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from the can't-they-find-a-new-excuse-to-steal-my-rights dept.
You have too many rights, so it's time for a little rebalancing:
Internet anonymity should be banned and everyone required to carry the equivalent of a license plate when driving around online. That's according to Erik Barnett, the US Department of Homeland Security's attaché to the European Union.
Writing in French policy magazine FIC Observatoire, Barnett somewhat predictably relies on the existence of child abuse images to explain why everyone in the world should be easily monitored. He tells a story about how a Romanian man offered to share sexually explicit images of his daughter with an American man over email. The unnamed email provider uncovered this exchange and forwarded the IP address of the Romanian to the European authorities and a few days later the man was arrested. Job well done.
Before we have an opportunity to celebrate, however, Barnett jumps straight to terrorism. "How much of the potential jihadists' data should intelligence agencies or law enforcement be able to examine to protect citizenry from terrorist attack?", he poses. The answer, of course, is everything. Then the pitch: "As the use of technology by human beings grows and we look at ethical and philosophical questions surrounding ownership of data and privacy interests, we must start to ask how much of the user's data is fair game for law enforcement to protect children from sexual abuse?"
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 01 2016, @10:43AM
> ”He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither.” Benjamin Franklin
How old are you?
How long have you been on the interwebz?
Yet you can't even be arsed to actually get the quote right.
> then you should go live in one of the Islamic countries
Are you trying to make the people who actually have a principled stand look like juvenile bigots?
(Score: 3, Informative) by Runaway1956 on Monday February 01 2016, @11:59AM
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Franklin's Contributions to the Conference on February 17 (III) Fri, Feb 17, 1775
NOTES
In 1755 (Pennsylvania Assembly: Reply to the Governor, Tue, Nov 11, 1755), Franklin wrote: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
This phrasing was also the motto in Historical Review of Pennsylvania, attributed to Franklin
It's important to note that this sentiment, with many variations, was much used in the Revolutionary period by Franklin and others.
franklin: liberty/ security
“Those who would give up Essential Liberty, to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety" is, I believe, the correct quote but it is often quoted as, "Who give up liberty for safety, deserve neither."
This expression seems to have mutated over time. Respectfully Quoted: A Dictionary of Quotations (1989) cites it as:
Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
Benjamin Franklin, "Pennsylvania Assembly: Reply to the Governor", November 11, 1755; as cited in The Papers of Benjamin Franklin, vol. 6, p. 242, Leonard W. Labaree, ed. (1963)
It shows up four years later in a slightly different form, according to Bartlett's Familiar Quotations (1919):
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania (1759); included in the work and displayed as the motto of the work, according to Rise of the Republic of the United States, p. 413, Richard Frothingham (1873)
Back to Respectfully Quoted, we find yet another version inscribed in a famous monument:
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Benjamin Franklin; stairwell plaque in the Statue of Liberty
It's possible that Franklin said this in different ways at earlier times, but so far, the 1755 letter is the earliest source I've found. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 04:14, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
Those that are willing to give up a little temporary safety for essential liberty are not going to get much of either safety or liberty. - Myself
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 3, Informative) by Runaway1956 on Monday February 01 2016, @12:00PM
Oooops - forgot to attribute the second half of my post - http://3dblogger.typepad.com/wired_state/2012/05/those-who-use-this-benjamin-franklin-quote-deserve-not-to-be-taken-seriously.html [typepad.com]
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 01 2016, @02:01PM
Did you just cite a web page that literally says you should not be taken seriously?
Oh runaway, maybe you should change your name to unaware1956....
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Monday February 01 2016, @03:26PM
ROFLMAO - obviously I discount that person's OPINION. He did, however, explain quite well why there is no single version of the quote which you claimed to be flawed. The saying was common, and it was phrased in many ways, even by Franklin, to whom it is attributed. In fact, I could alter the phrasing an any number of ways, and it would still be "authentic".
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 01 2016, @01:50PM
Franklin wasn't a "pedantic" but your post proves you are.
The way your misquote differs from all of Franklin's variations is in the most important way - lack of the terms "essential" and "little." You've demonstrated your pedantry by thinking that minor variations in what Franklin wrote excuse your ignorance of the actual meaning of what he wrote.