After several early attempts, we have settled on a process for deciding on the final name for this site currently known as SoylentNews.org. You'll need to log in and go to: userprefs/homepage and check the box marked "Willing to Vote" if you'd like to participate (do this now, the submission round will go out soon). The vote will occur using an email-based solution loosely based on the Debian/Condercet method that we cooked up. Note: checking this box will indicate that we are scraping your email address from the database for participation (this is completely opt-in). If you wish not to participate, just make sure this box is unchecked (this is the default).
We are opening the floor to name suggestions. If you have suggested a name earlier, you'll need to re-submit it through this email voting system. Though we prefer available domains, if you have pre-purchased a domain (eg: to prevent squatters), by submitting the name you are stating that you are the owner of the domain(s) and will give it without strings attached to this project if it were to be chosen.
The criteria for an acceptable name:
This is how it will work:
If you're interested:
NCommander adds: So its finally here, and I wanted to apologize for the long delay before this actually happened. To the editoral team, please bump this to the top of the index for the next 24 hours so everyone gets a chance to see it (click 'fastforward' then save to autoupdate the timestamp). I promise a Featured Story option is coming in the next major update so we don't have to deal with this!
I will post these as comments to this one, one phase at a time. The Community Votes and the Staff Votes will both be posted, in the order they occurred (there is some overlap though).
People were asked to register for the vote by setting a flag in their user preferences. 507 did so.
In addition, more people were added by hand over the course of the various phases, those totaled 30 by the last vote.
The original email requesting submisssions went out seeded with one choice:
45 people that were registered sent suggestions email back, plus a few more were added from people added who were not registered, by staff. Three people missed the cutof time for that phase. (voting emails had already gone out).
The final list of submissions we got was this:
(1) absorbingnews.com(2) achetee.com(3) alphadot.com(4) altdiscuss.com(5) apt-get-news.com(6) baconnews.com(7) bangdot.org(8) bayesianews.com(9) beardrhetoric.com(10) boardkey.com(11) chattrnews.com(12) crosslog.com(13) dailybacon.net(14) deltachroma.com(15) devnull.com(16) dotbang.org(17) dotsalt.org(18) dupenews.com(19) eigentime.com(20) epsilonnexus.com(21) fetanews.com(22) firingsquid.com(23) forkbeta.com(24) forkdot.org(25) freedefy.com(26) freedivide.com(27) fuckbeta.com(28) futurians.com(29) gammavortex.com(30) geekcard.com(31) gitgot.com(32) grepcutnews.com(33) grepnews.com(34) hashsalt.org(35) hecknews.com(36) ionews.com(37) iorevolution.net(38) iotanexus.com(39) itarium.com(40) legitworksite.com(41) li694-22.com(42) linevertex.com(43) lostdash.com(44) lowlevelnews.com(45) ls-lnews.com(46) makemesmart.com(47) minddivide.com(48) nerdcard.net(49) nerdcraft.com(50) nerddiscourse.com(51) nerdgloss.com(52) nerdnewsnet.com(53) nerdpost.com(54) newschattr.com(55) newsconfig.com(56) newsdotorg.org(57) newsgrep.com(58) newsignal.com(59) newsisyou.com(60) newslash.org(61) newsping.com(62) newstat.com(63) newuucp.com(64) nntpping.com(65) noncorpnews.com(66) noncorporate.com(67) nunexus.com(68) omnidiscuss.com(69) pipebeard.com(70) port119.net(71) primedelta.com(72) pulsedot.net(73) reslashed.com(74) salientnews.net(75) salientnoise.com(76) saltdot.org(77) salthash.com(78) shpxurnq.com(79) sigmanexus.com(80) sigmavortex.com(81) silentmews.com(82) soylentnews.com(83) squintfeed.com(84) stealthnews.com(85) sudonews.com(86) techmatter.com(87) thegarlic.com(88) uuengeek.com(89) yottatalk.com(90) yottatech.com
The list (above) of proposed names was sent out to all registered voters and the late additions.
Voted in the Scoring round: 241 + 10 = 251 (241 registered plus ten of the late additions)Emails that had to be hand decoded: 1 (non-standard quoted-printable encoding)Emails that had to be hand counted (people added later): 10
People voting more than once:
Second vote unchanged at all : 2(no change to vote, probably forgot they had voted)
Order alone : 5(Order change suggests they misunderstood directions)
Order plus other changes : 3(indeterminate due to changes in what was voted for)
Raw Results with point totals shown:
TOTAL NAME(total pts)
(0)1228 soylentnews.com789 devnull.com379 sudonews.com346 grepnews.com208 apt-get-news.com(2950) (points used for first 5)
- top 5 above (this could change if some are unavailable) -
204 newsgrep.com198 port119.net198 geekcard.com188 dailybacon.net174 forkdot.org164 techmatter.com159 ionews.com150 li694-22.com147 newslash.org145 salientnews.net132 legitworksite.com126 newsdotorg.org116 bangdot.org116 dotbang.org110 baconnews.com97 altdiscuss.com93 alphadot.com89 thegarlic.com89 nerdcraft.com87 forkbeta.com86 nerdpost.com86 nerdcard.net85 fuckbeta.com80 dupenews.com80 hashsalt.org77 reslashed.com77 ls-lnews.com76 pulsedot.net79 firingsquid.com70 eigentime.com67 bayesianews.com66 lostdash.com64 newsping.com55 lowlevelnews.com52 newsignal.com50 crosslog.com44 salientnoise.com41 itarium.com40 uuengeek.com39 beardrhetoric.com39 silentmews.com38 yottatech.com37 nerddiscourse.com36 newsisyou.com36 boardkey.com35 nerdnewsnet.com33 freedivide.com32 fetanews.com29 omnidiscuss.com26 makemesmart.com25 minddivide.com22 saltdot.org22 newschattr.com21 noncorpnews.com21 gitgot.com21 absorbingnews.com20 squintfeed.com19 sigmanexus.com19 pipebeard.com18 futurians.com17 noncorporate.com16 salthash.com15 nerdgloss.com14 sigmavortex.com14 yottatalk.com14 chattrnews.com13 grepcutnews.com12 iorevolution.net12 deltachroma.com11 shpxurnq.com9 achetee.com9 gammavortex.com9 epsilonnexus.com9 dotsalt.org8 stealthnews.com8 newstat.com8 nntpping.com7 primedelta.com6 nunexus.com6 linevertex.com6 hecknews.com6 freedefy.com6 newuucp.com5 iotanexus.com4 newsconfig.com-(7839) (Total Points Used)
The points are shown to illustrate how difficult it is to predict anything from the initial ranking phase. It may look like Soylent was a sure win from this, but in fact, if you look at the points, those used for names OTHER than soylent far outnumber the soylent votes. Since only a few names will make it into the final vote all those points will need to go somewhere...
Now at this point we had to make a few decisions about the rules, some anticipated, some not.
The anticipated one was that all the names would be checked and we would try to get possession of them in .com, .net, and org. Any we could not, would be removed from consideration.
However, as it turned out, almost ALL the top choices would have been eliminated by this requirement. So we decided to relax that a bit to just the domains we ACTUALLY felt we needed, which were .org and .net. .com was less important, it is not like we were going to open a retail store...
Then there were some problems that were not anticipated.
The first one was that if we had to drop a name (and we did), the next name in line was newsgrep.com, which was nearly identical to grepnews.com - in fact they were deliberately submitted to be so, as an example. So a new rule was created: if two names are nearly identical, they get combined into one item, and if that item wins, a runoff is held between them.
The next problem was that two of those names had potentially serious copyright problems. Soylent we expected, but with apt-get-news in the running, that was pretty closely associated with Debian/Ubuntu, and in particular, it could cause a problem with NCommander in his work situation which could be VERY awkward. (Think about it: your company makes a product called the XP100plus, and one of your employees starts a site called 'xp1000plus.com' that has NOTHING to do with your company or product...).
At any moment, two of those names could be knocked out of the running, leaving us with a rather limited list for our runoff, consisting of
(if it happened after the list went out)
Sort of a limited choice...
So the next new rule was created: If a name has a copyright problem, another name will be added to the list as a backup in case that name gets knocked off the list later.
So, with the new rules in mind, the runoff list from the community vote turned out to be:
soylentnews.comsudonews.comgrepnews.com (or newsgrep)apt-get-news.comdailybacon.netforkdot.orgtechmatter.com
Now we needed to add the results of the staff top five to this, and delete any duplicates, to make up the final list that both staff and community would be voting on in the final round.
So the staff vote was next...
The staff vote worked exactly like the community votes, with an initial submission phase.
The initial email went out with just
just like the communithy vote..
Six staff submitted names.
-The initial name submissions were:-
(Just like the community vote, only names actually submitted could be voted on)
This initial list went out for ranking.
11 staff members voted.
The raw results were:
-Ranking Results (scores) for all submitted items:-
36 sudonews.org31 salientnews.org27 ionews.org22 newsgrep.org21 techmatter.org20 apt-get-news.org20 salientnoise.org20 grepnews.org19 crosslog.org18 freedefine.org17 futurians.org17 deltachroma.org17 soylentnews.org16 eigentime.org16 alphadot.org15 sigmanexus.org9 newslash.org8 omnidiscuss.org8 mindefine.org7 forkdot.org7 dailybacon.org
No duplicates or cheaters were detected. :-)
-Final Top 5 for Staff (derived using the same rules used for the community vote)-
sudonewssalientnews:salientnoise (similar names)newsgrep:grepnews (similar names)techmatterapt-get-news.orgcrosslog
Interesting that Soylent did not even make it into the staff top 5.
-Final Combined List To Be Used For the Final Runoff Votes (Staff and Community)-
This list is created by combining the top 5 from the community with the top 5 from the staff vote. The list is then alphabetized, and any duplicates removed. This is the list that will be used by both staff and the community for both final votes.
apt-get-newscrosslogdailybaconforkdotgrepnews or newsgrepsalientnews or salientnoisesoylentnewssudonewstechmatter
This is the big one. :-)
The combined staff and community top fives were sent out to the community.
Registered voters results
1253 7 soylentnews837 5 grepnews or newsgrep792 8 sudonews769 9 techmatter550 1 apt-get-news514 6 salientnews or salientnoise485 4 forkdot472 3 dailybacon447 2 crosslog
Add in points from a few manually added (kicked out, could not be decoded) ones:
1253+28 7 soylentnews837+29 5 grepnews or newsgrep792+4 8 sudonews769+15 9 techmatter550+3 1 apt-get-news514+5 6 salientnews or salientnoise485+8 4 forkdot472+10 3 dailybacon447+6 2 crosslog
Add in points from voters added after registration:
1253+28+91 7 soylentnews837+29+107 5 grepnews or newsgrep792+4+68 8 sudonews769+15+79 9 techmatter550+3+54 1 apt-get-news514+5+52 6 salientnews or salientnoise485+8+64 4 forkdot472+10+42 3 dailybacon447+6+37 2 crosslog
-Grand Final Totals for the community vote final runoff-
Score Name- -1372 soylentnews973 grepnews or newsgrep864 sudonews863 techmatter607 apt-get-news573 salientnews or salientnoise557 forkdot524 dailybacon490 crosslog
Now to the staff final vote, which by the rules, will prevail.
This is where the staff votes upon the exact same list as the community did (the combined list).
10 staff voted.
- All Rankings -44 grepnews or newsgrep40 soylentnews28 techmatter25 sudonews24 salientnews or salientnoise18 crosslog6 dailybacon6 forkdot5 apt-get-news
- First choices only-27 soylentnews27 grepnews or newsgrep9 techmatter9 salientnews or salientnoise9 sudonews
- First and Second choices only -35 grepnews or newsgrep27 soylentnews17 salientnews or salientnoise17 sudonews9 techmatter8 crosslog
This is very close. So close, in fact it made a lot of people on staff very uncomfortable with going with such a narrow staff win, against the wishes of the community which had both a much larger voter base and a much more clear choice for its favorite.
A decision was made in irc to have one more staff vote, this time on just one single issue. A new poll was started, with these choices:
 We should use the community vote results. I disagree
The results were:
63 We should use the community vote results.9 I disagree.
So there you have it. Pretty much a landslide.
The new name is...drum roll...
With the following next in line (in order) for backups, if that name should become unusable due to copyright conflicts:
grepnews or newsgrepsudonewstechmatterapt-get-newssalientnews or salientnoiseforkdotdailybaconcrosslog
And wouldn't you know it, after all that, I made a typo in the last, final, name that mattered.
Let's make that name: soylentnews.org. :-)
It probably would have been wise to have had a run-off vote between soylentnews, and newsgrep (or grepnews), so that way all the anti-soylent news people would be splitting votes across all those choices. I mean the votes for everything other than soylentnews way outnumbered soylentnews. It should have been required that the winner achieved a true majority, and since that wasn't the case, reduce the number of choices until one does (or just go for two right away).I say this as someone who, in fact, did vote for soylentnews as the name. It just doesn't seem fair though, that it was picked with less than majority..
I think there's something in the US water that makes people incapable of doing a two-candidate run-off. :)