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posted by janrinok on Wednesday November 04 2020, @05:04AM   Printer-friendly

Picked from Google news, TASS writes (TASS - Russian News Agency)

MOSCOW, October 27. /TASS/. The issue of the US intention to extract mineral resources on the Moon will be discussed at the 75th session of the UN General Assembly at Russia's request, the State Space Corporation Roscosmos told TASS on Tuesday

[...] "The corresponding item has been included in the session's agenda. The issue will be raised on behalf of the Russian Federation in line with the procedure accepted at the UN," Roscosmos specified.

Roscosmos Chief Dmitry Rogozin earlier stated that the Moon's privatization contradicted international law and Russia would not allow this.

Previous Reporting: NASA Says it Will Pay Private Companies to Gather Moon Rocks


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  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday November 04 2020, @07:05AM (19 children)

    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday November 04 2020, @07:05AM (#1072796) Homepage Journal

    You might ask if the US' actions in Ukraine conform with international law. Let us not forget that the Koch brothers invested 14 billion dollars into overturning Ukraine's existing, legitimate government.

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  • (Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday November 04 2020, @10:01AM (18 children)

    by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday November 04 2020, @10:01AM (#1072829) Journal

    You might ask if the US' actions in Ukraine conform with international law.

    But what would be the point of the question except to excuse Russia's takeover of the Crimea?

    Let us not forget that the Koch brothers invested 14 billion dollars into overturning Ukraine's existing, legitimate government.

    According to who? That's a lot of money even for the Koch brothers.

    • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday November 04 2020, @10:17AM (17 children)

      by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday November 04 2020, @10:17AM (#1072834) Homepage Journal

      Yes, 14 billion is a lot of money. Among other things, they got Molex, along with a nice puppet government.

      Oh, Crimea. That's kinda comparable to our own Gitmo. International law be damned, we have Gitmo, and we're not giving it up. Excuses? Who needs excuses, when you have guns to back up your decision? Yep, Gitmo and Crimea are very comparable, except Russia's claim to Crimea is at least marginally more legitimate than our claim to Gitmo. A lot of Russians live in Crimea after all.

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      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by khallow on Wednesday November 04 2020, @10:33AM (9 children)

        by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday November 04 2020, @10:33AM (#1072838) Journal

        Oh, Crimea. That's kinda comparable to our own Gitmo.

        Except that the former is about 200 times larger than the latter. Guantanamo is only 45 square miles (just the base itself) with few, if any civilians involved. The Crimea was 10,000 square miles roughly with over two million people.

        Yep, Gitmo and Crimea are very comparable, except Russia's claim to Crimea is at least marginally more legitimate than our claim to Gitmo. A lot of Russians live in Crimea after all.

        Only by Russia's standard. They're not the only country in the world.

        • (Score: 2) by Freeman on Wednesday November 04 2020, @06:02PM

          by Freeman (732) on Wednesday November 04 2020, @06:02PM (#1072986) Journal

          They are both blatant violations of law. The respective parties, just don't care about the law. Which isn't a good sign for either countries' citizens.

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        • (Score: 2) by Pav on Thursday November 05 2020, @01:25AM (7 children)

          by Pav (114) on Thursday November 05 2020, @01:25AM (#1073237)

          My fathers family is half Ukrainian (grandfather) and half Russian Crimean (grandmother was Russian at least culturally, though like many Crimeans is very mixed and has Ukrainian, Egyptian, Crimean Tatar, German, Greek etc... blood). My grandparents met after escaping Nazi work/death camps and joining Polish partisans... but there's a LOT more to that story.

              Unlike the USA vs Gitmo (+ Puerto Rico it should not be forgotten, with a larger population than Crimea and also held to bolster that same strategically important position) Russia has been invaded several times via Crimea, and Russias main breadbasket is adjacent, as well as the flat militarily indefensible Eurasian Steppe rolling out like a pool table to Moscow and beyond.

          • (Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday November 05 2020, @02:03AM (6 children)

            by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday November 05 2020, @02:03AM (#1073244) Journal
            Why are you adding Puerto Rico? It never belonged to Cuba. And they've since have decided to stay a US territory for now by legal referendum.

            Russia has been invaded several times via Crimea, and Russias main breadbasket is adjacent, as well as the flat militarily indefensible Eurasian Steppe rolling out like a pool table to Moscow and beyond.

            Why does Russia's military position matter more than the Ukraine's? The Ukraine has been invaded via the Crimea too.

            • (Score: 2) by Pav on Thursday November 05 2020, @02:46AM (5 children)

              by Pav (114) on Thursday November 05 2020, @02:46AM (#1073255)

              Puerto Rico is a US colonial holding where the locals have fewer rights by design. Cuba is only related because of the strategic theatre and similar cultural makeup, and the fact Cuba had a successful revolution, the aftermath of which distanced it from the USA, while Puerto Rico didn't. It also seems Cubans are better off on almost every metric. Crimeans have full Russian citizenship by the way, with a lot of investment coming in from the Russian state - perhaps this is a sign of weakness though, and if Russia was in a more powerful situation they could let Crimea rot like Puerto Rico.

              Neither Canada or Mexico posed the same military danger to the USA, but they're ripe to be annexed in the right circumstances as history proves. The USA probably would have kept the whole of Mexico and not just some chunks if it wasn't such a geographical nightmare that would cause more military problems than it solves, but probably would have kept Canada if any of the previous invasions had worked out... or if WWII hadn't happened, and Plan Red had been acted on successfully.

              • (Score: 1) by khallow on Friday November 06 2020, @02:04PM (4 children)

                by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Friday November 06 2020, @02:04PM (#1073720) Journal

                Cuba is only related because of the strategic theatre and similar cultural makeup

                In other words, it's not related.

                Neither Canada or Mexico posed the same military danger to the USA, but they're ripe to be annexed in the right circumstances as history proves.

                History over centuries. It's interesting how the Whatabouters have to go back more than a century for US-equivalent actions to what Russia does today.

                • (Score: 2) by Pav on Friday November 06 2020, @08:51PM (3 children)

                  by Pav (114) on Friday November 06 2020, @08:51PM (#1073872)

                  Guantanamo Bay was captured from the same power in the same war and kept to help defend the same naval bottleneck (just from the Atlantic side) as Puerto Rico, but yes in your world it's completely utterly unrelated? If Puerto Rico ever sank below the waves Cuba would be annexed in total sooner rather than later - just looking at a map makes that obvious.

                  Sure... Mexico was over a century ago, but of course it was. The US wouldn't have more modern designs on the place after actually holding Mexico City and realising what a terrible hairball Mexico would be to actually swallow and then defend in perpituity. Canada on the other hand? Plan Red had a post-WWII timeframe, but world events (WWII itself, its aftermath, and the cold war) complicated the politics and achieved some of the war aims anyway.

                  • (Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday November 07 2020, @05:11AM (2 children)

                    by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Saturday November 07 2020, @05:11AM (#1074041) Journal

                    Guantanamo Bay was captured from the same power in the same war and kept to help defend the same naval bottleneck (just from the Atlantic side) as Puerto Rico, but yes in your world it's completely utterly unrelated?

                    Absolutely. Events more than 120 years ago don't establish relations today.

                    Sure... Mexico was over a century ago

                    Again.

                    • (Score: 2) by Pav on Saturday November 07 2020, @05:43AM (1 child)

                      by Pav (114) on Saturday November 07 2020, @05:43AM (#1074046)

                      ...and your argument is made water-tight by the US never invading nations for cynical geopolitical reasons in the last decades using false pretenses.

                      • (Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday November 08 2020, @02:55PM

                        by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Sunday November 08 2020, @02:55PM (#1074679) Journal
                        My argument doesn't have to be watertight, when that's your counterargument.
      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 04 2020, @12:46PM (4 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 04 2020, @12:46PM (#1072861)

        You are making about as much sense as the head cheetos is.
        By your logic, parts of USA shoud be given to Mexico and Canada and Finland and Norway and China and Ireland etc.

        • (Score: 1, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday November 04 2020, @03:17PM (3 children)

          by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday November 04 2020, @03:17PM (#1072886) Homepage Journal

          If you say so, Professor AC.

          Hey, can you tell the class when, and how, Ukraine came to possess Crimea? Can you tell us when and how Russia came to possess Crimea before that? Do you know which people might have been displaced from Crimea, before the Russians took over? They weren't Ukrainian, were they?

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          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 04 2020, @07:17PM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 04 2020, @07:17PM (#1073046)

            We'll leave that up to you Russians

            • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday November 04 2020, @08:12PM

              by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday November 04 2020, @08:12PM (#1073091) Homepage Journal

              I take that to be a sideways admission that your education is somewhat lacking, in regards to Russia, the Soviet, and Eastern Europe, before, during, and after the days of the Soviet Union.

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          • (Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday November 07 2020, @05:29AM

            by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Saturday November 07 2020, @05:29AM (#1074044) Journal

            Hey, can you tell the class when, and how, Ukraine came to possess Crimea?

            While it was part of the USSR. Let us note that Russia recognized this possession after the dissolution of the USSR. It was only when their puppet lost control of the Ukraine that they invaded the Crimea.

      • (Score: 2) by unauthorized on Wednesday November 04 2020, @05:06PM

        by unauthorized (3776) on Wednesday November 04 2020, @05:06PM (#1072929)

        There is no such thing as a legitimate claim, any foreign conquest is morally indefensible.

      • (Score: 1) by khallow on Friday November 06 2020, @02:40PM

        by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Friday November 06 2020, @02:40PM (#1073735) Journal
        We still haven't heard your evidence that the Koch brothers paid 14 billion to overthrow the Ukraine government.