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posted by cmn32480 on Monday December 07 2015, @04:47PM   Printer-friendly
from the don't-be-a-meanie dept.

Tom Simonite writes at MIT Technology Review that the Wikimedia Foundation is rolling out new software trained to know the difference between an honest mistake and intentional vandalism in an effort to make editing Wikipedia less psychologically bruising. One motivation for the project is a significant decline in the number of people considered active contributors to the flagship English-language Wikipedia: it has fallen by 40 percent over the past eight years, to about 30,000.

Research indicates that the problem is rooted in Wikipedians' complex bureaucracy and their often hard-line responses to newcomers' mistakes, enabled by semi-automated tools that make deleting new changes easy. The new ORES system, for "Objective Revision Evaluation Service," can be trained to score the quality of new changes to Wikipedia and judge whether an edit was made in good faith or not. ORES can allow editing tools to direct people to review the most damaging changes. The software can also help editors treat rookie or innocent mistakes more appropriately, says Aaron Halfaker who helped diagnose that problem and is now leading a project trying to fight it. "I suspect the aggressive behavior of Wikipedians doing quality control is because they're making judgments really fast and they're not encouraged to have a human interaction with the person," says Halfaker. "This enables a tool to say, 'If you're going to revert this, maybe you should be careful and send the person who made the edit a message.'"


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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 09 2015, @03:25AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 09 2015, @03:25AM (#273775)

    The last I heard, decisions in the Articles for Deletion process were supposed to be based upon the arguments presented in the deletion discussion, not on the mere number of accounts favouring each side.

    If someone appears to be misusing multiple accounts, one can request a so-called sockpuppet investigation [wikipedia.org] and sometimes the matter will get looked into. In doing those investigations, only a few of Wikipedia's administrators (those with "CheckUser" privilege) are able to see the IP address from which someone is logging in, and they are supposed to only look at that information only when there's "clear, behavioural evidence" of abuse.

  • (Score: 2) by NoMaster on Wednesday December 09 2015, @07:38AM

    by NoMaster (3543) on Wednesday December 09 2015, @07:38AM (#273845)

    On consideration, I probably shouldn't have mentioned that specific case - it was an example only of how easily Wikipedia's too-rigid processes can be manipulated and, in order to keep it non-identifiable except to those already involved in / watching it, I kept detail to a minimum. But since I did bring it up and you've suggested an option for dealing with it, I'll expand on relevant parts a bit:

    • The known sock/meatpuppet IP accounts I referred to did not vote in the AfD process (although others did - all on the side of the editor with the CoI), nor did they (as far as I know) edit the page. They only commented in the discussion to back up the editor involved and muddy the waters further. Other IP accounts did vote (all on that editors , but I haven't bothered to look at them).
    • While I don't know the IP the editor involved uses to log in to WP, those sock/meatpuppet IP addresses are somewhat geographically separated and not 'owned' by him. They can, however, be easily connected to him through his off-wiki activity - amongst other things, his name, job, employer, contributions to his field and hobbies, and other interests are well known in certain circles, and investigating those avenues shows he has access to the IPs in question.

    WP:SPI won't work, because:

    • WP:SPI requires behavioural evidence from within Wikipedia; the page you linked clearly states "The evidence will need to include diffs of edits that suggest the accounts are connected". Since the known sock/meatpuppet IPs have not edited, only commented on the talk page of this one article, there are no diffs to show.
    • Even if you could push past that to initiate a WP:CHK technical investigation, it will be rejected because "CheckUsers will only conduct a technical investigation if clear, behavioural evidence of sock puppetry is also submitted; if you ask for technical evidence to be looked at but do not provide behavioural evidence, the investigation will not be allowed to proceed".

    There's a lot more to it than that - the article has been to WP:AfD twice (the second time nominated by the editor in question just after his falling out with the article subject); it's just been through a (failed) WP:DRN, and 'discussion' is still ongoing.

    The matter of IP accounts has even been raised several times by the editor in question to hint darkly that there's ongoing off-wiki collaboration organised by the article subject to influence the vote/content - despite the fact that all the IP comments have agreed with the editor in question, and all the IP !votes were for deletion. One result of that has been to make it impossible for anyone other than the editors who have been involved up to this point to work on the page - anyone, from a casual IP right up to a respected but previously-uninvolved editor, will be (& have been) accused of bias or collusion and have (and had) their edits reverted &/or their contribution to the ongoing discussion tainted by those accusations.

    Basically, the editor in question is playing a long game - not to improve wikipedia content, but to succeed in his little on and off-wiki vendetta against the subject (who has repeatedly stated he does not care about his Wikipedia page) by either getting it deleted or failing all the Wikipedia processes until everyone else gives up.

    The truly stupid thing is I actually agreed with his reasons for giving up on the article subject's forum - what he was saying was right, he stood up for it, and the article subject (who I agree is a bit of a cock) and sycophantic forum members harassed and trolled him until he left. But his behaviour since then - literally trying to destroy the article subject's website, credibility, and livelihood - is seriously unhinged. Though it's not obvious to the casual observer or Wikipedia hierarchy because he's compartmentalised it all, he's keeping calm about it, denies it & makes vague claims of harassment if it's ever mentioned, and is concentrating on playing the game of rules to the bitter end.

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