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  • (Score: 1) by khallow on Friday November 23 2018, @02:12PM (9 children)

    by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Friday November 23 2018, @02:12PM (#765530) Journal

    I can relate to that protectionism. When do we start doing some of our own?

    The problem is that protectionism protects a small number of people at the expense of a lot of people.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 23 2018, @03:07PM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 23 2018, @03:07PM (#765542)

    As long as I'm part of the protected class, what's the problem? My membership card for the 1% Club should guarantee me a place on the right side of this.

    • (Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday November 24 2018, @06:54AM

      by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Saturday November 24 2018, @06:54AM (#765828) Journal

      As long as I'm part of the protected class, what's the problem?

      Exactly my point. When you're a member of the protected class, then things are good. When you're not a member of the protected class, then sucks to be you. Notice the spin on this particular story as "we didn't want those media sources anyway." It's real convenient for European media/social media competitors (who are the real protected class). Sure, they have to obey some onerous regulations, but the advantage now is that anyone entering the EU market has to massively restructure their business models.

      Meanwhile the EU public is less connected to the rest of the world and more in the dark as a result.

  • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday November 23 2018, @04:27PM (5 children)

    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Friday November 23 2018, @04:27PM (#765577) Homepage Journal

    Well, there are several billion people in this world, right? And, I want to protect a sub-class of those people. About .3 billion people, maybe minuse .05 billion illegal aliens. What's wrong with that? Someone has to keep the hordes at bay. Look what the vandals did to Rome!

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 23 2018, @06:08PM (2 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 23 2018, @06:08PM (#765614)

      There probably isnt any actual irony in your post is there?

      • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday November 23 2018, @06:17PM (1 child)

        by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Friday November 23 2018, @06:17PM (#765617) Homepage Journal

        Of course not. If you don't believe me, you can ask Crazy Horse, Sitting Bull, or dozens of other chiefs.

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 23 2018, @08:29PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 23 2018, @08:29PM (#765656)

          woooooooooooosh

          I totally believe you, I was just hoping you were going for irony instead of stupidity.

    • (Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday November 24 2018, @07:43AM (1 child)

      by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Saturday November 24 2018, @07:43AM (#765840) Journal
      Well, how much protection do those 300 million people (in the US) really need? Immigration is already a solved problem. The US can manage a 0.5% legal immigration rate till the end of time without significant drama, for example. And Obama pretty much solved the illegal immigration problem by providing both ample legal immigration combined with dropping illegal immigrants from consideration for legal immigration.

      For example, what would be wrong with auctioning off green cards (only good in the name of the buyer to discourage scalping) to the tune of say, 1 million such cards a year (roughly 0.3% immigration rate) with prompt background checks; penalties for illegal immigration (key one would be that you couldn't participate in the auction); and large fines for businesses that deliberately or negligently hire illegal immigrants? It solves a lot of the problems with current immigration such as it being far easier to illegally immigrate for many people than legally immigrate and the games with the various visa types.
      • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Saturday November 24 2018, @09:56AM

        by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Saturday November 24 2018, @09:56AM (#765847) Homepage Journal

        That scheme isn't entirely to my liking, but I don't have any real strong objections to it. We could negotiate on it, and hammer something out.

        My problem is with illegal aliens, first. But my REALLY big problem is with congress.

        In, uhhhhh - 1954 I think it was - we had Operation Wetback, in which we rounded up millions of illegals, and shipped them back to Mexico. (Many of those illegals were invited to the US TEMPORARILY during WW2 due to a rather severe labor shortage, then they just stayed.) At that point in time, congress said they were going to overhaul and update the immigration system. One of the lesser implications at that time, was that maybe some of those deportees might get to come back, if they wanted. Anyways - that can has been kicked down the road for sixty years plus now.

        _EVERY_SINGLE_CONGRESS_ since 1954 has _FAILED_TO_DO_IT'S_JOB!!!

        That really is the real problem. The bastards are lying to us, and they've been lying for more than sixty years. It isn't a partisan issue. How many times have the R's controlled congress since '54? They could have got it done. How many times have the D's controlled congress? THEY could have done the job. In sixty years, both parties have had time to do the job, unilaterally. It is obvious that the sons of bitches have their own agenda, which they are not sharing with us common folk.

        The specifics of any immigration scheme, or set of laws, matters little. Congress can enact laws that I don't like very much, and because those laws are the law of the land, I will probably go along with those laws. If congress is doing it's job, I will support congress. If congress is NOT doing it's job, then I won't support them.

        And, I'll add one more thing that might actually surprise you. I can actually empathize with some of those illegal aliens. I actually personally meet people who are affected by congress inaction. They have a choice of going the legal route, and probably dying of old age before they get all their paper work in order - OR - they can pay a coyote to bring them across the border. Despite the fact that I empathize with them, and despite the fact that some of them really are good people, and despite the fact that I LIKE some of them, THEY ARE STILL ILLEGAL!!

        The lying bastards in Washington need to fix the problem. And, they need to end that abomination called "birthright citizenship". That amendment was very literally, purposely written for former slaves and the descendants of former slaves. IT DID NOT EVEN APPLY TO NATIVE AMERICANS AT THE TIME!! The amendment applies ONLY to people who have one or more parents who is an American citizen.

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  • (Score: 2) by MichaelDavidCrawford on Saturday November 24 2018, @05:03AM

    by MichaelDavidCrawford (2339) Subscriber Badge <mdcrawford@gmail.com> on Saturday November 24 2018, @05:03AM (#765802) Homepage Journal

    I would be unsurprised were the driving force behind the Sugar Tariff to be the corn industry. Consider that corn can be grown in far more US states than can be sugar can. There are also sugar beets which are grown in California's central valley; I expect it's grown elsewhere in the US but do not know specifically.

    When the tariff was enacted, all the soda pop got its sugar replaced by High Fructose Corn Syrup - that's why I drink Mexican Coca-Cola when I can; now Mexican Fanta is available in the US as well.

    Lots of American candy manufacturers moved their production to other countries. If you consider the resulting loss of American jobs, to the paltry sum of US sugar can and beet jobs that benefitted from the tariff you will see that more jobs were lost than were gained.

    However I do not know about corn jobs.

    The corn industry also benefits from requirements to add Ethyl Alcohol to gasoline; while that does reduce pollution modestly, it requires more energy to produce alcohol from corn than can be extracted by burning that alcohol in motor vehicles. I expect that most of the energy required to grow and transport corn then produce the ethanol is supplied by diesel fuel, which is far more polluting than gasoline; specifically it has more Sulfur.

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