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posted by janrinok on Friday April 04 2014, @07:48PM   Printer-friendly
from the never-one-to-stay-silent dept.

From an email from Linus Torvalds to GKH

"Greg just for your information, I will *not* be merging any code from Kay [Sievers] into the kernel until this constant pattern is fixed.

This has been going on for *years*, and doesn't seem to be getting any better. This is relevant to you because I have seen you talk about the kdbus patches, and this is a heads-up that you need to keep them separate from other work. Let distributions merge it as they need to and maybe we can merge it once it has been proven to be stable by whatever distro that was willing to play games with the developers.

But I'm not willing to merge something where the maintainer is known to not care about bugs and regressions and then forces people in other projects to fix their project. Because I am *not* willing to take patches from people who don't clean up after their problems, and don't admit that it's their problem to fix."

 
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  • (Score: 2) by neagix on Saturday April 05 2014, @09:07AM

    by neagix (25) on Saturday April 05 2014, @09:07AM (#26593)

    Wait aaaa minute since when this is not allowed anymore? and what do you mean specifically?

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  • (Score: 2) by zocalo on Saturday April 05 2014, @09:49AM

    by zocalo (302) on Saturday April 05 2014, @09:49AM (#26603)
    There's more in this in this writeup [freedesktop.org]. Basically, "/usr" is required to be pre-mounted because the Udev developers thought it would be a good idea to put force all the tools in "/sbin" onto the same physical partition as "/usr". The problem with that idea is that you *need* those tools to do things in the start up sequence upto and including the point where you can mount partitions, so "/usr" now has to go on the root partition. Since that contains stuff that must be writable, you can no longer mount the "/usr" partition read-only and use that as a hardening technique.

    And yes, there's a lot more of the "not our fault!" attitude, and although that write up is by the SystemD team and Udev caused the breakage, there's such a heavy overlap between the members of the two teams it doesn't really make much difference.
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    • (Score: 2) by neagix on Monday April 07 2014, @06:32AM

      by neagix (25) on Monday April 07 2014, @06:32AM (#27309)

      Yeah, I heard about this. I was wondering about the possibility to delete /tmp across reboots.

      In general, it's like hearing the loud screech of the chains of legacy...not saying that everything should have been left untouched, but that not all the problems have been addressed with the new solutions.

      Is this the chance for a new init project (Epoch?) or maturity will be reached afterwards?

      Disclaimer: I would have forbidden the author to access any PC just because of PulseAudio already