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NCommander
on Thursday April 10 2014, @05:40PM
from the if-we-accidently-implemented-something-we-promised-is-it-still-a-bug? dept.
from the if-we-accidently-implemented-something-we-promised-is-it-still-a-bug? dept.
I'm pleased to announce that moderate then post has now been implemented. In truth, its been implemented since the last major update due to a bug. Before releasing slashcode 14.04, I was experimenting with moderate^post code on dev, and the code was merged in with the basis that it would be enabled as part of the moderation reworks. Theoretically, this code should have been disabled. In actuality, I skewed a variable; the global that controls this functionality was not 100% properly implemented.
mrcoolbp noticed the bug today, and seeing as we needed a code change either way to properly fix it, I decided to roll this bit of the moderation rework out early. I'm not thrilled on squishing two bugs in production on the same day, and I'm going to be working with the dev team to get a rigorous QA plan put together (which will be posted here) before we do any more major updates to the site.
Until then, enjoy the new functionality.
NCommander adds: I'm giving this a one time bump on the main index as it was posted very late for US based users. We *really really* need a featured story feature.
mrcoolbp noticed the bug today, and seeing as we needed a code change either way to properly fix it, I decided to roll this bit of the moderation rework out early. I'm not thrilled on squishing two bugs in production on the same day, and I'm going to be working with the dev team to get a rigorous QA plan put together (which will be posted here) before we do any more major updates to the site.
Until then, enjoy the new functionality.
NCommander adds: I'm giving this a one time bump on the main index as it was posted very late for US based users. We *really really* need a featured story feature.
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(Score: 3, Interesting) by maxwell demon on Thursday April 10 2014, @05:55AM
What do you mean? Unlike on Slashdot, you don't actually moderate unless and until you press the "moderate" button. So you can preview your moderation as long as you want. Just refrain from pressing that "moderate" button until you're sure.
The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
(Score: 2, Redundant) by NCommander on Thursday April 10 2014, @05:59AM
Its easy to misclick and choose the wrong moderation; unless you look through every post makng sure you haven't foobared it, you can mismod. WHat I wanted was a confirmation page showing all the moderations you're going to apply in a single go.
Still always moving
(Score: 2) by maxwell demon on Thursday April 10 2014, @06:08AM
I understand. Maybe that has been no issue for me because I tend to press "moderate" after either single or few close together moderations, so it's trivial to review those before submission.
Actually I'd prefer the moderation buttons right to the dropdown menu to refer to the single moderation on the left (the way it happens if you use the Moderatrix Firefox extension on Slashdot). Of course, that will only work well as soon as some Ajax is introduced.
The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
(Score: 3, Informative) by NCommander on Thursday April 10 2014, @04:48PM
This is a limitation on how the moderation script works; if you looked at the HTML of the page when you have modpoints, you'd see that basically the entire thing becomes one giant form, and everything gets fired off at once. Its room for improvement, but not pressing plus to make such a feature work.
Still always moving
(Score: 4, Insightful) by ticho on Thursday April 10 2014, @06:47AM
But you are supposed to do exactly that when moderating - carefully pick the right option, not whirl through them haphazardly. You owe it to other participants when acting as a moderator.
If anything, this should make people to pause and think during moderation even more, because they will know they can't just undo their mods.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by rts008 on Thursday April 10 2014, @09:38AM
Unfortunately, a lot of times moderators like to use the mod points as 'clue bats' from their point of view.
I do my best to only use +1 insightful/informative/funny mods unless there is an obvious troll.
I try to stay open minded, and attempt to mod to further the discussion...not everyone does so.(and I fail occasionally, also!)
(Score: 1) by ticho on Thursday April 10 2014, @12:24PM
My point was not how you use the points, but that you use them without haste,without having to undo them later due a mistake.
(Score: 2) by Reziac on Friday April 11 2014, @02:05AM
I've never mismodded in haste. I have mismodded (and had to do a kill-mod post) because somewhere between one dropdown and the next, I must have hit an arrow key which changed the selection, and what was supposed to be a mod-up became a mod-down. But it only took once... now I check before I click the Mod button. It's a bit of a nuisance, still.
And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
(Score: 1) by el_oscuro on Thursday April 10 2014, @10:40PM
I agree. If we have a preview button for comments (which you just typed and are on your screen), we should have one for moderation as well. You can be moderating a long discussion where an accidental key press can change a random moderation that isn't even on the screen and it is very hard to catch even if you are checking carefully.
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(Score: 3, Interesting) by maxwell demon on Thursday April 10 2014, @06:00AM
I just notice whom I answered to ... I'm sure you knew what I just wrote ;-) But I'm still puzzled what you mean with "moderation preview".
(Oh, and removing the waiting period between posts would also be a welcome change. I understand there must be some limit, but it shouldn't already trigger at the second post. Make it two posts in 4 minutes instead of one post in 2, and things would be much better already.)
The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
(Score: 2) by NCommander on Thursday April 10 2014, @04:56PM
The post button limit I think is 1-2 minutes. Submission queue have a 5 minute cooldown. Due to a varnish bug, the reskey check that implements the cooldown was misfiring, but this SHOULD be fixed. If you're still seeing it, its a bug.
Still always moving
(Score: 2) by maxwell demon on Thursday April 10 2014, @06:25PM
Well, my self-correcting self-reply almost certainly was really in the first two minutes of my previous post, so I don't think I triggered a bug. It's also not a pressing issue (I can live with the current delay, although I don't like it), but one which would be very welcome in case it eventually gets changed. It would just be nice if it were somewhere on the list of things to do when there happens to be time left. Whenever that may be.
Anyway, in case I come over too critical, let me stress that I really think you're doing a great job. My comments are just saying how I think the site would become even better.
The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
(Score: 2) by NCommander on Thursday April 10 2014, @08:24PM
I'll poke in the DB for the magic variable that controls this. The rate limiting was accidently broken by varnish (formkeys weren't being saved, which caused other issues), so when we fixed that bug, this functionality returned.
Still always moving