care they can for the people who need it.

The memo sent out on December 28 by the medical director of L.A. County's Emergency Medical Services agency, Dr. Marianne Gausche-Hill, addressed how first responders should treat stroke and heart attack patients, saying a patient should be treated at the scene first and have a pulse during resuscitation before transporting them to the hospital.

[...] The medical director of L.A. County's Emergency Services Agency, Dr. Marianne Gausche-Hill, assured CBS2 that officials continue to do all they can to save patients' lives at the scene and the hospital, as they always have.

"We are not abandoning resuscitation," Gausche-Hill said. "We are absolutely doing best practice resuscitation and that is do it in the field, do it right away... What we're asking is that — which is slightly different than before — is that we are emphasizing the fact that transporting these patients arrested leads to very poor outcomes.


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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 05 2021, @10:02PM (11 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 05 2021, @10:02PM (#1095247)

    Need a bed in the ICU? Just find footage of a guy with a bed having a great time at a maskless party.

    Except it goes like this,

    1. parents tell kids to stay home
    2. kid sneaks outs to visit friends
    3. kid gets a cold
    4. everyone gets sick
    5. dad needs ICU bed.

    so, the dad is dead because the kid broke the rules?

    There is no need to ration anything if you did things properly like China. 85% of the people will follow the rules. Only need to worry about the 15% of the idiots out there that are spreading it. There will be another 25% of fucking idiots because they are fucking idiots, not because they ignore the rules.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 05 2021, @10:16PM (6 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 05 2021, @10:16PM (#1095263)

    Sure, let's do things properly.

    Just like China.

    First thing, we change the constitution to give the federal government vastly more direct power to interfere with people's daily lives, cost and circumstances be damned ...

    ... actually, let's just stop there until you figure that out. I want a draft amendment on here, and on change.org.

    Let's see it. Put up, or shut up.

    • (Score: 1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 05 2021, @10:45PM (3 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 05 2021, @10:45PM (#1095293)

      First thing, we change the constitution to give the federal government vastly more direct power to interfere with people's daily lives, cost and circumstances be damned ...

      You mean like overturning the results in a State election?

      Sending Federal troops into a State against the explicit objection of the governor?

      Calling for Martial Law and have the military "rerun" elections, but only in populous states won by a particular party?

      And you're fucking crying about being ASKED to cover your mouth and nose with a piece of cloth??? Let's hope you aren't one of those ignorant asshats who really believe that they are the real followers of the Constitution (but I sadly think you are that much of a dumbass).

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 06 2021, @12:47AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 06 2021, @12:47AM (#1095372)

        I'm not crying about anything. I work in food. I cover up.

        This isn't about that; it's about getting the US federal government the power to behave like the way that the chinese government does, which is purportedly the right way to do things.

        Let's see that draft amendment.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 06 2021, @08:34PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 06 2021, @08:34PM (#1095779)

        i didn't vote for trump, but your disgusting party stole the election with fraudulent ballots and voting machine tampering/rigging. It's time to let brand America go. There is no America anymore. The America you remember was White America. It's success so far was due to it's White super majority. As the white population dwindles, so does "America's" success. Whites need to wake up and realize they have been brainwashed into self destruction by the Jews and selfish race-traitor whites. They are shipping in non-whites into every white majority country to destroy the white race once and for all. Their murder of 100+ million in WWI and WWII was just one battle in the ongoing ancient blood feud.

        • (Score: 3, Informative) by HiThere on Thursday January 07 2021, @01:44AM

          by HiThere (866) Subscriber Badge on Thursday January 07 2021, @01:44AM (#1096087) Journal

          On what evidence do you believe that? Hearsay is not evidence. Neither is some anonymous poster on the web. (And I won't accept the word of Trump for anything. He lies more often than he speaks.)

          I generally accept the word of judges when speaking ex-officio about matters of fact rather than judgements of law. And I generally accept that those are reported with "reasonable accuracy". Also lawyers when speaking under oath in court (though not at a press conference).

          WRT civil service officials I tend to be a bit skeptical. In my experience they generally try to do their job, but often slack off a bit, and will say what they feel they need to to CYA. So more reliable than politicians or used car salesmen...but definitely need back-up facts.

          P.S.: That Texas official still hasn't paid over that million dollar reward for finding fraudulent votes, even though they were found. Too bad the fraudulent votes were in favor of Trump.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 05 2021, @11:35PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 05 2021, @11:35PM (#1095342)

      Don't forget sentencing people to prison for inciting panic in people with "fake news" about the virus.

      Yeah, China is so great!

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 06 2021, @02:50AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 06 2021, @02:50AM (#1095423)

        Inciting panic? Aww, did someone go without toilet paper for a few days?

  • (Score: 2) by driverless on Tuesday January 05 2021, @11:32PM (2 children)

    by driverless (4770) on Tuesday January 05 2021, @11:32PM (#1095336)

    There is no need to ration anything if you did things properly like China. 85% of the people will follow the rules.

    Not in the US they won't, because it's been turned into a cult loyalty issue. I know the Russians weren't directly responsible for this, but man, if I was Russian and the US hadn't already done it to themselves I'd be making this my #1 priority.

    In the meantime, Trump is off to play golf in Scotland. I guess the more usual practice of playing the fiddle was beyond him.

    • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 06 2021, @01:54AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 06 2021, @01:54AM (#1095400)

      No he's not. They told him to fuck off; his golf isn't "essential". Theydon't want him in Scotland [nytimes.com], they don't want him in Florida [nytimes.com], and they sure as hell don't want him in New York.

      Actually, maybe he should go to New York and try his proposed 5th Ave stunt. Without the Secret Service protecting him. Yeah, that's probably what he should do.

    • (Score: 2) by HiThere on Thursday January 07 2021, @01:48AM

      by HiThere (866) Subscriber Badge on Thursday January 07 2021, @01:48AM (#1096094) Journal

      I'm not sure. I suspect Trump of being, at least indirectly, a Russian agent. I suspect that he owes a bunch of money to companies controlled by Putin, and has been trying to get those debts cancelled. But I admit this is only suspicion. I'm not enough of an accountant to be certain even if I had the paperwork in hand. (It may have involved Deutsche Bank AG. There's lots of links if you start searching.)

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  • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Wednesday January 06 2021, @12:54AM

    by Phoenix666 (552) on Wednesday January 06 2021, @12:54AM (#1095376) Journal

    There is no need to ration anything if you did things properly like China. 85% of the people will follow the rules.

    You have clearly never been to China. Chinese do not obey stop lights unless there's a soldier standing there with an automatic rifle.

    Please don't peddle ignorance to make a rhetorical point.

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