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posted by cmn32480 on Monday January 04 2016, @04:21PM   Printer-friendly
from the seeds-of-revolution dept.

NPR is reporting on this tale of direct action:

A self-styled militia in eastern Oregon grabbed national headlines Saturday when they broke into the headquarters of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge. There the armed group remains Sunday, occupying the federal building in protest of what it sees as government overreach on rangelands throughout the western United States.

"We stand in defense," Ammon Bundy, the group's apparent leader and spokesperson, told Oregon Public Broadcasting. "And when the time is right we will begin to defend the people of Harney County, [Ore.,] in using the land and the resources."

Ammon's brother, Ryan, has reportedly used harsher rhetoric, saying members of the militia are willing to kill or be killed.

Their last name may ring a bell. Ammon and Ryan Bundy are sons of rancher Cliven Bundy, who notably took part in an armed standoff with the federal Bureau of Land Management, or BLM, in Nevada in 2014.

Ammon Bundy now is part of a group of 15 to 150 people — depending on which source you believe — who are protesting the arson convictions of two Oregon ranchers, Dwight Hammond Jr. and his son, Steven.

Also at Oregon Live, NYT, and the Associated Press.


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  • (Score: 1, Flamebait) by Runaway1956 on Monday January 04 2016, @07:08PM

    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Monday January 04 2016, @07:08PM (#284654) Journal

    Uhhhhh - stupid? Who has the guns to enforce those damned "laws"? The federal government gives it's tacit approval to those laws, and in fact, helps to enforce them.

    foxnews link to farmer sued for a stock watering pond: https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/govbeat/wp/2015/03/24/it-is-actually-illegal-in-colorado-to-collect-the-rain-that-falls-on-your-home/ [washingtonpost.com]

    The Supreme Court not only upheld those water rights laws, but extended them as recently as 1982. http://www.justice.gov/enrd/federal-reserved-water-rights-and-state-law-claims [justice.gov]

    Be careful who you're calling a stupid son of a bitch - apparently, you're not as bright as you think you are. The Supreme Court of the United States has upheld these laws at every challenge, or they would have been stricken by now.

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  • (Score: 2) by ilPapa on Monday January 04 2016, @09:06PM

    by ilPapa (2366) on Monday January 04 2016, @09:06PM (#284731) Journal

    Uhhhhh - stupid? Who has the guns to enforce those damned "laws"? The federal government gives it's tacit approval to those laws, and in fact, helps to enforce them.

    The Colorado State Police and National Guard. The Federal Government has no authority to enforce Colorado state laws. You really are a numbskull. You should delete your account right now in shame.

    The Supreme Court not only upheld those water rights laws, but extended them as recently as 1982. How" rel="url2html-16894">http://www.justice.gov/enrd/federal-reserved-water-rights-and-state-law-claims

    How dare you. Did you read that link? The water rights extended in 1982 were for federal lands, not over the rainbarrel in your back yard.

    Be careful who you're calling a stupid son of a bitch

    I'm extremely careful about that. I reserve "stupid sonofabitch" for not only those among the most clueless who are most intractably certain that they're right. And for today, that's you.

    --
    You are still welcome on my lawn.
    • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Monday January 04 2016, @09:40PM

      by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Monday January 04 2016, @09:40PM (#284761) Journal

      Yes, I'm ashamed for you. But, whatever, keep on spouting the party line. Which party are you with, anyway?

      The whole water rights thing is flawed, beyond redemption. But, the Supremes uphold it, all the same. WTF are they farming in the desert again? Because - water rights. First come, first serve. The farmers got dibs on the water a century ago, and no one has successfully challenged that crap yet. The FEDERAL government has upheld the "legitimacy" of those laws.

    • (Score: 2) by aristarchus on Monday January 04 2016, @10:25PM

      by aristarchus (2645) on Monday January 04 2016, @10:25PM (#284788) Journal

      It is really not helpful to call Runaway "stupid", he takes it as a badge of honor. He has his own facts, and if you call him on those, you are probably a Social Justice person instead of a Moron(i) Mormon Militant. And I agree that we should leave his mother out of this. And as for leaving, hmm, the truth is not going to do it, maybe if we tried bribes?