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posted by takyon on Wednesday February 17 2016, @02:40AM   Printer-friendly
from the make-bad-scifi-real dept.

[Important Note: Some links (especially Ars Technica) are NSFW for US government employees as they contain slides that are marked "Top Secret". Exercise discretion/caution in this story's comments, too. -Ed.]

Yes, it is cloud-based, yes, it does decide about the fate of hundreds of humans, and yes, ultimately it does direct robots to kill innocent humans.

SKYNET is a system created by the NSA that applies machine learning algorithms to supposedly determine the likelihood of someone turning into a terrorist based on mobile phone metadata. According to slides published at Ars Technica, evil acts like switching off your mobile phone (= evading surveillance), switching SIM cards (= trying unsuccessfully to evade surveillance, thanks to IMEI, etc.), swapping phones with others (= trying unsuccessfully to evade surveillance, thanks to other surveillance data) will be taken together as indicators of your evil intentions.

Patrick Ball—a data scientist and the executive director at the Human Rights Data Analysis Group—who has previously given expert testimony before war crimes tribunals, described the NSA's methods as "ridiculously optimistic" and "completely bullshit." A flaw in how the NSA trains SKYNET's machine learning algorithm to analyse cellular metadata, Ball told Ars, makes the results scientifically unsound.


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  • (Score: 2) by rts008 on Wednesday February 17 2016, @05:11AM

    by rts008 (3001) on Wednesday February 17 2016, @05:11AM (#305602)

    ...dot-connecting escapades,...

    They currently have more 'dots' than they can connect. If they collect any more 'dots', they will effectively cover the whole page, with no dots to connect, it will be a completely covered page.

    The last I heard, they could barely keep up with collecting and storing the data, and no realistic hope of ever getting around to organizing, or examining the data they already have, much less the data pouring in.

    Since they have already been collecting this stuff, I hope they choke and die trying to swallow it all, while the hard-copy(dry, no lube) of the PATRIOT Act gets shoved up their asses(one full copy(verbatim) per person, not one copy divided among the many deserving politicians), at the same time.

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  • (Score: 4, Interesting) by legont on Wednesday February 17 2016, @06:40AM

    by legont (4179) on Wednesday February 17 2016, @06:40AM (#305633)

    Russians during Stalin times tried this argument which would go like this: if all the people are on KGB list, KGB will not be able to put them all in prisons. Guess what, KGB just got a totally legal way to put anybody away and prove it in court cause everybody had a sheet. Yes, they did not arrest everybody, but just enough.
    Back to nowadays, NSA can pick up anybody and prove terrorist relationships. They have the same on everybody else? What a conspiracy theory Your Honer!

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    "Wealth is the relentless enemy of understanding" - John Kenneth Galbraith.
    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 17 2016, @07:58AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 17 2016, @07:58AM (#305658)
    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 17 2016, @02:31PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 17 2016, @02:31PM (#305784)

      Also the Soviets didn't have Big Data, advanced supercomputers and network theory.

      I wonder whether it is anymore possible to hide something with volume. (The ultimate machine to find the needle in the haystack is of course the quantum computer which can look simultaneously under every straw regardless of the amount of straws. We're not there yet but it literally is the end of the world as we know it when we do.)

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 17 2016, @07:02PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 17 2016, @07:02PM (#305885)

        Soviets of those days (note that after Stalin it was very different) did not care that much whom to prison. Same the US now does not care which particular black unemployed is imprisoned as long as there are enough of them to claim unemployment figures and hit welfare targets.

        • (Score: 2) by GreatAuntAnesthesia on Thursday February 18 2016, @09:23AM

          by GreatAuntAnesthesia (3275) on Thursday February 18 2016, @09:23AM (#306240) Journal

          > the US now does not care which particular black unemployed is imprisoned as long as there are enough of them unable to vote a black guy into the Whitehouse

          FTFY (This cunning plan obviously failed somehow back in 2008)

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 21 2016, @08:09PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 21 2016, @08:09PM (#307845)

        I wonder whether it is anymore possible to hide something with volume.

        Sure it is. So long as they aren't looking for something very specific.

        If they are just looking for people who might be terrorists, for example, then the number of false positives will overwhelm them. Let's say they have data on 10 million people, and their algorithm is very good and only has a false positive rate of 0.1% (which would be very low), that means they would have 10,000 innocent people falsely flagged as terrorists which they would have to manually examine and exclude (or put under surveilance just in case), on the flip side you also have to consider false negatives, where they don't identify actual terrorists, the lower the false positives, the lower the false negatives, so if they had a false positive rate of 0.1%, they might have a false negative rate of 50%, which would be no good, you could be exceedingly generous and assume they could get it down to 10%, but that would still be missing quite a lot of terrorists and including far too many innocent people. If there were 100 terrorists in that data set, then they would flag 10,090 people as terrorists and then somehow have to determine out of those which are actually terrorist, and yet there are still 10 of them they have failed to spot. In all likelihood here, I am being far too generous with my numbers and they would have both more false positives and more false negatives. If they want to decrease the false negative rate, they will also increase the false positive rate.

        This is a nutshell is the problem with trying to find something rare in a large population.