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According to The Hill a lawsuit argued the agency failed to follow rulemaking procedures on the devices before deploying them.
A federal judge ordered the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) on Friday to quickly finalize a rulemaking procedure for the controversial full-body scanners it uses at airport security checkpoints across the country.
The agency was sued by the Competitive Enterprise Institute (CEI) over the controversial devices in a lawsuit that argued that the TSA did not follow federal procedure for rulemaking when it decided to deploy the scanners, which are known as Advanced Imaging Technology (AIT) devices.
The U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit ruled in favor of the plaintiffs on Friday, ordering the TSA to "submit to the court a schedule for the expeditious issuance of a final rule" on the full-body scanners within 30 days.
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(Score: 3, Insightful) by Dale on Tuesday October 27 2015, @08:15PM
The TSA is the biggest example of how the terrorists won. Sad but true. The money we have wasted on TSA along should be declared a national disaster. The groping, shoe removal, liquid restrictions, etc are all just pitiful and terrible. The scanners are probably the least offensive thing TSA has done, yet it seems to be the one thing people have actually complained about. How do people complain about this scan but not the groping and other crap? That being said, I doubt the powers that be really are going to care much more about this court ruling than other court rulings they've ignored. As far as TSA goes, burn it to the ground and start over. There is no redemption to the current incarnation.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 27 2015, @09:16PM
It wasn't "terrorism" that won, the whole concept has been hijacked to inspire fear in the populace and enact police state style policies. I'm sure the perpetrators enjoy seeing the erosion of our freedoms, but it wasn't their purpose. Their purpose is to enact vengeance and attempt to dissuade interference with their actions, in that case it failed spectacularly though it has probably led to an increase in volunteers... Everyone has lost as the war machine keeps rolling onward, even those who benefit from it in the short term.
(Score: 2) by GreatAuntAnesthesia on Wednesday October 28 2015, @11:12AM
Actually, when you consider that Osama Bin Laden's stated goal for 9/11 was to whip the US up into a state of frenzied military spending that would ultimate ruin it... I'd say he won. He's laughing at you from his grave right now*
*Assuming he's actually dead, of course, what with the body being conveniently lost at sea. My personal tinfoil is that he was dead long before that raid took place, but that's another matter.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 27 2015, @09:50PM
As far as TSA goes, burn it to the ground and start over.
Start over? Merely starting won't fix the constitutional issues that arise when you have government thugs searching everyone who wants to get on a plane.
(Score: 2) by Dale on Tuesday October 27 2015, @09:54PM
A rebuild from the ground up could start fresh and stay within the needed 4th amendment rights and allow for sane and effective security. To get the fresh rebuild from the ground up though the whole thing has to be burned.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 27 2015, @10:34PM
How? What "sane and effective" security do you have in mind that doesn't violate the constitution? Because we can't have government thugs searching people.
(Score: 2) by isostatic on Tuesday October 27 2015, @10:55PM
A locked cockpit door
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 27 2015, @11:28PM
Well, we have that, but does it necessarily relate to the TSA? I'm just wondering where this New TSA comes in.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 28 2015, @10:11AM
Germanwings Flight 9525
(The result of which was not outlawing locked doors, but stricter rules for pilots' mental health checks, AND a requirement that there always be two crew members in the cockpit - which in the case a pilot needs to use the bath room will result in someone who is not a pilot - and thus don't get their mental health checked at all - sitting in the pilots seat).
(Score: 2) by isostatic on Wednesday October 28 2015, @05:05PM
What happens if there's two pilots in the cockpit, and one of them knocks the other one out? The usual over-reaction.
Helios Flight 522 was more concerning. Both of these events were victims of the reaction after 9/11. Now locking the cockpit door prevents 9/11 style events, but instead causes 9525/522 events. It's a toss up as to which is a better policy.
So how does the TSA stop this?
Groping 13 year old girls does not prevent 9/11 or 9525/522.
(Score: 2) by Dale on Wednesday October 28 2015, @04:37PM
I never had issues with the metal detectors and scanning of bags like they used to do. I don't really have issues with the "don't bring a gun on the plane" bit and other normal stuff we had prior. I remember as a child my dad having to measure his pocket knife to make sure the blade was under 3,4,5 inches (no idea what the rule was) and that was the extent of things. Shaving cream is not a threat to the plane or anyone on it. Fingernail clippers are not either. A bottle of water or soda having to be tossed is just idiotic. I don't really care if the airlines run it or some successor agency to TSA. It isn't like passengers are going to let things stand like was common practice prior to 9/11. The fact that we would save billions of dollars by being rational is an obvious bonus.
(Score: 2) by isostatic on Wednesday October 28 2015, @05:01PM
A bottle of water or soda having to be tossed is just idiotic
Not to the companies selling water and soda after the security checkpoint.
Of course "tossing" bombs is a very dangerous place. Next time you go through a checkpoint and see someone's water bottle tossed, run like hell. It's a bomb (which is why they confiscated it), and they haven't called bomb disposal in.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 27 2015, @09:55PM
Just wait until they secure railroad stations, stadiums, and schools.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by N3Roaster on Tuesday October 27 2015, @11:33PM
People complain about things that affect them. Most air travellers are not getting groped. The shoe removal and liquid restrictions are generally seen as silly but easily anticipated. The scanners, on the other hand, slow things down and at a busy airport it slows things down far too much. For those of us old enough to remember or who travel internationally to places that haven't also implemented these scanners there's a very clear contrast. The scanners are a bad experience all around. Those curious to dig a little deeper on the matter and learn how much money has been spent on the scanners and what the actual security impact is would be right to complain about it. That doesn't mean the other stuff is fine, but most air travellers have not been subjected to it, so they don't complain about it. Regrettable, but understandable.
Posted from the Detroit airport where I had a very long chat with CBP about all the nothing they were finding with me.
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