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posted by cmn32480 on Sunday January 24 2016, @12:24PM   Printer-friendly
from the time-to-invent-the-Botany-Bay dept.

The recent demonstrations of successful rocket recovery by Blue Origin and SpaceX herald a new era of space exploration and development. We can expect, as rocket stages routinely return for reuse from the fringes of space, that the cost of space travel will fall dramatically.

Some in the astronautics community would like to settle the Moon; others have their eyes set on Mars. Many would rather commit to the construction of solar power satellites, efforts to mine and/or divert Near Earth Asteroids (NEAs), or construct enormous cities in space such as the O'Neill Lagrange Point colonies.

But before we can begin any or all of these endeavors, we need to answer some fundamental questions regarding human life beyond the confines of our home planet. Will humans thrive under lunar or martian gravity? Can children be conceived in extraterrestrial environments? What is the safe threshold for human exposure to high-Z galactic cosmic rays (GCRs)?

http://www.centauri-dreams.org/?p=34781


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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Sunday January 24 2016, @12:52PM

    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Sunday January 24 2016, @12:52PM (#293916) Homepage Journal

    Space habitats will only be a step to the planets and moons in the outer system. And, we will crawl at that - few are jumping on the bandwagon. Only when some mega-corporations have been shown that there is money to be made on Mars, the Asteroids, and further out, will we stand up like men, and walk out there.

    Only when we've developed something that will pass as a "star drive" will we take a step toward the stars.

    But, it's good that we are looking at habitats at all. We certanly won't build a stellar civilization until we've done that! Just put your hopes for an interstellar civilation on a back burner. We aren't going out there soon.

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  • (Score: 4, Interesting) by mhajicek on Sunday January 24 2016, @05:25PM

    by mhajicek (51) on Sunday January 24 2016, @05:25PM (#293996)

    I see a fab station on Luna as the most useful next step. Luna has water and aluminum, which can be made into fuel, tanks, and structural components. That way only the smaller, lighter, higher tech components of a vessel need be lifted from Earth.

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    • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Sunday January 24 2016, @05:46PM

      by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Sunday January 24 2016, @05:46PM (#294010) Homepage Journal

      IMO, factories on the moon, and habitats in space will necessarily grow together. The moon has resources that we can reach far more economically than any other place in the system, so yes we definitely need to put people and automated factories there. But, a moon colony can never be seen as an end in itself, or we'll be sidetracked for decades or longer.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 25 2016, @09:12AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 25 2016, @09:12AM (#294254)

        Obvious application for dark side of moon is early warning system for asteroids and other radiotelecope stuff.

    • (Score: 2) by Absolutely.Geek on Sunday January 24 2016, @09:51PM

      by Absolutely.Geek (5328) on Sunday January 24 2016, @09:51PM (#294087)

      One of the big stumbling blocks with automated factories on the moon is going to be maintenance; I work in factories with varied levels of automation (control systems engineer); but no matter how well automated a factory is, stuff breaks / wears out. Planned maintenance is great but it is unplanned maintenance that is going to be a real killer for a moon base; it will be far too expensive to have shift sparkies / fitters just in case something breaks. There will be a bunch of new challenges that come up; it will be an exciting time.

      Maybe the gear that eventually gets put on the moon will be an order of magnitude more reliable then the stuff we use here on earth; or maybe everything will be changed out at 50% of design life rather then 95%; or maybe everything will have sensors monitoring every possible parameter measurable to see failures coming early.

      Maybe there will be maintenance crews living on the moon covering large numbers of automated facilities, but getting that spare you don't have sent up from earth will be a real bitch though. I can just imagine the conversations "Production Manager: why is the factory down?"; "Maintenance Manager: sorry, we don't have a spare for that valve"; "PM: well how long till we get running again?"; "MM: well delivery for that valve is 4 weeks express from Earth"; "PM: 4 WEEKS WTF!!!!, why don't we have a spare?" "MM: we used the last one 3 months back and the order for another set of spares is still with accounting"..........

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      • (Score: 1) by khallow on Monday January 25 2016, @02:20AM

        by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Monday January 25 2016, @02:20AM (#294179) Journal
        I think the approach here will be that the factory can make everything it needs, aside perhaps from some low mass, high complexity stuff like CPU chips which can be stockpiled. Then not only do you avoid a lot of expensive shipping, you also can make more factories on the Moon rather than importing them from Earth. It allows you to scale up industry on the Moon without requiring a lot of expensive inputs from Earth.
        • (Score: 2) by GreatAuntAnesthesia on Monday January 25 2016, @11:17AM

          by GreatAuntAnesthesia (3275) on Monday January 25 2016, @11:17AM (#294284) Journal

          Yup. Also, I have a strong feeling that such efforts will go hand in hand with developments in 3D printing tech. It will be a hell of a lot easier to keep complex machines running when you can just drop a broken part into the recycling bin and have a brand new replacement fabbed (mostly) out of the old materials.

          Many people laugh at 3D printing and say that not everything will be 3D-printable, but I suspect that 20 years from now a hell of a lot of very complex and durable stuff will be. I'm not saying 3D printing will completely replace traditional manufacturing, but it will find its niches (space will be one such niche) and it will be highly disruptive. You'll probably end up with 2 tiers of production facilities:
          - Traditional ones on which are more efficient and can produce higher quality stuff at a low cost, but which are high maintenance (ie require the kind of high-precision parts & tools that can't be 3D printed.) These facilities will be found exclusively on Earth, at least to begin with.

          - Basic 3D printing-based facilities geared more towards easy maintenance. Both the machines it uses and the products it makes are more rough and ready than the high-spec stuff, but more readily replaced. This is the kind of thing you'll find in space.

          Therefore you will have two tiers of products:
          - High-precision, high-spec gear that relies on the top manufacturing tier. Better performance, but replacement parts have to come from traditional factories (ie Earth). Maintenance will require specialist skills and tools.
          - Lower tech products designed around 3D printing. Lower performance, less efficient, but far easier to maintain with easily-swappable parts.

          Oblig car metaphor: Modern cars require diagnostic software to plug into the ECU, specialist tools, precision-engineered parts, specific high-performance oils and all the rest of it. However a car designed 50 years ago is not as fast or efficient as a new one, but you can maintain it yourself with a set of spanners and a bucket of chip fat, and maybe even improvise spares from junk you find lying around in your garage. Which one would you want to be driving if you only had limited and expensive access to the supply chain that produces all the high-tech parts, tools, oils and whatnot?

          Therefore, to get from Earth to orbit you'll use the kind of ultra-efficient, super-shiny, high-precision, high-tech stuff we currently imagine for the future. Once you're up there though, you'll be immediately surrounded by cruder-looking gear that is more about ease of maintenance / replacement and redundancy.

          Maybe if you have a lot of resources (*cough*military*cough*) you'll be able to take the really expensive high-performance Earth-built stuff beyond LEO and keep it running there, but doing so will require a very expensive and potentially fragile chain of logistics stretching all the way back to the homeworld.

          BTW anyone else watching "The Expanse"? Just started it, loving it.

          • (Score: 1) by khallow on Monday January 25 2016, @11:21PM

            by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Monday January 25 2016, @11:21PM (#294662) Journal

            BTW anyone else watching "The Expanse"?

            No, but it sounds like a fascinating premise. One of the problems with science fiction has been either that the science fiction is commonly about dystopian or apocalyptic futures or rather unrealistic star trek futures. The Expanse seems to cover what would be an interesting time for us though it does appear to introduce alien tech as a deux ex machina.