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posted by martyb on Friday January 22 2016, @09:52AM   Printer-friendly
from the lock-in-is-expensive dept.

Munich still uses 41 proprietary apps that will only run under XP or 2000. The city has estimated it will cost $18M to replace them over a 4-year span.

Nick Heath at TechRepublic reports

Windows XP and 2000 are used by fewer than 1,500 of the more than 16,000 staff at the council, which relies on the aged Microsoft systems to run 41 applications.

[...] In order to stop using Windows XP and 2000, these 41 applications will either be migrated to a newer, supported operating system, replaced with more modern software, or phased out--as part of a four year project costing €16.6M ($18.03M).

[...] Munich carried on using XP and 2000 due to these 41 applications being used for crucial work in the city, from monitoring emissions for air pollution to flood protection.

To secure the OSes, Munich ran them on virtual machines and on standalone computers, as well as using what it calls "restrictive data interchange", quarantine systems, and additional protective measures.

The council has decided to stop using these older unsupported versions of Windows now as, not only are they a security risk, but according to a report [PDF, Deutsch] they have limited support for network and data security features the council wants to use.

[...] Often it can be the case that organisations can't update the application to run on a newer OS because the people with the necessary skills are gone or the company that originally wrote the software no longer exists.

[...] The project at Munich will be split into two phases: The first will assess the work needed and the second will carry it out. Work got underway at the end of [2015] and is expected to be complete by the end of September 2019.


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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 23 2016, @10:41AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 23 2016, @10:41AM (#293584)

    The Linux Driver Project has hundreds of guys waiting in line to make your stuff Linux-compatible.
    Look for the number 300. (orig)

    Give them a sample of the stuff you want to be compatible with Linux and they'll have it figured out in no time.

    Waiting "in line" and "in no time" huh? So where are those non crappy working full featured 3D drivers for all AMD/ATI and NVidia's video cards?

    Stop drinking too much of the kool-aid?

    With Linux's approach whenever they break compatibility there is a cost to everyone else - whether it be $$$ or time contacting those hundreds of people you mentioned, or those hundreds themselves. Someone has to do additional work. Remember if the hardware company is long dead you may not get any documentation or source code.

    With Windows those drivers don't need to be changed. So fewer required to notice it it's not working anymore, fewer required to figure a way to get it working again. There's no need to realize that the company in Taiwan that used to sell the hardware is long gone and isn't going to help you or "the hundreds" to write that driver.

    But Microsoft's latest strategy with Windows seems to be towards a different path: http://www.computerworld.com/article/3023533/microsoft-windows/microsoft-support-windows-10-new-hardware-itbwcw.html [computerworld.com]

    Maybe a few large corps that need to stick to older versions of Windows should get together and make threatening noises about sponsoring something like ReactOS ;).

  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 23 2016, @11:48PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 23 2016, @11:48PM (#293753)

    It's obvious that you're talking about closed-source device drivers for crappy hardware that YOU bought from a crappy manufacturer who has crappy support.

    It is abundantly clear whom you -should- be blaming--but aren't.

    -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 24 2016, @10:05AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 24 2016, @10:05AM (#293885)

      You're the one who claimed:

      The Linux Driver Project has hundreds of guys waiting in line to make your stuff Linux-compatible.

      Thus it's more accurate to say they're only waiting in line to make certain things Linux-compatible and not other stuff.

      Thus you will lose support if your stuff doesn't happen to be one of those "certain things" when the kernel devs break compatibility.

      You can play the blame game all you want. The fact is even if AMD goes bust and stops supporting their drivers, you'd be able to use their video cards on Windows for a longer time than on Linux.

      That said nowadays video cards seem to die within 3 years, so won't really be a big problem in practice, since you should be budgeting for a new card...

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 24 2016, @07:53PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 24 2016, @07:53PM (#294051)

        When the software you use is open, you might not even need the big boys to solve your problem.
        Why Software Openness Is Important [googleusercontent.com] (orig) [goodbyemicrosoft.net]
        ...and, as he notes there:

        If this were a Windows PC, I'd be stuck waiting for the manufacturer to issue an updated driver--not likely for my old video card!

        -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]