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Tensions Rise in Germany Over Handling of Mass Sexual Assaults in Cologne
The Guardian reports:
A ferocious debate has erupted in Germany over the handling of mass sexual assaults and muggings carried out by groups of young males during New Year's Eve celebrations in Cologne, amid accusations of a police and media cover-up over fears of whipping up anti-foreigner sentiment in the wake of the migrant crisis.
About 100 complaints have now been made to police, two-thirds of which are linked to sexual assault, including two rapes. According to police and witnesses, the perpetrators were of north African and Arab appearance, although neither the identity nor origin of any of them has so far been established.
If you're not already feeling queasy enough be sure to read the link "Asian sex-grooming gangs in the UK" in the article. Apparently you can find similar stories from all over the UK, these sexual crimes against underage girls perpetrated by muslims are sickeningly common.
Conspiracy of Silence - or Sensationalist Reporting?
There are a number of marginal news sites posting stories out of Europe these days, mostly from Germany, Sweden, as well as other claims made regarding Finland and the UK. The claims all center around a huge increase in rapes by immigrants, outright take over of public train stations, and mass groping of women passing through the stations.
According to these reports, the incidents started in midsummer and continue to this day, but the local news organizations have refused to publish reports of these incidents even after arrests have been made. Often police are accused of withholding the news of any complaints or arrests for months.
The clear implication, more often implied than stated is that the national leaders who went public in their pledges to accept refugees from the middle east war zones as well as northern Africa are leaning on main stream news outlets to suppress news reports of these rapes and sexual assaults. This suppression, if it exists, also appears to extend to the US press.
The assaults aren't limited to European women, but also include women in the immigrant shelters, some as young as 16. The immigrant shelters population in Munich is 80% male. But not all the alleged perpetrators are migrants from the recent wave of mass migrations over the summer and fall. Some are earlier immigrants from North Africa who don't necessarily live in the camps.
Finally some reports are leaking into the western press in the US, such as this brief report in the New York Times about events on New Years Eve. That same event was reported by a couple of the British tabloids.
Many reports are in German, Here and Here. (Google Translate does well with these pages). Others are in English such as this one and this one.
Are any Soylentils living in the EU near refugee centers seeing these problems? Is it being reported? Is it being repressed? Or is the whole thing a made up issue by biased articles in fringe news sites?
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Tork on Friday January 08 2016, @05:56PM
Are any Soylentils living in the EU near refugee centers seeing these problems? Is it being reported? Is it being repressed? Or is the whole thing a made up issue by biased articles in fringe news sites?
Or is it the sort of thing where proportionally the incidents are very few in number, but people looking to create a clear and easy to identify enemy would use those reports to justify not helping people that truly need it. Or, in simpler terms: Are reports being withheld because we're all too stupid to look at them rationally.
Slashdolt Logic: "25 year old jokes about sharks and lasers are +5, Funny." 💩
(Score: 2) by isostatic on Friday January 08 2016, @06:02PM
BREAKING NEWS
99.99% of refugees do not commit sexual assaults
BREAKING NEWS
99.999% of refugees do not commit terror attacks
(Score: 4, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 08 2016, @06:15PM
BREAKING NEWS
Every rape committed by an immigrant is one that could have been prevented by closed borders
BREAKING NEWS
All [wikipedia.org]
major British sex scandals [wikipedia.org]
in recent history [wikipedia.org]
have involved [wikipedia.org]
men from Pakistani, Eritrean, [wikipedia.org]
Somali, Kurdish [wikipedia.org]
or Romani heritage [wikipedia.org]
most of them Muslim [wikipedia.org]
BREAKING NEWS
Fathers who tried to rescue their daughters from being raped were arrested [rotherham.gov.uk]
(Score: 2) by Tork on Friday January 08 2016, @07:03PM
Slashdolt Logic: "25 year old jokes about sharks and lasers are +5, Funny." 💩
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 08 2016, @07:12PM
Nice ad-hominem and non-sequitur bro, but I'd rather have an actual argument instead.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Tork on Friday January 08 2016, @07:27PM
The Rochdale sex gang scandal convicted 8 men of Pakistani descent. There were nearly a million Pakistanis in England when that happened. Eight out of a million people commit a crime, and you want to throw them all out. Do you have a better fitting word than 'xenophobia' for that, bro?
Slashdolt Logic: "25 year old jokes about sharks and lasers are +5, Funny." 💩
(Score: 2, Disagree) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 08 2016, @07:30PM
"I want to be able to ad-hominem you more accurately, register an account because I care more about who you are than what you have to say." -- Tork, 2016
Also I can't seem to remember ever saying I wanted to 'throw them all out', do you have a citation for that? It can be any Anonymous Coward that is a parent to your comment. Protip: 'not letting them in' is not the same as 'throwing them out'.
(Score: 2) by Tork on Friday January 08 2016, @07:41PM
"I want to be able to ad-hominem you more accurately, register an account because I care more about who you are than what you have to say." -- Tork, 2016
He swings... and it's another miss!
Protip: 'not letting them in' is not the same as 'throwing them out'.
You said the borders should have been closed to prevent the crimes from taking place. Big oops on your part, there.
Slashdolt Logic: "25 year old jokes about sharks and lasers are +5, Funny." 💩
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 08 2016, @08:37PM
is NOT the same as:
I would expect you to realize the difference between refusing admittance and ejecting.
-- Signed
different AC
(Score: 2) by Tork on Friday January 08 2016, @08:50PM
Slashdolt Logic: "25 year old jokes about sharks and lasers are +5, Funny." 💩
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2016, @04:12AM
"Not all Germans voted for Hitler. Why are we going to war with them!!?"
--Grandpa Tork, 1938
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 11 2016, @08:38PM
Different AC here.
Pot, meet Kettle.
You are busy distracting from the original message, you know the one with all of the links to evidence that you refuse to peruse.
(Score: 2) by Tork on Friday January 08 2016, @08:00PM
Every rape committed by an immigrant is one that could have been prevented by closed borders. Also I eat boogers.
Also you seem to have lost your will to actually have a debate here. Feel free to join back in some time.
Slashdolt Logic: "25 year old jokes about sharks and lasers are +5, Funny." 💩
(Score: 2) by Tork on Friday January 08 2016, @08:06PM
Slashdolt Logic: "25 year old jokes about sharks and lasers are +5, Funny." 💩
(Score: 2) by isostatic on Friday January 08 2016, @09:53PM
I believe he's saying
"Had the borders been closed in 2013, and that closure was successful, any crimes caused by a refugee that has immigrated since 2013 would not have occurred"
And he's right. It's a meaningless statement, but there you go.
(Score: 2) by Tork on Friday January 08 2016, @10:12PM
Slashdolt Logic: "25 year old jokes about sharks and lasers are +5, Funny." 💩
(Score: 2) by isostatic on Saturday January 09 2016, @12:31AM
Look at his statement. It's a truism
Every rape committed by an immigrant is one that could have been prevented by closed borders.
Well yes, if you never had any immigrants they would never commit crime. If Germany hadn't allowed a single person to cross it's borders since 1945, only Germans would be committing crimes in Germany.
The following statement is equally valid. And equally useful.
Every rape committed by someone called Dave is one that could have been prevented by banning people called Dave.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 08 2016, @09:50PM
Some opinions are safer said without a big target sign stuck on your ass.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2016, @01:03AM
Well, you did it for guns, so why not people too?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2016, @01:45AM
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2016, @03:40AM
Of course they have uses outside of killing human beings. That is why so few as a percentage are used as tools of murder.
The analogy is apt.
(Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 08 2016, @08:14PM
> Nice ad-hominem and non-sequitur bro,
Those two words, you keep using them, I don't think they mean what you think they mean.
(Score: 2) by Post-Nihilist on Friday January 08 2016, @09:17PM
You have a bad analogy because nicotine really reduces the risk of developing Alzheimer's, even when you account for the shorter longevity caused by its usual route of administration. There are drugs in the pipeline that target the nicotinic acetylcholine alpha 7 receptor to prevent Alzheimer or alleviate its symptoms, look at a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GTS-21">GTS-21/a> for an example.
On xenophobia. I accept migrants as long as they either stay in clearly delimited ghettos or that they adapt themselves to the dominant local culture of my place and start to drink alcohol and eat pork. I do not trust people who don't drink unless they do so because they were alcoholics.
Be like us, be different, be a nihilist!!!
(Score: 0, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 08 2016, @10:09PM
Ah the perks of ignorance. Imagine the alternative for a second and you might see: If Turkey, a NATO member and part of the EU (incredibly), did not fund ISIS, there would not be a refugee crisis in Europe and the relatively tiny number of arabs/muslims in Europe that were already there would continue to blend and become part of the social fabric without conflict. As it is, because of liberals in Europe, Turkey is in the EU and ISIS is flushing the middle east of civilians who are turning up by the millions in Europe. Indeed, xenophobia is adaptive in this situation. As things progress we can expect civil war in parts of Europe soon. Thanks to our liberalist, internationalist traitor leaders.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 11 2016, @02:21AM
No, Turkey is not part of the EU. I believe they want to be (or at least did want to be) a member, but they haven't been made a member of the EU.
(Score: 2) by isostatic on Friday January 08 2016, @09:03PM
BREAKING NEWS
Every person killed by a bullet is one that could have been prevented if guns were banned
BREAKING NEWS
All [wikipedia.org]
these [wikipedia.org]
major [wikipedia.org]
british [wikipedia.org]
terror [wikipedia.org]
attacks [wikipedia.org]
were [wikipedia.org]
caused [wikipedia.org]
by [wikipedia.org]
Irish [wikipedia.org]
people [wikipedia.org]
However I don't recall anyone saying "stop the Irish from crossing the sea" because we understood it was a minority of Ireland that wanted to kill people (and a minority of the US that funded them)
(Score: 2) by takyon on Friday January 08 2016, @06:20PM
Hang on.
http://www.rrsonline.org/?page_id=944 [rrsonline.org]
That's just rapes in the U.S. I get that you want to defend migrants but let's not use impossible numbers.
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(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 08 2016, @06:24PM
I get that you want to defend migrants
I find it very telling that after such events there are many people who prioritize defending the migrants over protecting women. How many raped women is your immigration policy worth?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 08 2016, @06:29PM
72
(Score: 2) by takyon on Friday January 08 2016, @06:42PM
I find it very telling that you would latch on to that statement like a shark. I didn't even say that I support or oppose migrants, and no, my statement doesn't imply one or the other.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 08 2016, @06:46PM
I was referring to Tork, m80.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 08 2016, @06:49PM
Whoops, meant Isostatic, who you were replying to. I scrolled too far.
(Score: 2) by takyon on Friday January 08 2016, @06:56PM
You've got to love made-up statistics. Very easy to abuse though.
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(Score: 2) by isostatic on Friday January 08 2016, @07:38PM
* Given that the vast majority of rape is by someone the victim knows
* And that migrants in the west (who are lets face it looking for work) are predominantly men
I'd imagine that the percentage of rapes by migrants is actually lower that the percentage of rapes by settled people.
However the point is a headline stating
"100 refugees commit sexual assaults"
Is the same as
"999900 refugees do not commit sexual assaults"
The first sells papers, and causes outrage, and the problem is the outrage is directed at the 999,900 innocent people as well as the 100 that should have their balls chopped off.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 08 2016, @06:38PM
Very few in number, perhaps, but very large in scale. And do not think that there's not suppression going on. The Rotherham child abuse scandal [wikipedia.org] (over 1400 children) was surpressed for over 14 years.
(Score: 2) by Tork on Friday January 08 2016, @06:59PM
Slashdolt Logic: "25 year old jokes about sharks and lasers are +5, Funny." 💩
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 08 2016, @07:01PM
A larger percentage than the native British population was.
(Score: 2) by Tork on Friday January 08 2016, @07:17PM
Slashdolt Logic: "25 year old jokes about sharks and lasers are +5, Funny." 💩
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 08 2016, @07:25PM
Not relevant, because I said so.
Great argument, you're a real master debater.
(Score: 2) by Tork on Friday January 08 2016, @07:29PM
Great argument, you're a real master debater.
Still waiting on that number that's stalling the debate. If I'm so wrong you've got nothing to fear by sharing it.
Slashdolt Logic: "25 year old jokes about sharks and lasers are +5, Funny." 💩
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 08 2016, @07:33PM
That number? Oh, it's not relevant. You know why? Because I say so, that's why.
"Why aren't you conforming to my arbitrary argumentative framework that I set up just so you would fail?! Dammit!" -- Tork, 2016
(Score: 2) by Tork on Friday January 08 2016, @07:52PM
Slashdolt Logic: "25 year old jokes about sharks and lasers are +5, Funny." 💩
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Saturday January 09 2016, @01:40AM
Problems with the official statistics. The UK has been covering up immigrant crimes for the past 20 years and more, just as the cops and the media initially tried to hide the violence toward women on Cologne.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 2) by Tork on Saturday January 09 2016, @02:11AM
Slashdolt Logic: "25 year old jokes about sharks and lasers are +5, Funny." 💩
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Saturday January 09 2016, @02:50AM
Neither. They hide it because it would embarrass the people in power to acknowledge that they were wrong. Just as the UK hides the true statistics on violent crime in general, they can't publicize immigrant crime, because it would demonstrate that their policies were failures.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 08 2016, @07:28PM
"I do not know what proportionality is. Math is hard, let's go shopping." -- Tork, 2016
(Score: 2) by Tork on Friday January 08 2016, @07:33PM
Slashdolt Logic: "25 year old jokes about sharks and lasers are +5, Funny." 💩
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 08 2016, @07:38PM
I didn't know you were retarded, but I would like to thank you for informing me so I can disregard you in the future.
(Score: 2) by isostatic on Friday January 08 2016, @08:28PM
How much of the Pakistani population in England were involved in this case?
Not many. The problem is that while the average pakistani in Rotheram is innocent, however the average member of these sex gang is a Pakistani Muslim. It did not help that the papers, rather than calling a spade a spade, called it a "gardening tool". By describing the perpetrators as "Asian" rather than "Pakistani" it gives fuel to the fire that there's a vast coverup, and the problem that it swung away from the racism with the Stephen Lawrence case and went the opposite way.
However it's not isolated to Rotherham, just look at the wikipedia page
Rochdale sex trafficking gang
Derby sex gang
Oxford sex gang
Bristol sex gang
Telford sex gang
Peterborough sex abuse case
Banbury sex gang
Aylesbury sex gang
It's a massive problem with a certain culture.
(Score: 2) by Tork on Friday January 08 2016, @08:36PM
Slashdolt Logic: "25 year old jokes about sharks and lasers are +5, Funny." 💩
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 08 2016, @10:16PM
Those are just the ones who got caught
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 08 2016, @10:21PM
(Score: 2) by Dr Spin on Friday January 08 2016, @10:23PM
The failure to report it because of "political correctness" is, however, a massive problem.
As is the bunch of scumbags that claim that celebrating Christmas would offend Muslims.
Muslims might, perhaps, complain about Easter, but they have no gripe against Christmas.
Pretending they do is deliberate shit stirring.
Warning: Opening your mouth may invalidate your brain!