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posted by cmn32480 on Monday January 04 2016, @04:21PM   Printer-friendly
from the seeds-of-revolution dept.

NPR is reporting on this tale of direct action:

A self-styled militia in eastern Oregon grabbed national headlines Saturday when they broke into the headquarters of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge. There the armed group remains Sunday, occupying the federal building in protest of what it sees as government overreach on rangelands throughout the western United States.

"We stand in defense," Ammon Bundy, the group's apparent leader and spokesperson, told Oregon Public Broadcasting. "And when the time is right we will begin to defend the people of Harney County, [Ore.,] in using the land and the resources."

Ammon's brother, Ryan, has reportedly used harsher rhetoric, saying members of the militia are willing to kill or be killed.

Their last name may ring a bell. Ammon and Ryan Bundy are sons of rancher Cliven Bundy, who notably took part in an armed standoff with the federal Bureau of Land Management, or BLM, in Nevada in 2014.

Ammon Bundy now is part of a group of 15 to 150 people — depending on which source you believe — who are protesting the arson convictions of two Oregon ranchers, Dwight Hammond Jr. and his son, Steven.

Also at Oregon Live, NYT, and the Associated Press.


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  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by tathra on Monday January 04 2016, @06:35PM

    by tathra (3367) on Monday January 04 2016, @06:35PM (#284640)

    since when is calling terrorists terrorists worshiping the state? they're using violence and threats of violence to facilitate political aims, no matter how you look at it, that's terrorism. these guys are terrorists, plain and simple.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 04 2016, @08:38PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 04 2016, @08:38PM (#284709)

    We are moving into a scared new world where the people are so scared of violence that they give up their freedoms. Terrorist is the new bogeyman and is being slowly but surely painted to cover anything that resembles dissent. How easy it will be, have the talking heads call anyone the T word and bam they are guilty in the eyes of the population. Throw em in prison! Let god sort em out! Seems like these guys should go to prison, but we are using buzzwords instead of proper vocabulary like criminal, justice, trial, violators, felony. None of that grabs people like 'terrist.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 04 2016, @09:35PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 04 2016, @09:35PM (#284753)

      "are moving"? Been that way since I've been alive, and I wasn't born yesterday.

    • (Score: 2) by tathra on Tuesday January 05 2016, @05:20AM

      by tathra (3367) on Tuesday January 05 2016, @05:20AM (#284991)

      Seems like these guys should go to prison, but we are using buzzwords instead of proper vocabulary like criminal, justice, trial, violators, felony. None of that grabs people like 'terrist.

      but terrorist is the proper word to use here. see the definition [reference.com] of the word "terrorism":

      the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.

      which is exactly what these people doing, using violence and threats of violence to intimidate and coerce, especially for political purposes. the only apt word to succinctly and perfectly describe what these people are is "terrorist".

      • (Score: 2) by dmc on Tuesday January 05 2016, @06:29AM

        by dmc (188) on Tuesday January 05 2016, @06:29AM (#285008)

        the real answer of course is "star trek deep space nine". One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter as they say. The government propagandizes to get people to forget that when it wants, and propagandizes the other way when the tactical winds change.

  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by TheGratefulNet on Monday January 04 2016, @08:50PM

    by TheGratefulNet (659) on Monday January 04 2016, @08:50PM (#284717)

    and the government that continually tries to SCARE US INTO DOING WHAT THEY WANT - how is that NOT terrorism?

    many people don't see the government as faultless and the label 'terrorist' equally applies to those in positions of official power just as much as those who grab it or try to grab it.

    if you are trying to get your way to scaring people, that meets the def. would you really say that our (US) gov is not using fear in a constant manner to further ITS goals?

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