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posted by janrinok on Friday April 04 2014, @07:48PM   Printer-friendly
from the never-one-to-stay-silent dept.

From an email from Linus Torvalds to GKH

"Greg just for your information, I will *not* be merging any code from Kay [Sievers] into the kernel until this constant pattern is fixed.

This has been going on for *years*, and doesn't seem to be getting any better. This is relevant to you because I have seen you talk about the kdbus patches, and this is a heads-up that you need to keep them separate from other work. Let distributions merge it as they need to and maybe we can merge it once it has been proven to be stable by whatever distro that was willing to play games with the developers.

But I'm not willing to merge something where the maintainer is known to not care about bugs and regressions and then forces people in other projects to fix their project. Because I am *not* willing to take patches from people who don't clean up after their problems, and don't admit that it's their problem to fix."

 
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  • (Score: 5, Interesting) by Ethanol-fueled on Friday April 04 2014, @08:45PM

    by Ethanol-fueled (2792) on Friday April 04 2014, @08:45PM (#26379) Homepage

    If you were in charge of Linux, you'd bet your ass you'd be every bit as curt and abrasive as Linus is just as you are being right now.

    You need a tough sonofabitch to keep the project on track, whatever that track may be, and Linus is doing an awesome job for just one person. You can't have a bed-wetting crybaby or a soft-talking appeaser as a leader for such a project. If that makes him wrong once or twice, then tough shit -- you're free to run Windows or BeOS if you don't agree with Linus the Messiah.

    p.s. Welcome back. I knew you'd come back, they always do, bwahahahah.

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  • (Score: 0, Flamebait) by Khyber on Friday April 04 2014, @08:56PM

    by Khyber (54) on Friday April 04 2014, @08:56PM (#26385) Journal

    "If you were in charge of Linux, you'd bet your ass you'd be every bit as curt and abrasive as Linus is just as you are being right now."

    I see the shades of your eyes getting more brown by the minute.

    You don't even know me, yet you assume that I'd make the same mistakes Linus is currently making?

    I'm not that socially inept, sir.

    --
    Destroying Semiconductors With Style Since 2008, and scaring you ill-educated fools since 2013.
    • (Score: 4, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 04 2014, @09:11PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 04 2014, @09:11PM (#26393)

      I'm not that socially inept, sir.

      I don't know about that. I just read both of your posts in this thread and I think they prove that you are.

      • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 04 2014, @09:21PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 04 2014, @09:21PM (#26400)

        Not to mention his posts elsewhere...

    • (Score: 4, Insightful) by hybristic on Friday April 04 2014, @09:52PM

      by hybristic (10) on Friday April 04 2014, @09:52PM (#26420) Journal

      I don't believe anyone, including Linus is saying that they don't mess up. If you read the mailing list like I do, you will see that he proposes a fix, and someone else comes up with a better idea. Linus then admits that the other idea is better. The issue here is Kay has consistently produced code that causes bugs and then refuses to own up to them or fix them. He never said no one can ever fuck up, just that he noticed a trend and he refuses to perpetuate it.

      outside of that, I am curious where you think Linus if messing up? While he is the authority on the kernel, plenty of other people develop code, create their own solutions and hope it gets merged. These pushes get seen by a few people before making it to Linus in a lot of cases. He just has final say as to whether something is stable enough, or makes enough sense to make it into the code. While I agree he can be a dick, hes consistent. I have been reading LKML for a few years, and I have always seen a consistent response from him. If you break user space, expect to get chewed out. This is his project, and he has made his idea of success very clear. People can either get on board with that, or they can go work on something else. I don't find that to be unreasonable.

      • (Score: 1, Redundant) by Geotti on Friday April 04 2014, @10:23PM

        by Geotti (1146) on Friday April 04 2014, @10:23PM (#26430) Journal

        Mod parent up!
        Thanks for the context, hybristic!

    • (Score: 1) by EQ on Saturday April 05 2014, @04:18AM

      by EQ (1716) on Saturday April 05 2014, @04:18AM (#26540)

      Thanks. My first filtered asshole on a Soy. Buhbye

  • (Score: 2) by Geotti on Friday April 04 2014, @10:27PM

    by Geotti (1146) on Friday April 04 2014, @10:27PM (#26433) Journal

    you're free to run Windows or BeOS if you don't agree with Linus the Messiah

    You forgot BSD, which actually works quite well as an alternative as opposed to the other two weird, out of date OSs that you proposed.

    Now, if you would have mentioned Haiku instead of BeOS, then it would be just one weird, out of date OS, but no, you just wanted to play fanboi...