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on Wednesday April 02 2014, @08:32AM
from the the-answer-is-blowing-in-the-wind dept.
from the the-answer-is-blowing-in-the-wind dept.
A new study published in the Journal of Epidemiology and Community Health authored by researchers at the University College of London has found that the more vegetables (and, to a lesser extent, fresh fruit) you eat the better your chances of longevity.
As the popular press is reporting, Oyinlola Oyebode, the study's lead researcher, said in a prepared statement that "We all know that eating fruit and vegetables is healthy, but the size of the effect is staggering." The research established correlation, not causation, but the findings are consistent with already-established guidelines from worldwide governmental health agencies. If you want to live a long and healthy life, eat plenty of veggies.
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(Score: 3, Interesting) by Serial_Priest on Wednesday April 02 2014, @04:44PM
In TFA, the study's authors indicate that their data for vegetable consumption was self-reported. But it is not unusual for people to lie about what they eat, both to themselves and others.
For example, see: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1454084 [nih.gov] (suggesting that fat people lie about how much they actually eat, even when they know they are being monitored.)
To my thinking, the underlying data and methodology in this study are unreliable.
(Score: 1) by Yog-Yogguth on Wednesday April 02 2014, @10:15PM
I'm also skeptical of the study of TFA but also disagree a bit with the suggestion you make from your reference although I might be nitpicking.
Main point: I'm not sure it's lying, it might in fact be an attempt at being as truthful as possible even if actually wrong.
My opinion is that most fat people (and probably an awful lot of thin people too, some of them are in no way healthy) suffer from unidentified or atypical undernourishment and the fat people are extremely hungry as a result which skews their perception into "being this hungry it's impossible for me to have eaten more than..." and so on. The problem isn't that the body is wrong or "lying", the problem is that the body is right and that one repeats the mistake by giving it more of what didn't work for as long as it takes.
Most likely this is a result of the incredibly wrong "any and all fat is bad" meme that destroyed regular traditional food consumption because fat, just a little bit of fat like a quarter of a sausage or a fried egg or a strip of bacon satiates far more than ten or even twenty times as much non-fatty food. Add a little coleslaw (or similar) [wikipedia.org] to "play around" with and accentuate the fat and you're likely already far more healthy than any amount of western vegetarians (Indians do it right with lots of fatty vegetarian food because if you can't taste the fat then neither can your gut). And happier :)
The human body/the digestive system triggers the "stop eating you have enough food" signal on very moderate fat consumption (this fact is the sane part of the Atkins diet) and without fat you instead have to wait for the rather bad "no more space" signal which depends a lot on how fit/tight you are (making you likely to overeat a lot no matter how "healthy" the food is).
Thin people who live exclusively on non-fatty food and think everything is all right (aka "health freaks") probably have a broken digestive signaling system and serious hidden health problems. It's not too hard to spot/suspect.
I don't want to give the impression that I think this is all that's going on: of course it isn't, but I'm convinced it's a part of it that's too easily glossed over.
At the risk of making a fallacy I'd say people "think" fat people have to eat a lot (some do) just like people also "think" trees grow out of the ground by "eating a lot of soil" (they don't really) instead of mostly out of the air (the leaves are the "mouths" of a tree: photosynthesis = sunlight & carbon dioxide from the air while roots, trunk, and branches are mostly just water transportation, sugar storage, and structural support).
The easiest recipe for becoming fat is to toy with starvation (including eating non-food) and then start eating normal food: your system will be completely messed up and desperately suck every possible bit of energy out of everything making you fat. Getting back to a normal state takes a lot of time and effort: you've got to eat more actual food (and fat!) and spend ridiculously more energy.
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