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posted by cmn32480 on Friday November 27 2015, @06:07AM   Printer-friendly
from the stand-up dept.

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A coalition of dozens of the largest tech companies in the world is adamantly opposing any form of an official "backdoor" into encrypted devices.

The Information Technology Industry Council is a group of more than 60 major tech companies and organizations, including Google, Apple, Microsoft, Intel and Facebook.

"We deeply appreciate law enforcement's and the national security community's work to protect us," the council said in a statement issued Thursday, "but weakening encryption or creating backdoors to encrypted devices and data for use by the good guys would actually create vulnerabilities to be exploited by the bad guys, which would almost certainly cause serious physical and financial harm across our society and our economy."

Source: http://www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/tech-industry-coalition-defies-calls-weakened-encryption-n466616


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  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by nyder on Friday November 27 2015, @07:20AM

    by nyder (4525) on Friday November 27 2015, @07:20AM (#268553)

    The problem is America has no long term goals. We have nothing we are really proud about, no big national thing we can get behind, and our politicians have sold us out to rich. We have a government that spends so much time fighting each other that they decided to spend 1.5 years on next years election. A government that can barely get it's shit together to do it's budget and has no problem holding the poor hostage because of it.

    What we need to do is stop spending trillions of dollars in military and not only build up our nation (education needs some work), but maybe work on getting a man mission to Mars sometime in the future. Why not spend billions of those trillions helping third world countries join the rest of the world in comfort and modern plumbing.

    Seriously, let's stop being dicks and start doing something useful with our nation.

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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by frojack on Friday November 27 2015, @07:41AM

    by frojack (1554) Subscriber Badge on Friday November 27 2015, @07:41AM (#268560) Journal

    What you see is a country pretty much in a permanent peace time mode of operation. Other than a brief few months right after 9/11, the country hasn't been mobilized on anything like a war-time basis since the Korean War.

    You seem to be asking for a wsr time mobilization.

    And quite frankly I'd rather not see that happen, and I suspect you would be the first one in line to bitch if a national goal was suddenly established and a concerted effort launched to achieve it. No matter what goal was chosen it would be the wrong goal, at the wrong time foisted on the wrong people.

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    • (Score: 5, Insightful) by NotSanguine on Friday November 27 2015, @08:27AM

      by NotSanguine (285) <NotSanguineNO@SPAMSoylentNews.Org> on Friday November 27 2015, @08:27AM (#268576) Homepage Journal

      What you see is a country pretty much in a permanent peace time mode of operation. Other than a brief few months right after 9/11, the country hasn't been mobilized on anything like a war-time basis since the Korean War.

      You seem to be asking for a wsr time mobilization.

      I don't think that's what OP was suggesting. Rather, I think he/she would like to see two things:
      1. Redirect some of the resources we're currently expending on enriching the Military/Intelligence/Industrial complex and "protecting" us with mass surveillance, a bloated military and the latest killing machines, and spend some of that money on creative activities, whether here, abroad, or in space.
      2. Change the mission statement of Congress, Inc. from lining the pockets of their owners to serving the interests of the population they purport to represent.

      Neither of those two things require any sort of "war time mobilization," unless that means arming and training folks to murder 535 folks who are engaged in undermining our nation.

      And quite frankly I'd rather not see that happen, and I suspect you would be the first one in line to bitch if a national goal was suddenly established and a concerted effort launched to achieve it. No matter what goal was chosen it would be the wrong goal, at the wrong time foisted on the wrong people.

      Given that our corporate masters have pitted us against each other pretty successfully, it does seem rather unlikely that we, as a country, can find enough agreement to set some achievable goals which might serve to bring us together in common cause. That's kind of sad, IMHO.

      But just because it's unlikely, that doesn't mean it's impossible -- just that it's difficult. As a life-long optimist, I'd like to see something like that. I'd like to see that a lot.

      In fact, I'd like to invoke the memory of one of the greatest of us [imdb.com] when I say:

      Now, we could fight 'em with conventional weapons. That could take years and cost millions of lives. Oh no. No, in this case, I think we have to go all out. I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part.

      More seriously, I think the point is that we're not just producing/consuming economic animals. We're humans. We thrive on challenge and the chance to be something more. Hiding behind our military and handing over our liberties in a futile effort to be safe is the coward's way. Creating a better world for *everyone* makes us all better and stronger. Sitting in your house and thinking, "fuck all the rest of you, I had to work hard for what I've got!" won't help you. It just creates a harsher world and empowers those who want to be the boot that would stomp on all of our faces, forever.

      Feel free to disagree, but I really believe that we are stronger together. E Pluribus Unum used to mean something. I'd like it if it did again.

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      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by takyon on Friday November 27 2015, @08:48AM

        by takyon (881) <{takyon} {at} {soylentnews.org}> on Friday November 27 2015, @08:48AM (#268584) Journal

        Given that our corporate masters have pitted us against each other pretty successfully, it does seem rather unlikely that we, as a country, can find enough agreement to set some achievable goals which might serve to bring us together in common cause. That's kind of sad, IMHO.

        But just because it's unlikely, that doesn't mean it's impossible -- just that it's difficult. As a life-long optimist, I'd like to see something like that. I'd like to see that a lot.

        http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/ [opensecrets.org]

        Mountaire Corp (involved with poultry) will always care about "ag gag" laws more than the average citizen. American Crystal Sugar will always care about the farm bills more than the average citizen. Lockheed Martin will always care more about the U.S. defense budget more than the average citizen. The list goes on.

        Even a well-rounded citizen can't pay attention to every political issue and decision. That's where the lobby groups come in. In some rare cases the rich might battle it out on opposite sides (Silicon Valley lobbyists vs. Hollywood lobbyists). In others, like the defense industry, it's just more money piled onto the winning horse. The public's horses have been shot in the legs and are struggling to keep up.

        Imagine a near ban on lobbying (institutionalized bribery) complete with campaign finance reform. The money will then change hands less obviously, and sites like Open Secrets will be unable to track it.

        Optimism is out. Managing your pessimism is in.

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        • (Score: 2) by NotSanguine on Friday November 27 2015, @09:13AM

          by NotSanguine (285) <NotSanguineNO@SPAMSoylentNews.Org> on Friday November 27 2015, @09:13AM (#268591) Homepage Journal

          Optimism is out. Managing your pessimism is in.

          Manage my pessimism? So I should get fitted for a comfy face pad [rackcdn.com] then, eh?

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          • (Score: 2) by takyon on Friday November 27 2015, @04:47PM

            by takyon (881) <{takyon} {at} {soylentnews.org}> on Friday November 27 2015, @04:47PM (#268709) Journal

            Now, we could fight 'em with conventional weapons. That could take years and cost millions of lives. Oh no. No, in this case, I think we have to go all out. I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part.

            Well you're not dead from trying to overthrow the government(s), so you are either doing something behind the scenes or nothing at all.

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            • (Score: 2) by NotSanguine on Friday November 27 2015, @09:48PM

              by NotSanguine (285) <NotSanguineNO@SPAMSoylentNews.Org> on Friday November 27 2015, @09:48PM (#268821) Homepage Journal

              Now, we could fight 'em with conventional weapons. That could take years and cost millions of lives. Oh no. No, in this case, I think we have to go all out. I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part.

              Well you're not dead from trying to overthrow the government(s), so you are either doing something behind the scenes or nothing at all.

              If you google the quotation (which is not mine), I think you'll find that you have no sense of humor. At all.

              If you want to pick on something else in my post, why not this:

              E Pluribus Unum used to mean something. I'd like it if it did again.

              As your tone implies that you're not so into that either.

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    • (Score: 2) by nyder on Friday November 27 2015, @06:19PM

      by nyder (4525) on Friday November 27 2015, @06:19PM (#268734)

      Except you are wrong about your assumptions of me. And I'm guessing wrong about other things. The USA hasn't been in peace time since 9/11. We've been invading other countries and killing people in the middle east. Maybe you call it peace, but ask all those people who aren't terrorist that we have killed in the middle east.

      Actually, this is funny. You are trying to change what I'm saying by saying I'm just bitching and nothing would be stop my bitching. So, in your mind, not changing anything and putting down those who want change is the way to go. Ya, well, fuck you and your bullshit. You are the problem, Mr. Status Quo.

      • (Score: 2) by frojack on Saturday November 28 2015, @02:35AM

        by frojack (1554) Subscriber Badge on Saturday November 28 2015, @02:35AM (#268956) Journal

        The USA hasn't been in peace time since 9/11. We've been invading other countries and killing people in the middle east.

        Son, you are just too young to remember what wartime mobilization is. I suggest you go as your grandpa.
        You've never seen it, because you think just because we are fighting a war we are mobilized for war, focusing the nation's resources on that war.
        In short life goes on as normal back home while wars are fought with smart bombs and stand-off missiles, and drones, and the world's most invincible tanks.

        You should probably take some time to learn reading comprehension while you are talking to your elders about what a real war is.

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