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posted by martyb on Wednesday January 06 2021, @10:01PM   Printer-friendly
from the stock-up-on-popcorn! dept.

2021-01-07 14:44:44 UTC: UPDATE (See below the fold).

Pro-Trump rioters breach the US Capitol on historic day in Congress:

Supporters of President Donald Trump breached the US Capitol on Wednesday while Congress was meeting to certify the Electoral College's votes for president and vice president.

The Capitol has been put on lockdown and the certification vote has been paused. Vice President Mike Pence was evacuated from the building. House and Senate leadership is safe and in undisclosed locations, according to a person familiar with the situation.

Congress' counting of electoral votes is typically little more than an afterthought. But this joint session was expected to be a contentious affair that would last late into the evening and possibly on Thursday. Some Republicans are objecting to the count and delaying the inevitable certification of President-elect Joe Biden's win.

Also at AlJazeera (In Pictures: Pro-trump mob storms US Capitol building) and c|net (Mob storms Capitol forcing halt of election vote count).

[2021-01-06 22:33:53 UTC; UPDATE] NOTE: This is a chaotic time.

The Electoral College votes are currently being confirmed and tallied. Runoff votes in Georgia are being tallied and the results may swing the balance of power in the US Senate. The Georgia secretary of state [has been] relocated from [State] Capitol for security reasons. Mitch McConnell goes off on Trump. Pro-Trump reporter gloats over access to fleeing Hill staffer's computer. And Trump hand-picks replacement for Atlanta's US attorney after surprise resignation.

Let's please try and keep the discussion civil.

Also, please be polite and share your popcorn!

[Updates Begin]:

(1) Fox News reports Biden's Electoral College victory certified -- hours after Capitol chaos:

The U.S. Congress early Thursday certified the Electoral College vote that gave Democrat Joe Biden his presidential victory -- after a day in Washington that was marred by pro-Trump protesters storming the U.S. Capitol.

Vice President Mike Pence, who had announced he would not overturn the will of voters, confirmed the Biden victory at 3:41 a.m. ET.

Lawmakers had returned to the chamber in an act of defiance, with some Republicans who initially vowed to challenge states' results due to voter fraud concerns announcing they'd instead vote to certify.

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., called the breach of the Capitol a "failed insurrection," adding that those who "tried to disrupt our democracy" had not succeeded.

(2) President Trump "Responds" via Staffer's Twitter Account after His Account was Suspended:

Dan Scavino 🇺🇸 🦅@DanScavino:

Statement by President Donald J. Trump on the Electoral Certification:

"Even though I totally disagree with the outcome of the election, and the facts bear me out, nevertheless there will be an orderly transition on January 20th. I have always said we would continue our...

Dan Scavino 🇺🇸 🦅@DanScavino:

...fight to ensure that only legal votes were counted. While this represents the end of the greatest first term in presidential history, it's only the beginning of our fight to Make America Great Again!"

(3) Facebook, Twitter lock Trump's account following video addressing Washington rioters:

  • Twitter and Facebook on Wednesday said they would lock the account of President Donald Trump after he continued to make false claims about the results of the 2020 U.S. presidential election.
  • Facebook, YouTube and Twitter on Wednesday removed a video by President Donald Trump addressing Washington rioters.
  • Meanwhile, calls are mounting for Twitter and Facebook to suspend Trump's accounts.

(4) The Associated Press has called the results for the Georgia Senate elections: both Democratic candidates defeated their GOP opponents:

With projected victories in the twin races of Warnock and Ossoff, President-elect Joe Biden will have the narrowest majority in the Senate, with both parties holding 50-50 seats apiece, allowing the tie-breaking vote to be cast by Vice President-elect Kamala Harris.

Also at The New York Times.


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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by SomeGuy on Wednesday January 06 2021, @10:36PM (7 children)

    by SomeGuy (5632) on Wednesday January 06 2021, @10:36PM (#1095889)

    This literally make no sense whatsoever. What do they even hope to accomplish?

    It's completely absurd, watching these idiots holding their smart phones high in the air, taking commands via Twitter(R)(TM), just marching around smashing stuff for no reason. A bit ago some were trying to set fire to a pile of equipment. Why? There is no reason.

    These people are mentally ill, disconnected from reality, following what ever their glorious tweeter-in-chief tweets.

    At least one network aired Trump's brief recorded statement supposedly asking this mob to "go home". Don't know if other networks aired it, but I could understand if they didn't. About half of the "statement" was just Trump rambling nonsense about the election, and even the WAY he told them to go home sounded so half assed I can't even describe it.

    It is like the world of "Idiocracy" has come to life. Except, crazier. What a way to start this year.

    So... how is land in Canada looking right now?

    • (Score: 3, Informative) by barbara hudson on Wednesday January 06 2021, @10:59PM

      by barbara hudson (6443) <barbara.Jane.hudson@icloud.com> on Wednesday January 06 2021, @10:59PM (#1095916) Journal

      Well, we've had a couple of crazy lone wolf individuals who have pulled stunts like this in Quebec and on Parliament Hill, and a few incels who have gone on to commit mass murder, but never the leader of the country promoting a coup in my lifetime.

      You can thank Twitter for this shit. They had adequate grounds to ban him , but Yrump made them too much money.

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    • (Score: 2) by slinches on Wednesday January 06 2021, @11:21PM

      by slinches (5049) on Wednesday January 06 2021, @11:21PM (#1095944)

      This literally make no sense whatsoever. What do they even hope to accomplish?

      The most rational thing I can come up with is that they wanted to stop the certification of the electors? Although, I would have thought they'd wait until the objectors had a chance to speak first. I was watching on C-SPAN when it all started. Paul Gosar was laying out his objection to the Arizona electors when people started to scramble in and out of the chamber along with several calls to order by someone other than Pelosi, who had abruptly left. Then the acting speaker called a recess and a confused looking C-SPAN talking head broke in saying that there were protesters in the capitol. Very surreal.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @12:02AM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @12:02AM (#1095987)

      They studied Portland all summer long. Don't carry bombs and molotov cocktails - carry a phone and document everything.

      Today, every representative in America was put on notice. Sit back and watch . . .

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @01:12AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @01:12AM (#1096064)

        I remember seeing a public service announcement about young people and smoking. It started off with a father and a son in a room and the father is disciplining his son for smoking a cigarette. The father is explaining how bad smoking is for you, what a bad idea it is, how no one should do it. Finally the father yells out "WHERE DID YOU LEARN TO DO THIS???????????". The kid replies with

        I LEARNED IT FROM YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        then he runs off and cries.

    • (Score: 1) by toph on Thursday January 07 2021, @01:49AM (1 child)

      by toph (5509) Subscriber Badge on Thursday January 07 2021, @01:49AM (#1096095)

      So... how is land in Canada looking right now?

      Expensive! Up 13% in 2020 and maybe another 9% in 2021. Canadian Real Estate Industry Forecasts Prices Rising Over 9% Next Year [betterdwelling.com]

      • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Phoenix666 on Thursday January 07 2021, @03:08PM

        by Phoenix666 (552) Subscriber Badge on Thursday January 07 2021, @03:08PM (#1096460) Journal

        Canada's mythical status as a refuge from politics in America is a mirage. It works if you're one of a hundred people, and America is politically stable. It works rather less well if America dissolves into a hot civil war on every front and in every region. Remember, nearly all Canadians live within 150 miles of the border with America.

        In the prelude to WWII many Jews thought they would escape Nazi oppression in Germany by emigrating to Poland or France. They were tragically wrong.

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    • (Score: 2) by Thexalon on Thursday January 07 2021, @07:53PM

      by Thexalon (636) on Thursday January 07 2021, @07:53PM (#1096647)

      This literally make no sense whatsoever. What do they even hope to accomplish?

      Some of the likely goals:
      - Destruction of the electoral ballots (which one of the clerks smartly grabbed before evacuating), forcing Congress to either get them again from the state or certify the results without the physical pieces of paper, thus allowing Trump to dispute what those pieces of paper said.
      - The kidnapping of some members of Congress. As in, some of the people who attacked the Capitol brought along zip-tie handcuffs similar to what cops use when they need to arrest large numbers of people. I wouldn't be surprised in the least if some had planned on putting on what amounted a show trial and then executing them.
      - The intimidation of whoever was left of Congress to vote to keep Trump in power or risk being attacked again.

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  • (Score: 4, Informative) by cmdrklarg on Wednesday January 06 2021, @10:39PM (4 children)

    by cmdrklarg (5048) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday January 06 2021, @10:39PM (#1095894)

    Repeating what I said in DannyB's journal: This is sedition in action.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @12:03AM (3 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @12:03AM (#1095990)

      So - you're ready to cancel the right to peaceful assembly and the right to be heard? Got it.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @03:13AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @03:13AM (#1096164)

        What part of today was peaceful assembly? It is really amazing watching you alt-righters making up your bullshit in real time. You need to recruit some bigger brains.

      • (Score: 2) by cmdrklarg on Friday January 08 2021, @04:18PM

        by cmdrklarg (5048) Subscriber Badge on Friday January 08 2021, @04:18PM (#1097014)

        "Peaceful". Yep, found another useful idiot.

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      • (Score: 2) by janrinok on Saturday January 09 2021, @02:52PM

        by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Saturday January 09 2021, @02:52PM (#1097415) Journal

        Their voices were heard at the initial gathering. The peaceful assembly was permitted and acceptable.

        What happened after they forced their way past the security cordon around the Capitol was no longer peaceful.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 06 2021, @10:41PM (19 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 06 2021, @10:41PM (#1095895)

    Law enforcement is showing a lot of restraint despite what these idiots just did. That's a sign our government is nowhere near as tyrannical as they whinge about.

    • (Score: 4, Insightful) by pe1rxq on Wednesday January 06 2021, @10:54PM (1 child)

      by pe1rxq (844) on Wednesday January 06 2021, @10:54PM (#1095908) Homepage

      That is not restraint, they are just picky about skin color.

      • (Score: 3, Interesting) by JoeMerchant on Thursday January 07 2021, @12:20AM

        by JoeMerchant (3937) on Thursday January 07 2021, @12:20AM (#1096012)

        That's not picky, that's fear showing through. White police feel more comfortable with white rioters because they think they understand and can predict their actions, at least better than they can black rioters - so: less fear, less jackbootery. It's not right, but it is human.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 06 2021, @11:00PM (3 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 06 2021, @11:00PM (#1095919)

      A line of National Guard with fixed bayonets is what is needed to clear the Capital gounds. It is hard to argue with the point of a bayonet or a rifle butt.

      • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Thursday January 07 2021, @03:10PM (2 children)

        by Phoenix666 (552) Subscriber Badge on Thursday January 07 2021, @03:10PM (#1096462) Journal

        That would work except they are vastly outnumbered, and possibly outgunned (the protesters may have been carrying). Opening fire on a crowd like that is a recipe for them to open fire on you. Then, suddenly, you have transformed a large crowd of protesters into a large army that is already inside your perimeter and trying to kill you.

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @06:46PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @06:46PM (#1096580)

          No that wasn't it at all. There was a distinct lack of police present compared to other protests and some police let the mob through the gates and took selfies with them.

          Some of those that work forces are the ones that burn crosses. Time for a rebirth Phoenix.

        • (Score: 1, Offtopic) by Runaway1956 on Friday January 08 2021, @12:26AM

          by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Friday January 08 2021, @12:26AM (#1096766) Homepage Journal

          Careful - you're overstating your case. In no way will a mob be transformed into an army in ten minutes, or ten days. Ten weeks, we might be within the realm of possibility, depending on how good a training cadre you start with. Ten months is more typical for forming up an army.

          But, you're not entirely off target. There could have been some number of coherent squads within the body of the mob, who might have taken coordinated action after being fired upon. A full platoon hiding within the mob could wreak havoc quite well, and run up a hellacious body count.

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    • (Score: 4, Touché) by tizan on Wednesday January 06 2021, @11:19PM (12 children)

      by tizan (3245) on Wednesday January 06 2021, @11:19PM (#1095940)

      Yeah you sure wish they would show that restraint when confronting somebody suspected of passing a fake $20 bill.

      • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @12:27AM (11 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @12:27AM (#1096022)

        Yeah you sure wish they would show that restraint when confronting somebody suspected of passing a fake $20 bill.

        You mean the guy that swallowed enough fentanyl to kill 10 people when the police responded to the phone call, then got rowdy, then got put into the back of a police car, demanded to be out of the back of the car and placed on the ground, failed to inform the police about the serious medical situation he just inflicted on himself?

        I wasn't a fan of how that situation was handled either but what lack of restraint are you talking about here?

        • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @03:38AM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @03:38AM (#1096188)
          When I went in to get treatment for fentanyl addiction they warned me that the dosage I was taking was so high that I wouldn't even survive eight minutes without oxygen.
          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @03:56AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @03:56AM (#1096202)

            When I went in to get treatment for my Trump Derangement Syndrome they warned me that reading the autopsy could blow my mind.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @03:59AM (8 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @03:59AM (#1096208)

          8 minutes 46 seconds

          Maybe you should have someone try it out on you, replicate the officer's weight and everything, see how much you enjoy the restraint.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @05:32AM (7 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @05:32AM (#1096276)

            And if I come out of that alive do we get to say that the drugs Floyd took immediately before he died was the reason he died? That procedure is used often and is not inherently lethal. Should it be used at all? That's a thing to discuss.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @06:08AM (6 children)

              by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @06:08AM (#1096302)

              Sure thing Mr. Hannity, I totally believe you would volunteer to find out and not wimp out.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @06:32AM (5 children)

                by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @06:32AM (#1096316)

                I'm not volunteering for that and the question remains.

                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @07:30AM (4 children)

                  by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @07:30AM (#1096329)

                  Spineless coward.

                  As for whether cops should choke out or kneel on the necks of people they are arresting, no they should not and that does not need discussing. Thankfully some jurisdictions are banning the practice.

                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @08:02AM (3 children)

                    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @08:02AM (#1096351)

                    You didn't answer the question about not dying from a thing that usually doesn't kill people. I don't need to volunteer for the experiment. I'm going to guess there have been zero knee-neck deaths of black people since the last one since if there were I'm quite sure I'd be seeing it on the news as another round of a million people marching in Los Angeles.

                    I'm not against banning the practice. The situation is more complex than your lizard brain allows for apparently.

                    • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday January 08 2021, @12:31AM

                      by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Friday January 08 2021, @12:31AM (#1096769) Homepage Journal

                      While you're having fun with your banter - I'll remind you that one of the rookie cops pointed out that Floyd had not moved in some minutes. He requested permission to check Floyd's pulse and respiration. He was denied permission, on the grounds that it would somehow violate "protocol".

                      I stand with those who say that Floyd was treated wrong. It would have cost very nearly nothing to check pulse and respiration, and it would have cost very little more than nothing to commence CPR on his already cooling body.

                      At the least, the responsible officer on scene is guilty of negligence, and that could easily become negligent homicide.

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                    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 08 2021, @03:05AM

                      by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 08 2021, @03:05AM (#1096825)

                      I'm going to guess there have been zero knee-neck deaths of black people since the last one

                      I haven't had any speeding tickets since the last one. Your wife hasn't cheated on you with me since the last time. I haven't shot any idiots since the last one. I haven't "knee-neck death"ed any black people since the last one.

                      Of course not idiot. Otherwise it wouldn't be the last one. It would be the second-last one.

                    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 10 2021, @07:44PM

                      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 10 2021, @07:44PM (#1097951)

                      You didn't agree to the experiment that would show whether you are lying or not. Therefore we use Occam's razor and assume you're a racist asshole who wants to let police continue murdering people.

  • (Score: 1, Interesting) by crafoo on Wednesday January 06 2021, @10:41PM (19 children)

    by crafoo (6639) on Wednesday January 06 2021, @10:41PM (#1095897)

    The "riot" is just upset boomers. They aren't burning or destroying anything. They really are patriotic. They just have a different set of values than you (some of you). They'll go home soon and take a nappy-nap.

    • (Score: 4, Informative) by Magic Oddball on Wednesday January 06 2021, @11:07PM (17 children)

      by Magic Oddball (3847) on Wednesday January 06 2021, @11:07PM (#1095929) Journal

      Look at the photos/videos again — most of the people there appear to be in their thirties & forties, nowhere near old enough to be Boomers.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 06 2021, @11:12PM (15 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 06 2021, @11:12PM (#1095933)

        crafoo has been spouting alt-right shit for years now, he is just trying to minimize so he doesn't have to feel guilty or admit the rightwing nutjobs are exactly as rightwing nutjobby as we've been saying. Hell, he probably is an alt-right nutjob!

        • (Score: 1, Insightful) by crafoo on Wednesday January 06 2021, @11:20PM (14 children)

          by crafoo (6639) on Wednesday January 06 2021, @11:20PM (#1095943)

          OK sure. Go ahead and call me a nazi, bigot, sexist, whatever. I don't give a shit. Trump was always just a 4-8 year delay plan. I'm cool with just 4. I value freedom, not equality. Whatever box you want to put me in is fine. IF you want to have a real conversation we can do that too, but you'll have to stop the juvenile name-calling.

          • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 06 2021, @11:30PM (5 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 06 2021, @11:30PM (#1095954)

            We will stop the juvenile name calling when you stop pushing fake news propganda bullshit and grapple with reality like Trump being a criminal that must be sent to prison if you have any hope for democracy. No matter what you think about the original charges, his obstruction of justice is public knowledge and is a crime.

            If you can handle reality then we can have a discussion where I listen to your points that are hopefully not rightwing lies and you can listen to mine. If we can't agree on what is verifiable reality then all you will ever get is more juvenile name calling because I will not waste my time on liars or fools.

            So, can you admit that Trump obstructed justice at the least and should face punishment for his abuses of power? I'm giving you a softball here.

            • (Score: 2, Touché) by crafoo on Thursday January 07 2021, @02:24PM (4 children)

              by crafoo (6639) on Thursday January 07 2021, @02:24PM (#1096447)

              You are clearly very emotional and upset. I won't even begin to address the various name calling and personal attacks in your screed. I noticed that you presented no evidence or references, only mass media talking points. Is that all that is inside your head?

              You very much sound like a woman, although you are posting anon. Why is that, do you think?

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 08 2021, @01:02AM (3 children)

                by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 08 2021, @01:02AM (#1096777)

                Because you're a pitiful excuse for a man that can't handle criticism and thinks that calling me a woman is an insult? Nice to know for sure you're a misogynistic douche, but that was a pretty safe guess before you clinched it there.

                I'll do the hard work for you:

                If you can handle reality then we can have a discussion where I listen to your points that are hopefully not rightwing lies ... I will not waste my time on liars or fools.

                There, the sum total of my name calling in the comment you replied to. Also, mass media talking points? Wrong, I was able to piece that together all by myself when Trump publicly obstructed the investigations into his crimes. Abusing his power to interfere with an investigation into his activities is obstruction of justice.

                Weird that you call me emotional, that post was distinctly un-emotional and I was trying to extend an olive branch on how we could move forward. Clearly you are the emotional one if you took those quoted bits so personally, and your logic center is overridden by the existential crisis you face when you have no answer to what is blindingly obvious. You were banking on Trump winning again and having his corrupt cronies continue to protect him, and for the GOP to continue block his impeachment. That has now failed so you're stuck having to grapple with reality.

                Best of luck with coming to terms with the facts, please don't go crazy and murder people. Sorry for hurting your feefees /s

                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 08 2021, @03:08AM

                  by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 08 2021, @03:08AM (#1096829)

                  Yes dear.

                • (Score: 3, Touché) by crafoo on Saturday January 09 2021, @02:47AM (1 child)

                  by crafoo (6639) on Saturday January 09 2021, @02:47AM (#1097278)

                  It's times like these when the title "anonymous coward" really makes good sense.

                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 10 2021, @07:46PM

                    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 10 2021, @07:46PM (#1097952)

                    Stay shitty crafoo, no one is gonna love you except other assholes. I'm sure you'll complain about cancel culture when you get fired for participating in federal crimes.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 06 2021, @11:53PM (6 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 06 2021, @11:53PM (#1095973)

            It was your sort - weak-kneed, rationalizing bootlickers - that Hitler managed to rule Germany and pull the stunt he did.

            • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @12:33AM (5 children)

              by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @12:33AM (#1096032)

              Usually to be a bootlicker one would have to side with an authoritarian. Please explain how Trump is an authoritarian. No you can't use "HE JUST IS!" or "Orange Man Bad".

              Thank you kindly.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @12:41AM (3 children)

                by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @12:41AM (#1096038)

                Feeding the troll

                Let's see, the easy answr is "When he had police violently clear protesters and innocent people on private church property for a photo op."

                Plenty of other stuff too, but that one is the ridiculously obvious one that even your brain should be able to process :-)

                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @01:17AM (2 children)

                  by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @01:17AM (#1096065)

                  Thank you for the comment, please provide more.

                  I thought clearing the protesters was Barr's idea and doing. Though I didn't see Trump say it was a bad move.

                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @03:46AM (1 child)

                    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @03:46AM (#1096193)

                    I fed you once, but glad to see you finally accepting reality :-) Now go do your research like a good little boi.

                    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @03:58AM

                      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @03:58AM (#1096206)

                      Fail! I know he's orange and I know it's easy to not provide citations but you can do better.

              • (Score: 2) by Thexalon on Thursday January 07 2021, @08:05PM

                by Thexalon (636) on Thursday January 07 2021, @08:05PM (#1096655)

                Please explain how Trump is an authoritarian.

                1. He has ordered government agents to attack his own citizens who weren't breaking any laws.
                2. He has attempted to overthrow election results via force of arms.
                3. He has repeatedly called for police or his supporters to attack, jail, and kill citizens without anything remotely resembling due process of law, including but not limited to his election opponents.
                4. He has openly refused to follow the laws passed by Congress, and pardoned people who have committed crimes at his behest.
                5. He is an avowed friend of other authoritarians, including but not limited to Vladimir Putin, Kim Jong Un, and King Salman of Saudi Arabia. And they with him.
                6. He has routinely defied lawful actions from the other branches of government, e.g. subpoenas of his financial records.
                7. He basically gave a pep talk to the people planning a terrorist attack on Congress. With every reason to know that's exactly what they were planning on doing.

                Just ask yourself what you'd be saying if Obama had done all of that.

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          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @01:39AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @01:39AM (#1096082)

            crafoo, you fucking nazi sexist bigot! You poinaird! You are flatulent and in general unpleasant to be around! You are full of it! This is all your fault! Bad crafoo, bad! No donut for your Law and Order! If you cannot support equal freedom, you are a nazi. Equality is the precondition of freedom, you idiot! But, if you are such a low intelligence example of the species, perhaps we should prevent you from speaking?

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @06:42AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @06:42AM (#1096318)

        My best guess is the #walkaway crowd were mostly the ones motivated to go to this extreme. They are the loudest, most passionate, and most aggressive ones that were speaking at the rallies.

        I'm pretty sure I saw the NYC gym owner that refuses to close down beat some cop shields with a folding chair. Definitely the folding chair pretty sure gym owner guy. That'd be another well motivated individual.

        The motivations of the majority of the conservatives I've seen don't align with storming something like Congress. There was also many cries of "We are not Antifa!" from people next to the building while it was being assaulted.

        Really the majority of the conservatives seem plenty happy to stop at complaining.

    • (Score: 2) by sjames on Thursday January 07 2021, @04:58AM

      by sjames (2882) on Thursday January 07 2021, @04:58AM (#1096262) Journal

      So those guys at the window were trying to restrain the police riot shield from smashing in the windows of the capitol building? And the only reason they climbed into the window was to pursue the shield as it ran down the hall?

      Let me guess, the guy sitting in the office with his feet on Pelosi's desk was just trying to keep the furniture from floating away?

  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by bzipitidoo on Wednesday January 06 2021, @10:49PM (7 children)

    by bzipitidoo (4388) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday January 06 2021, @10:49PM (#1095903) Journal

    This "party" will end soon enough, and when it does, I'll be very interested to see what consequences the idiots suffer. They better not be allowed to walk, as if nothing mattered. Hell No to "let bygones be bygones" and "no real harm done". If someone tries to commit murder, and the attempt fails, that's still the felony crime of Attempted Murder. It's still attempted murder no matter how incompetent the plan. I want to see mass arrests, prosecutions, and prison sentences. I want to see complicit cops fired, and facing prosecution themselves. And the politicians who egged them on should be facing a raft of charges, things such as "incitement". This is bull.

    Meantime, I hear that the Democrats won both Senate seats in Georgia. Wonder how many swing voters made up their minds at the last minute to vote for the Democrats, because of this.

    • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 06 2021, @10:52PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 06 2021, @10:52PM (#1095906)

      Zero. Polls closed in Georgia yesterday.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @12:05AM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @12:05AM (#1095991)

      That's what we've been saying about Portland Oregon for half a hear now. Fuck off.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @12:14AM (3 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @12:14AM (#1096004)

      What are the odds on Trump pardoning every one of them?

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @12:35AM (2 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @12:35AM (#1096034)

        What are the odds on Trump pardoning every one of them?

        Pretty low at this time. If Trump was going to support the protesters I would expect he would have Federalized the guard and deployed them to go dig holes instead of actively directing them to deploy to DC against the protesters.

        • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Thexalon on Thursday January 07 2021, @08:07PM (1 child)

          by Thexalon (636) on Thursday January 07 2021, @08:07PM (#1096656)

          He didn't actively direct them. When the Pentagon sent in the National Guard, they said in their statement that they'd gotten the approval of Vice-President Pence, the Cabinet, and the leadership of Congress, but notably not the president.

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          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @09:13PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @09:13PM (#1096688)

            That is textbook 25th amendment talk. The VP + majority of the Cabinet + (Speaker of the House + President pro tempore) is exactly what you need for that.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 06 2021, @10:56PM (11 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 06 2021, @10:56PM (#1095913)

    We don't get along and view the world too different. Let's just agree to split to avoid a nasty civil war. The next election may be much closer, triggering even more tension. This may merely be a preview.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 06 2021, @11:01PM (5 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 06 2021, @11:01PM (#1095920)

      Why don't you draw up the map of the new Americas for us?

      • (Score: 2) by barbara hudson on Wednesday January 06 2021, @11:06PM (4 children)

        by barbara hudson (6443) <barbara.Jane.hudson@icloud.com> on Wednesday January 06 2021, @11:06PM (#1095927) Journal
        Why not just update the map of Jeebusland and the Rest of the United States? And build a wall around Jeebusland and make them pay for it
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        • (Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 06 2021, @11:22PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 06 2021, @11:22PM (#1095945)

          Why are you even speaking tranny twisto? You're not a U.S. Citizen. You're just a deranged delusional chemically castrated monstrosity. A freak that thinks it's a real woman. Clue: You're not. You're a mentally damaged male that chemically castrated itself.

          • (Score: 2) by Tork on Wednesday January 06 2021, @11:38PM

            by Tork (3914) on Wednesday January 06 2021, @11:38PM (#1095965)
            Lazy troll is lazy.
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        • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @12:06AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @12:06AM (#1095993)

          Why don't you concern yourself with Canadian affairs, silly cunt?

        • (Score: 2) by Gaaark on Thursday January 07 2021, @12:22AM

          by Gaaark (41) on Thursday January 07 2021, @12:22AM (#1096014) Journal

          Ship 'them' all to Mexico and let Trump have the Mexicans pay for finishing the wall: 'they' can have Mexico, the wall can keep them out and the sane can live in the U.S..... or come to Canada. You know we like sane people here.

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    • (Score: 2) by barbara hudson on Wednesday January 06 2021, @11:02PM (2 children)

      by barbara hudson (6443) <barbara.Jane.hudson@icloud.com> on Wednesday January 06 2021, @11:02PM (#1095922) Journal
      Most of these cowards will be in hiding if they haven't been arrested. It's not like there isn't video - they posted a lot of it themselves, the stupid idiots.
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      • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 06 2021, @11:20PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 06 2021, @11:20PM (#1095941)

        Why are you even speaking tranny twisto? You're not even a U.S. Citizen. What you are is a deranged delusional freak man that thinks it's a real woman. You're not. You're a twisted lunatic monstrosity.

      • (Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @07:49AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @07:49AM (#1096339)

        When you think about it, the videos aren't the worst part. It is really the fact that they politicized wearing masks so much that they refused to wear them even when committing said crimes on video.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 06 2021, @11:03PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 06 2021, @11:03PM (#1095924)

      Most of the red states are welfare states. They would never survive without the federal teat.

    • (Score: 2) by Thexalon on Thursday January 07 2021, @03:45AM

      by Thexalon (636) on Thursday January 07 2021, @03:45AM (#1096192)

      That's a bad idea.

      And the reason is that 1 of those 2 nations would be controlled by religious fanatics trying to bring about the apocalypse, armed with nuclear weapons. It would make a nuclear-armed Iran seem like a less dangerous negotiating partner.

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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by PiMuNu on Wednesday January 06 2021, @11:10PM (5 children)

    by PiMuNu (3823) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday January 06 2021, @11:10PM (#1095931)

    What do you think folks in China and Russia think of this farce going on in the US over the last couple of months? Sadly, it undermines democracy throughout the world. USians, from both sides, ought to be embarrassed and ashamed of what Trump has done.

    • (Score: 0, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 06 2021, @11:18PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 06 2021, @11:18PM (#1095939)

      Democracy has been dead in America for over 50 years. The rest of the world should fend for themselves.

    • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 06 2021, @11:40PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 06 2021, @11:40PM (#1095967)

      It's not the job of the US to give a fuck about the rest of the world. Take care of yourselves. Or die. Whatever, it's none of the US's business.

      The US is not coming to save you.

    • (Score: 0, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 06 2021, @11:47PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 06 2021, @11:47PM (#1095971)

      This is probably Putin's plan to begin with. Force the U.S. into Civil War so Vlad can do what he wants unimpeded.

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @12:08AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @12:08AM (#1095995)

      We, the USA, have undermined democracy in every banana republic, plus Iran and half a dozen other countries. We don't believe in democracy.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @08:04AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @08:04AM (#1096353)

      I think they are looking at their greatest opposition in the world and being extremely glad it's destroying itself internally. They would be so glad about it I'm sure they'd actively try to encourage it.

  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday January 06 2021, @11:23PM (22 children)

    by Azuma Hazuki (5086) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday January 06 2021, @11:23PM (#1095946) Journal

    You know who you are. Whatever your reasoning was or is, this is on you now. You are part of this, you let it happen, you fed into the madness, there is blood on your heads, and you will burn.

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    • (Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @12:09AM (2 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @12:09AM (#1095997)

      Thank you troll.

      • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday January 07 2021, @12:15AM (1 child)

        by Azuma Hazuki (5086) Subscriber Badge on Thursday January 07 2021, @12:15AM (#1096005) Journal

        If the light burns you, that's your fault, not mine.

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @01:19AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @01:19AM (#1096066)

          Thank you troll. Knowledge will set us free.

    • (Score: 1, Troll) by Phoenix666 on Thursday January 07 2021, @03:14PM (9 children)

      by Phoenix666 (552) Subscriber Badge on Thursday January 07 2021, @03:14PM (#1096465) Journal

      You know who you are. Whatever your reasoning was or is, this is on you now. You are part of this, you let it happen, you fed into the madness, there is blood on your heads, and you will burn.

      And people like you are why the civil war will go hot. It's only a matter of time now.

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      • (Score: 2) by Tork on Thursday January 07 2021, @04:18PM (7 children)

        by Tork (3914) on Thursday January 07 2021, @04:18PM (#1096500)

        And people like you are why the civil war will go hot. It's only a matter of time now.

        "Criticism will make us violent, so shut up or whatever we do is somehow your fault!" 🙄

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        • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Phoenix666 on Thursday January 07 2021, @05:51PM (6 children)

          by Phoenix666 (552) Subscriber Badge on Thursday January 07 2021, @05:51PM (#1096546) Journal

          When you demonize the other as Azuma did, there is no reconciliation. There will be a fight.

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          • (Score: 3, Touché) by Tork on Thursday January 07 2021, @06:36PM

            by Tork (3914) on Thursday January 07 2021, @06:36PM (#1096570)
            Nobody else is responsible for your actions.
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          • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @06:50PM (2 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @06:50PM (#1096583)

            Yet you've been totally silent as Runaway and others do the exact same thing. Take your gaslighting bullshit and shove it up your feefee ass. Republicans have demonized liberals and called for imprisonment and murder of their political opponents for yeeeaaaaaaars now. Strangely you were silent the entire time.

            What horse shit

            • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 08 2021, @12:38AM (1 child)

              by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 08 2021, @12:38AM (#1096772)

              Right back at you cupcake. Your side was looking to impeach Trump before he was ever sworn in. Probably before the November 2016 election even took place, your side was plotting.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 08 2021, @10:57PM

                by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 08 2021, @10:57PM (#1097186)

                Well, he was already incompetent and illegal even before he was elected, so there was more than enough grounds for impeaching him prior. Would have saved the US a lot of fuss.

          • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @06:56PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @06:56PM (#1096591)

            When you demonize the other as Azuma did, there is no reconciliation. There will be a fight.

            Ah, yes, Phoenix666 Chamberlain has arrived! What you fail to realize, Recurring Bird, is that Azumi did not demonize them, they are demons! Compromising with evil just gets you attacked later on, as England found out. These people are fascists. Fortunately, they are also cowards, so the "fight" will be rather short. And mostly only with law enforcement.

          • (Score: 2, Disagree) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday January 08 2021, @02:42AM

            by Azuma Hazuki (5086) Subscriber Badge on Friday January 08 2021, @02:42AM (#1096813) Journal

            People like that deserve no civility. This rioting and terrorism in the heart of the nation is the distillation of what the Trump message was all about and who its base always truly was. Hard to demonize people like that more than they demonize themselves already, you know?

            Your problem is, you used to be a halfway-decent (or at least decent-acting) person, but your rich whiteboy angst got in the way and you got partially transformed into one of these revanchist lunatics. So now you're taking it very personally when someone rightfully calls them--and by extension, YOU--out on their, and your, terroristic behavior and guilt by association. Well too bad, asshole. Lie down with dogs, get up with fleas. You are now as bad as Runaway and in some ways worse because you're not going to die so soon and put us out of your misery.

            You brought this on yourself. Go to Hell. Go *directly* to Hell. Do not pass Go. Do not collect $200, but instead go straight to Hell.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 08 2021, @06:16AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 08 2021, @06:16AM (#1096903)

        And people like you are why the civil war will go hot. It's only a matter of time now.

        Actually, it's people like you who use the plot of The Turner Diaries [wikipedia.org] for your political talking points that will end up taking up arms against your own government.

        The rule of law must be paramount. And you have no interest in that. More's the pity.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @10:28PM (8 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 07 2021, @10:28PM (#1096716)

      You know, that's exactly what they would say about you too. That "blame and kill every side but mine" attitude never ends well. What you should have said was "how could I have acted differently so that those people looked up to me and my ideals." Grinding them into the dust so their blood will fertilize your garden isn't the proper answer.

      Also next time, don't promote someone as corrupt as Hillary. If it was anyone else, Trump wouldn't have won. That's on you. You let that happen.

      • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday January 08 2021, @02:38AM (7 children)

        by Azuma Hazuki (5086) Subscriber Badge on Friday January 08 2021, @02:38AM (#1096811) Journal

        Fuck you sideways. The lesser of two evils is still evil, but the lesser of two evils is still less evil. Even if I had to hold my nose while pulling that lever I'm glad not to have voted for Trump. Don't you fucking dare blame Trump on his opponents. That's like a murderer blaming the good samaritan trying to stop him from killing someone for bruising him up with an ill-placed punch.

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 08 2021, @03:22AM (6 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 08 2021, @03:22AM (#1096832)

          The thing you don't seem to understand is that they agree with you on everything in that post, with the sole exception of which was the lesser evil.

          This works just as well for them:

          Fuck you sideways. The lesser of two evils is still evil, but the lesser of two evils is still less evil. Even if I had to hold my nose while pulling that lever I'm glad not to have voted for Clinton. Don't you fucking dare blame Clinton on her opponents. That's like a murderer blaming the good samaritan trying to stop him from killing someone for bruising him up with an ill-placed punch.

          Clinton is a horrible evil criminal bitch. Arguing that Trump is worse is not a rebuttal, it is just admitting that truth.

          • (Score: 3, Informative) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday January 08 2021, @03:59AM (5 children)

            by Azuma Hazuki (5086) Subscriber Badge on Friday January 08 2021, @03:59AM (#1096845) Journal

            Clinton *is* a horrible, evil criminal bitch.

            *But the people around her would have been better.* Do you get it now? People focus too hard on the president and not on who he or she will be surrounded by. We have three branches of government but they're not operating in vacuum. Do you really, truly think we would have lost the SCOTUS to the Birchers and fundies had Clinton been elected? No. No, we would not. And now we have to deal with an entire branch of the US government being taken over, for at least the next half century, by the *competent* fascists and theocrats, the ones who've been playing this game since the Kennedy administration if not before.

            *That* is why I held my nose and voted for Clinton, not because I had any faith in her, but because I didn't want to see our government hollowed out and zombified like this. Welp.

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            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 08 2021, @04:12AM (1 child)

              by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 08 2021, @04:12AM (#1096854)

              Appeasement is never the right thing to do. Democrats appeasing the DNC corporate machine by compromising their principles is exactly what caused this situation. If the left had had the guts to stand up and say "give us a decent candidate or fuck off", Trump would never have won. Instead it was all "well, I don't like Clinton, but I'll vote for her because Trump is worse".

              "He may be hitting me, but at least he isn't using the end with the buckle. And I deserved it anyway, his dinner wasn't ready and I shouldn't have talked back."

              • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday January 08 2021, @04:17AM

                by Azuma Hazuki (5086) Subscriber Badge on Friday January 08 2021, @04:17AM (#1096856) Journal

                Damned if I do and damned if I don't then. Fuck that noise, I'm taking the third option and getting the hell out of here before the 2022 midterms if at all possible. Biden got my vote for the most selfish possible reason: his win gives me 2 years of relative (read: "dealing with a pandemic and whatever attempts at Civil War 2.0 Trump's insane base starts") stability to finish saving up, do my paperwork, and fuck off.

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            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @04:44AM (2 children)

              by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @04:44AM (#1097308)

              I will admit I didn't think of all the extra people an administration would bring into office. I saw Trump as a political outsider. He was a rich white businessman, but he wasn't a lawyer or politician. I knew he was corrupt, but he's bad at corruption. He was out in the open with all the stupid things he tries to do and the media jumped at everything. Clinton was good at corruption. She'd do misdirection and bad background deals that we'd never learn about until 80 years later. So I took the risk. Turned out to be a bad choice, but the government will continue to spiral down if we never take any risks. At least when we're failing quickly people notice. A slow roasting frog will die while a fast roasting one has a chance of jumping out.

              That said, I do research all the congress critters before I vote for any of them. Frankly, I research them more than the Presidents. I don't pay much attention to our foreign policy, I care more about what laws are trying to be passed.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @08:15AM (1 child)

                by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @08:15AM (#1097351)

                It's also not a valid argument. Claiming that the hand-picked cronies of an evil corrupt witch are likely to be good people is laughable.
                Would Trump's outsiders be better or worse? Who knows, but it's take a chance on them or pick the known evil. Azuma picks the known evil, many others took a chance.

                • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday January 09 2021, @12:59PM

                  by Azuma Hazuki (5086) Subscriber Badge on Saturday January 09 2021, @12:59PM (#1097388) Journal

                  The known and STILL lesser evil. Even just considering her and Trump it was a complete no-brainer. I knew what was coming. On the day after the election in 2016 i was on the phone with my mother telling her the loonie right was going to take over the Supreme Court, that Trump would make Nixon look like an Eagle Scout, and that there were going to be riots over downballot elections as well as in 2020.

                  Welp. Cassandra strikes again.

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