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American history is filled with war stories that subsequently unraveled. Consider the Bush administration's false claims about Saddam Hussein's supposed arsenal of weapons of mass destruction or the imagined attack on a U.S. vessel in the Gulf of Tonkin. Now Johnathan Mahler writes in the NY Times about the inconsistencies in the official US story about bin Laden's death. "Almost immediately, the administration had to correct some of the most significant details of the raid," writes Mahler. Bin Laden had not been ''engaged in a firefight,'' as the deputy national-security adviser, John Brennan, initially told reporters; he'd been unarmed. Nor had he used one of his wives as a human shield. The president and his senior advisers hadn't been watching a ''live feed'' of the raid in the Situation Room; the operation had not been captured on helmet-cams.
But according to Mahler there is the sheer improbability of the story itself, which asked us to believe that Obama sent 23 SEALs on a seemingly suicidal mission, invading Pakistani air space without air or ground cover, fast-roping into a compound that, if it even contained bin Laden, by all rights should have been heavily guarded. How likely was that? Abbottabad is basically a garrison town; the conspicuously large bin Laden compound — three stories, encircled by an 18-foot-high concrete wall topped with barbed wire — was less than two miles from Pakistan's equivalent of West Point. ''The story stunk from Day 1,'' says Seymour Hersh whose most consequential claim was about how bin Laden was found in the first place. According to Hersh, it was not years of painstaking intelligence-gathering, he wrote, that led the United States to the courier and, ultimately, to bin Laden. Instead, the location was revealed by a ''walk-in'' — a retired Pakistani intelligence officer who was after the $25 million reward that the United States had promised anyone who helped locate him. And according to Hersh, the daring raid wasn't especially daring. The Pakistanis allowed the U.S. helicopters into their airspace and cleared out the guards at the compound before the SEALs arrived. The most blatant lie was that Pakistan's two most senior military leaders – General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, chief of the army staff, and General Ahmed Shuja Pasha, director general of the ISI – were never informed of the US mission.
"It's not that the truth about bin Laden's death is unknowable," concludes Mahler. "it's that we don't know it. And we can't necessarily console ourselves with the hope that we will have more answers any time soon; to this day, the final volume of the C.I.A.'s official history of the Bay of Pigs remains classified. We don't know what happened more than a half-century ago, much less in 2011."
(Score: 1, Flamebait) by zugedneb on Friday October 23 2015, @01:47PM
Knowledge and will, bro, is not enough.
Preaching to the choir is also not enough.
You have to be a disgusting, disgusting person to achieve something.
Like, as example the jews.
Sure, many are educated and such, but partly the are standing not on the shoulders of giants but mountains of "claimed dead", and partly they own a lot of the media and produce content that you (me and many here) would not read even in prison.
The disgusting is, bro, what is called "financed".
And they are financed by those you would want to save, namely the innocent civilian, the human =)
I digress, but it is possible for small, committed groups of people to build something better than this trainwreck of a system, and that gives me hope. But the first step, that you zeroed in on, is to lose the fear.
Not that I disagree, but pull that sentence to your pregnant wife, or to your friend with 3 kids...
U see, this is why I troll. Cuz u are idiots.
The jews own the people, through the spiritually compatible merchandise they sell the people. The government is just some guys with money, who do what they can allow themselves.
The people need not guys like me looking like a russian criminal, promising to fight to death for them.
The people need not the government - the gamblers and wardogs on the "international arena". (wtf is that even?)
The probably need not mad kings and shining paladins either.
The people need, and choose, the sophisticated and disgusting jews, even if they become owned and pwnd by them.
old saying: "a troll is a window into the soul of humanity" + also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Ajax
(Score: 1, Flamebait) by zugedneb on Friday October 23 2015, @02:10PM
One of the "aha, wow" moments for me was when an ex swedish minister of state, Göran Persson, told how he did and felt, when he went to borrow money to keep the swedish welfare afloat, cuz taxes were not enought to cover for the feast.
What is a government, when the banks (and jews, for sake of argument) ended up with the power and money?
The government has only the power it gets through the taxes.
If people pour and not enough tax and nobody gives or lends, they can sit the chamberpot made up by the country borders and wait for tourists to come and fuck small children...
And when the people work and pull a country to its feet, they give it away then to the "government". Or corporations... Or whatever.
There was/are a lot of people and media badmouthing the dude, the swedish minister, without even knowing how their fucking country works.
People are shit.
I am not s sophisticated, although educated as hell...
Inside, I am a natural born military personal type of guy.
But I say, fuck the people. Let the jews and banks own them, as they are incapable of caring for their country and government.
Fucking tired of always relying on "special groups", to defeat corrupt government, build new government, watching the watcher, or what the fuck their are needed to do.
The best moment in a film ever is when, in Battlestar Galactica, some bozo trying to force the wife of the chief (the engineer) to pull the trigger on an enemy, and the wife can't pull the trigger. AHAHAHAHA...
I wish, all brutal people, who know blood and combat, would say "no more" and would just take their wives and daughters, priests and psychiatrist to the slaughter.
"U pull the trigger, u coward, embedded, safe fucking worm of human being... No more special groups that take care of u. U fucking do it urself!1!!!11"
but alas...
what a stupid fucking rant...
old saying: "a troll is a window into the soul of humanity" + also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Ajax