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A Puyallup, Washington man, Scott A. Orton, has been charged after making online death threats towards a biotechnology company involved with Planned Parenthood, such as "Kill StemExpress employees. I'll pay you for it" posted on a Fox Nation comment section:
A Washington man who allegedly threatened executives of a California biotech company that processed fetal tissue from Planned Parenthood faces prosecution in one of the rarest sorts of criminal cases – for violence threatened online.
The indictment stated that Scott A Orton, 57, had a record of online menacing of local journalists, city council members, fellow commenters and even FBI agents, dating back to at least 2009. The rare prosecution comes in the wake of a mass shooting in a Colorado Springs Planned Parenthood clinic. Orton was arrested by federal agents in December for making an interstate threat to kill an executive of StemExpress.
The California firm was thrust into the spotlight when anti-abortion activists attacked the company's fetal tissue procurement practices and released highly edited, secretly filmed videos from inside Planned Parenthood. Orton's alleged comments threatened to hang a StemExpress executive with piano wire, on the Fox News website.
Two legal, registered guns were seized from Orton's home just days before three people were killed and nine injured by a shooter at a Colorado Springs Planned Parenthood clinic.
PDFs of the Criminal Complaint and the Indictment.
(Score: 1, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Saturday December 19 2015, @07:15PM
Idiot bites the big one.
People, if you must murder someone, you don't threaten him first. Blowhards, braggarts, idiots, and insecure boys threaten people. Never threaten to punish your child, never threaten to "get even", never threaten anyone, anytime, anywhere. Just get off your ass, and take care of business.
“I have become friends with many school shooters” - Tampon Tim Walz
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 19 2015, @07:27PM
Because intimidation never works.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 19 2015, @07:45PM
After school, you're gonna get memed kiddo! [imgur.com]
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Saturday December 19 2015, @08:41PM
Death is pretty clean. Enslaving another person is always dirty. Do you respect yourself? Do you respect other people? Do you respect life?
I suppose that you'll argue that intimidating people can't be equated with slavery?
And, I suppose that you're not savvy enough to fear the man you've beaten down into subjection. The slave owners before the US civil war at least understood that they had reason to fear the slaves.
“I have become friends with many school shooters” - Tampon Tim Walz
(Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 19 2015, @08:43PM
What are you blabbering on about?
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Saturday December 19 2015, @08:49PM
Better to die than be enslaved. If you can't figure it out, then you are probably already enslaved, and happy with it.
“I have become friends with many school shooters” - Tampon Tim Walz
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Bobs on Saturday December 19 2015, @09:26PM
"Better to die than be enslaved.”
I appreciate the sentiment but “being enslaved” is often a reversible condition. 'Being dead' not so much.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Saturday December 19 2015, @09:31PM
Perhaps.
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
Thomas Jefferson
“I have become friends with many school shooters” - Tampon Tim Walz
(Score: 2) by ikanreed on Saturday December 19 2015, @09:44PM
The problem with this very specific notion is that looking at recent history, for the most part, violent revolutions have been associated with big step backs in individual freedoms. The American revolution seems to be more exception than rule.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 20 2015, @01:11AM
How you guys got from "the cloud" to Jefferson & Revolution is impressive.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 20 2015, @02:19AM
Not really.
Its just word association, any five year old can do that.
Reveals more about the speaker's state of mind than it does about the topic.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 20 2015, @03:06AM
Bingo. And it is the five-year-old mentality that has made the overuse of the Jefferson quote meaningless. "Since I can't get my way, I am being oppressed. 'Sometimes the tree of liberty . . .' ". It is an entitlement outlook, that ironically comes most out of the ones who like to hurl "entitlement" around like a slur.
(Score: 2) by jasassin on Sunday December 20 2015, @04:16AM
Ok. I love this. I really do. So I'm gonna make a comeback by cutting and pasting part of a recent reply to one of my posts by ikanreed (We'll Be Hated "Like Slave Traders" Says Coal Lobbyist https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=15/12/18/0323240 [soylentnews.org] ) in regards to slavery:
There are 3 things that define being a slave.
1. Having no choice about what you do, an being punished for non-compliance by violence or elaborate systems that lead to violence.
2. Getting no openly exchangeable currency as pay for your work.
3. Having less rights than are granted to your superiors.
Let's get to the bottom of this.
jasassin@gmail.com GPG Key ID: 0xE6462C68A9A3DB5A
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Sunday December 20 2015, @05:34AM
We are having choices taken away from us today. Witness the whole progressive agenda of disarming the population, punishing people for "hate speech", the huge population in prisons, drug laws, and so much more. FFS, they punish you for not wearing a SEAT BELT! In their imagined moral superiority, they have some responsibility to make my life miserable if I don't buckle the stupid belt!
He obviously doesn't understand that slaves have always had money. More trusted slaves in many cultures often had large sums of money. In most cultures, a slave could even buy his freedom, if he were industrious, frugal, and had an honest master.
We are witnessing today how rights are being stripped from the common man, and given to the ruling class. Copyright law is one of their favorite tools for that, being presented as treaties, like the TPP. Anyone who doubts that some of the animals are more equal than others only needs sit through a few days in court. Poor black kids from the hood are intimidated into accepting plea deals, so that they can be rushed from the local jail house to the prison. Poor white kids generally take a couple days longer, before being sent of to prison. Wealthy people might drag their negotiations and/or trials on for weeks and months, to ultimately have their charges dropped. They can afford to hire well-known lawyers.
We aren't at the level of slavery that the US was at centuries ago, but we are most certainly moving back in that direction.
People like GP who advocate intimidating people into submission and/or compliance are little more than slave masters, or wannabe slave masters. They want to dictate how people around them live their lives. If/when the shoe is on the other foot, then they recognize that intimidation for what it is - mob rule. Might makes right, and the mob has might.
“I have become friends with many school shooters” - Tampon Tim Walz
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 20 2015, @08:08AM
In their imagined moral superiority, they have some responsibility to make my life miserable if I don't buckle the stupid belt!
Listen, you ignoramus of a hillbilly! Damn right I am going to make your life miserable if you do not wear your seatbelt! Tire-iron upside the head (which will learn you about always wearing a helmet), pick-axe handle to the shin, and soft cushions until you cry for mercy!! Why should I even care what you in your sovereign autonomy decide to do with your life? Because, you self-centered uneducated Republican of shit-for-brains, what you do affects the rest of us. I, and probably the majority of members on this site, do not care much (a little, but not much) if you are ejected from vehicle as a result of an impact where you were not wearing proper restrains, but if you do not die immediately, do you think you can pay for all the care that has to go into saving your worthless un-seatbelted hide? Guess who is going to end up footing the bill for your "freedumb"? Yes, even under Obamacare, it is going to be the rest of us. And if, god forbid, you end up in a persistent vegetative state (wait, how do we know this has not already happened? Runaway! You paraplegic Troll! ), then we could end up paying an awful lot for your survival, with no return to society at all.
So to repeat, If I ever see you driving, or being a passenger, and not wearing your seatbelt and helmet, and signaling your lane changes, I will make your life miserable. It could be worse. And if it becomes so, we will make you pay.
(Score: 1, Offtopic) by Runaway1956 on Sunday December 20 2015, @08:51AM
Arrogant cocksucker, aren't you? Don't be surprised when you come at me with that tire iron, that I allow my buddy Sam Colt to speak on my behalf. Have you never read any of those stories about road rage? How about carjacking stories? You just hop out of your car, and start walking toward me.
Funny thing about being an old bastard. "Well, Your Honor, thirty years ago, I wouldn't have shot the dumb bastard. But, I'm getting old. I can't defend myself like I used to. I felt threatened, I felt like my life was in danger because he was carrying that tire iron. So, I shot him. Sorry his Momma has to bury him now, but that damned .45 puts one hell of a hole in a man."
“I have become friends with many school shooters” - Tampon Tim Walz
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 20 2015, @09:21AM
Hard to unholster the ol' Hawg when you are hanging half way out the windershield 'cause you are too ignorant to wear a seat belt. And if you do survive, now we are going to have to support you for the rest of your life anyway in a federal pen? C'mon, Runaway. There ain't no cure for stupid, but wear the seatbelt, preferably the three-point system, full racing harness if you need it. Otherwise we will probably have to pull the plug on you, when you are on a respirator because you shot yourself by accident in an attempted roadrage incident, and then ran full head on (with extra bleeding stupid) into a bridge abutment. Don't let this happen to you. There may be some reason for your existence, beyond serving as a lesson to others.
(And no, I am not arrogant, I just enjoy poking a stick at stupid, to see how stupid it can be before it up and 'splodes. You're coming close, bro! Thanks for the laughs.)
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Sunday December 20 2015, @10:02AM
You're so very worried about supporting me after an accident - yet the government locks people into penitentiaries for meaningless bullshit. The same government supports multiple generations of families on welfare. The government is actively inviting "immigrants" from all nations south of the Rio Grande, and offering them free housing, free medical care, and welfare to boot. That same government is telling us that it intends to bring in hundreds of thousands of "refugees" from war torn countries in the mideast - with no effective methods of screening out the terrorists.
You're worried about possibly supporting a man who has been a taxpayer, a voter, a working, contributing member of society for over 40 years? You'll shit on a veteran of the Armed Forces this way?
Hope you've enjoyed your laugh, but I'll maintain that I can do any damned thing I want to do, up to, and including suicide, if and when I choose. Anything less is oppression. "Live free or die" - I'm sure you've heard that before.
“I have become friends with many school shooters” - Tampon Tim Walz
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 20 2015, @07:33PM
Please don't kill yourself, Runaway! Please! Wear the damned seat-belt!
(I had a friend in the VA check, and there is no record of a "Runaway1956" having ever served in the Armed forces, in any branch or during any mobilization. Is this Stolen Valor, or were you in the Soviet military?)
(Score: 2) by jasassin on Sunday December 20 2015, @08:18AM
Being stripped away... Damn man! That whole part... Now I gotta go watch "They Live" right now!
jasassin@gmail.com GPG Key ID: 0xE6462C68A9A3DB5A
(Score: 3, Funny) by edIII on Saturday December 19 2015, @08:47PM
Does this include the raised eyebrows and prominent thumping veins in your father's extremely red forehead? Or just the finger going across the neck? Either way, both were surprisingly effective. For at least 5 minutes.
Technically, lunchtime is at any moment. It's just a wave function.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 19 2015, @09:57PM
"Insightful"? I thought that post was a little scary.
(Score: 2) by Gravis on Saturday December 19 2015, @07:42PM
millions to go. :/
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 19 2015, @07:49PM
We will stop at nothing to protect Gravis' precious fee-fees.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 19 2015, @08:28PM
But, but, there are videos! Videos of HP lappies being cut apart for parts! Won't some strong man do something?
But no, Carly Fiorina feels no responsibility for inciting the crazy.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Ethanol-fueled on Saturday December 19 2015, @09:30PM
This is one annoying thing about religious people, they don't seem to get that the fetus is already dead (and it's "soul" is in heaven or whatever) and so why should even religious fundamentalists give a damn about an already-dead fetus being cut up?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 19 2015, @10:08PM
This is one annoying thing about people with narcissistic personality disorder, they don't seem to get what this "empathy" thing is all about.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Gravis on Saturday December 19 2015, @08:34PM
The crowd that Fox News caters too is likely full of people like this because Fox News advocates extremism. To clarify, I mean they preach a single point of view and everything that conflicts with that point of view is either condemned or in the case of facts and evidence, omitted. In this case, their point of view is that Planned Parenthood must be stopped at all costs. This single-mindedness is appealing to extremists because it makes the world very black and white without exception. When you lack control, this kind of order appeals because of it's absolutism requires no concessions be made on your part. It's time to stop preaching extremism and being "shocked" that you have created extremists.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Runaway1956 on Saturday December 19 2015, @08:48PM
Very good - you've figured out that Fox is rather extreme.
Now, what about the rest of the MSM? Every mainstream US media is zealously preaching how evil each and every one of the GOP candidates are. And, I use the word "zealously" intentionally, and seriously. Despite the fact that the democratic/MSM choice for president is simply not pulling the numbers, despite the fact that she can't even connect with younger women, they keep pushing her as the only possible choice. Oh - notice what they've done to the funny looking old goat? DNC and the data service people screwed up, allowing "outsiders" to see Clinton's crap, and they immediately accuse him of espionage, turning off his access to his own data.
Extreme. Yeah, there is a lot of extremism on our political landscape.
“I have become friends with many school shooters” - Tampon Tim Walz
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Saturday December 19 2015, @08:55PM
But, Runaway,
Every mainstream US media is zealously preaching how evil each and every one of the GOP candidates are.
That is because they are! No preaching necessary, just journalism. As someone said just the other day, when Lindsey Graham is the one talking sense, you know the rest are so far beyond reason and morality as to not even really be funny anymore.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 19 2015, @09:03PM
"I literally have not a single thought that the media didn't put there. t. Aristarchus"
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Saturday December 19 2015, @09:11PM
You used "literally" incorrectly. Again.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 19 2015, @09:33PM
No, I used it correctly. Not a single original thought. Not one. That smug "you-used-literally-wrong" has been done to death as well. You are a puppet of the media, and it has manipulated you into thinking you aren't.
(Score: 3, Funny) by aristarchus on Saturday December 19 2015, @09:50PM
Doubling down, eh? Well, I guess you have to, not a lot of other options at this point. First let me say that I said nothing about thoughts. I was talking about facts. You know, those things that do not go away or change no matter what you think of them. And secondly, of course I have no original thoughts! I have been around for almost two and a half millenia, so I quite literally have seen it all before. Of course, that means that what currently passes for " media" in this rather recent nation called "America" is hardly the source of any of my non-original thoughts.
You know, as well, and more to the point, just because you have forced a pedantic response that has been repeatedly necessary does not mean that you did not literally misuse "literally". So it's your bad, still.
Puppet? Hm, could be. I could be a bot, set loose upon the internets just to say bad true things about republicans at the behest of the Illuminati. But I am not, i assure you. And thank you very much for being concerned, but I can also assure you that I have not been manipulated in any way. I hope the same is true of you, literally, my dear AC! Happy Holidays! (Ouch! That has got to burn!)
(Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 19 2015, @10:14PM
I have been around for almost two and a half millenia
Ah, so you're mentally ill?
By the by, you misspelled "millennia". Thought you'd like to know, since you seem to pride yourself on the correct use of words.
you have forced a pedantic response that has been repeatedly necessary does not mean that you did not literally misuse "literally"
"I was just pretending to be retarded! t. Aristarchus"
Don't worry, buddy. This year I'll get you a dictionary for Christmas.
Happy Holidays!
Thanks, I'm Jewish, so I appreciate you being considerate of my religion.
(Score: 2) by jasassin on Sunday December 20 2015, @07:23AM
Bots don't start sentences with the word "and".
jasassin@gmail.com GPG Key ID: 0xE6462C68A9A3DB5A
(Score: 3, Touché) by aristarchus on Sunday December 20 2015, @07:41AM
Upgrades, Biatch! (I imagine you think that bots never say "biatch!", either? Interesting.)
(Score: 2) by Gravis on Saturday December 19 2015, @09:14PM
Every mainstream US media is zealously preaching how evil each and every one of the GOP candidates are.
how have they demonized GOP candidates? exposing what candidates say during a debate is simply journalism.
as for favoring one candidate over another, that's called bias, i'm talking about extremism.
(Score: 1, Redundant) by Runaway1956 on Saturday December 19 2015, @09:35PM
Bias vs extremism? You brand Fox as extremist, but all the rest of MSM is merely biased? Uhhhh - yeah. That "biased" MSM bears equal responsibility with the Democratic party, Republican party, and Fox for polarizing politics.
Far more than half of Americans believe that their party is "good", and the opposing party is "evil".
“I have become friends with many school shooters” - Tampon Tim Walz
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 20 2015, @02:23AM
Of course that looks unfair to you. Your extremism has a lot of overlap with fox's extremism so it doesn't look like its unyielding to you, it looks just right.
(Score: 1, Redundant) by Runaway1956 on Sunday December 20 2015, @03:10AM
Back up and read. I've stated that both Fox and the rest of the MSM are extreme. It's the other side that is arguing that the progressive media are NOT extreme. So, what you're accusing me of, applies as much and more so to those who can't recognize that our media is mostly biased toward socialism today.
“I have become friends with many school shooters” - Tampon Tim Walz
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 20 2015, @04:24AM
> I've stated that both Fox and the rest of the MSM are extreme.
Fallacy of false balance.
You've got a couple of nits to pick with fox, but anyone who uses the term "MSM" and excludes the most popular news channel from that list is clearly so far in Fox's corner that their perspective is too distorted to see clearly.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Sunday December 20 2015, @05:15AM
You're projecting there. You are perfectly happy with the left-leaning MSM, so any disagreement with that MSM has to be extremism.
“I have become friends with many school shooters” - Tampon Tim Walz
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 19 2015, @09:00PM
toplel, Fox is controlled opposition.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by edIII on Saturday December 19 2015, @09:06PM
Why does that matter? Fox News is an entertainment channel. It needs to be about as informative and accurate as Ghost Hunters, or the search for Big Foot on the aptly named "History" Channel.
I seem to recall that Fox News isn't obligated to the truth like real journalists precisely because they self-identify as entertainment no different than The Daily Show (which is probably less biased). In any case, anybody with a few brain cells can see that Fox News acts no different than a tabloid does in retaining its particularly demographic. With very much the same kind of activities and articles, all pandering to prurient and provincial interests when not actively fear mongering.
Personally, my idea of a Fox News viewer is that crazy Scottish dad from I Married An Axe Murderer. "They put chemicals in the water making you crave the baby parts, fortnightly... you SMARTASS!!! HEAD!! DOWN!! I'm trying to see Bill O'Reilley. Smart man, he is...."
Technically, lunchtime is at any moment. It's just a wave function.
(Score: 2) by Gravis on Saturday December 19 2015, @09:19PM
Fox News is an entertainment channel.
when and where have they ever advertised themselves as anything but a news channel?
(Score: 3, Informative) by edIII on Saturday December 19 2015, @09:27PM
I seem to recall that they made the legal argument one time when somebody was trying to hold them accountable to facts. They're not accountable, because the entire channel is intended to be entertainment.
Technically, lunchtime is at any moment. It's just a wave function.
(Score: 2) by Gravis on Saturday December 19 2015, @09:34PM
yeah, that's what we call "on paper only" because the rest of the time they claim to be a news channel.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by digitalaudiorock on Saturday December 19 2015, @11:08PM
Absolutely. What's more, and notion that anything in any (supposedly) left-leaning mainstream media is even in the same universe as Fox News is laughable. Fox is pure propaganda to a degree I just don't see anywhere else.
The closest thing I can even think of think of was the failed Air America Radio. To be honest, I think that failed because people on the left (certainly the ones I know) have no interest in that BS preaching to the choir crap, purely intended to convince you of things you already believe in. I sure don't have any interest in that.
I'd have to say my favorite news source is NPR...I'm sure someone will chime in on how they're far to the left or some such BS. This country has shifted so far right it doesn't even remember what the fucking left is.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 19 2015, @11:28PM
To be honest, I think that failed because people on the left (certainly the ones I know) have no interest in that BS preaching to the choir crap, purely intended to convince you of things you already believe in.
So what you're saying is sites like Buzzfeed are just a figment of my imagination? Sounds great.
I'd have to say my favorite news source is NPR...I'm sure someone will chime in on how they're far to the left or some such BS. This country has shifted so far right it doesn't even remember what the fucking left is.
I think you've forgotten to give some evidence for that statement. Whoops!
(Score: 2) by digitalaudiorock on Sunday December 20 2015, @03:16PM
Evidence that the countries moved to the right? If you need that you're blind. Where are all the candidates like Walter Modale?...that's right there aren't any...just like a modern day Ronald Regan wouldn't stand a chance and would probably be branded a RINO in the current batshit crazy environment.
Any what's the the growing number of AC posts here?
(Score: 1, Flamebait) by marcello_dl on Saturday December 19 2015, @10:49PM
>abortion is homicide is sin
>kills
Extremism of what? of homeopathy?
Or are you going to mention that religion whose leader never forced anybody, never mind threaten?
Are you reasoning or echoing?
(Score: 2) by wisnoskij on Saturday December 19 2015, @08:36PM
I really hope he did more than joke about killing people. "Kill StemExpress employees. I'll pay you for it", is not a threat. Not only is it not written in a serious matter (1), it is not even directed at the target and the target is unspecific. Telling your friend, you would like to kill some other person is not the same thing as walking up to this person and telling them you are going to kill them. The latter is a real serious threat, and impacts the threatened person, the former is at least not designed to impact anyone.
(1) We can know this for certain because he is not being charged with conspiracy to murder.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 19 2015, @08:47PM
"Kill [StemExpress employees] wisnoskij. I'll pay you for it"
Turnabout is fair play.
(Score: 3, Informative) by Gravis on Saturday December 19 2015, @08:50PM
I really hope he did more than joke about killing people.
didn't read the "had a record of online menacing of local journalists, city council members, fellow commenters and even FBI agents, dating back to at least 2009" part did you?
well, check out the article, this guy is a real piece of work.
He commented and emailed violent threats to journalists and the circulation editor of the Tacoma News Tribune for years, according to a staff member from the paper who asked not to be identified for fear of future harassment.
(Score: 2) by NotSanguine on Saturday December 19 2015, @08:58PM
Whose mom should have taught him that "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all."
Just sayin'
No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
(Score: 3, Insightful) by PinkyGigglebrain on Saturday December 19 2015, @09:24PM
"Two legal, registered guns were seized from Orton's home just days ..."
If the guns are legal why mention them when they have nothing to do with the mans actions unless your pushing an agenda? I take it the Guardian is strongly anti-Constitution.
And why include THAT specific line in the summary unless the submitter was pushing an agenda too?
Maybe this is going to get modded a troll, maybe flamebait, I don't care because if it gets people commenting then I'm happy with it :)
Freedom can not exist in a vacuum of free expression
"Beware those who would deny you Knowledge, For in their hearts they dream themselves your Master."
(Score: 2) by takyon on Saturday December 19 2015, @11:03PM
I am glad I included that line from the article.
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(Score: 2) by PinkyGigglebrain on Sunday December 20 2015, @12:59AM
So am i :)
"Beware those who would deny you Knowledge, For in their hearts they dream themselves your Master."
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 21 2015, @07:52AM
Land of the obedient, home of the brainwashed.