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I'm wearing PAMPERS!!
(Score: 5, Insightful) by bradley13 on Tuesday March 15 2016, @02:35PM
"I'm pleasantly surprised that "the other side" of the story is getting told at all, anywhere."
The thing is, there is no "other side", at least, not any more than there is another side to the theory of the earth being a globe. Sure, there are flat-earthers, but they deserve all of the ridicule they get. So do the anti-vaxxers.
Aside from anti-vaxxer sites making stuff up, there is no evidence of vaccinated people being contagious. And if someone does get ill, that's a sure indication that they, themselves, were not vaccinated. Unless they are a young infant, or immune compromised, then it's their own damned fault.
"The "Vaccinate NOW" rhetoric is so fever-pitched..." If true, it's out of irritation. Where I live, lots of medical personnel refuse to get vaccinated. Totally inexcusable - as far as I am concerned, that should be a firing offense. Because they then get sick, and during the first few days they may well come to work while contagious, risking the lives of their (already ill) patients.
Everyone is somebody else's weirdo.
(Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Tuesday March 15 2016, @02:49PM
Here's some evidence of another side to the story:
http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/ [hrsa.gov]
I agree with the "very rare" statement in their website, but one in a million is very rare, and is still affecting hundreds of people in the U.S.
Україна досі не є частиною Росії Слава Україні🌻 https://news.stanford.edu/2023/02/17/will-russia-ukraine-war-end
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 15 2016, @04:20PM
1 in a million is no more then a statistical anomaly.
These people take higher risks driving the Prius to the grocery store.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by bradley13 on Tuesday March 15 2016, @05:09PM
Yes, just like there is "another side" to seatbelts. Once in a great while, someone is trapped in a burning car, because they cannot release their seatbelt. Or wearing a helmet during dangerous sports - once in a weird while, I'm sure you can blame the helmet itself for an injury.
This is not a sensible argument against seatbelts, or helmets, or vaccinations.
Everyone is somebody else's weirdo.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by HiThere on Tuesday March 15 2016, @07:34PM
It's not a sensible argument against vaccinations, but it is, if honestly presented, a valid "other side". Few things are either all positive or all negative.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 16 2016, @01:04AM
Finally a sane, non-extreme comment.
(Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Wednesday March 16 2016, @12:44PM
Let me lead with "and I still think vaccines are a generally good thing", but take a shot at your seatbelts and helmet analogies: seatbelts and helmets first do no harm, and then increase your odds of a good outcome in the event of a (rare) accident. Administering a vaccine is more like running a crash-test on your child, and usually coming out with a good result that makes them safer in the future.
I do have a problem with physicians who ignore the Hippocratic oath, and lots of them do when "science" predicts better outcomes down the road.
"Science" is generally good, but when differential reimbursement is thrown into the decision tree - I do personally know more than one licensed physician who errs on the side of getting paid.
Україна досі не є частиною Росії Слава Україні🌻 https://news.stanford.edu/2023/02/17/will-russia-ukraine-war-end
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 15 2016, @02:51PM
http://graphics.wsj.com/infectious-diseases-and-vaccines/ [wsj.com]
This shows better than anything why to get vaccinated. We went from nearly eradicating some diseases to them becoming a thing again.
This seems to be a generational thing. "the greatest generation" knows. Ask them about how many brothers, sisters, and friends they lost to particular diseases. Ask them about quarantine houses. Diseases where it is not common knowledge what the symptoms are anymore (we have to look it up). When I was younger my grandmother would take us to the gravesites of her dead brothers and sisters. It was a special part of a cemetery. It was quite full of very old grave markers of children that died before they were 5.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 15 2016, @05:47PM
Interesting link. While I agree that vaccinations are probably a huge contributing factor to the decline in many of these diseases this does not necessarily mean it is the only reason alone why these diseases have been in decline. It could also be that an increased awareness of these diseases and how they spread has also improved our ability to detect and stop their spread through earlier detection and prevention. Things like disinfectants, advancements in the manufacturing of and improvements in the use of disinfectants to prevent the spread of a disease when it's present based on what we learn about it, improvements in our ability to prevent air born diseases in hospitals by improving ventilation systems and creating better quarantine systems, improvements in sanitation systems, etc... have all probably contributed as well.
(Score: 2) by Grishnakh on Tuesday March 15 2016, @06:31PM
And if someone does get ill, that's a sure indication that they, themselves, were not vaccinated. Unless they are a young infant, or immune compromised, then it's their own damned fault.
I disagree. Anyone under the age of 18 is not a legal adult and their parents make medical decisions for them, so they can't be blamed either, when their parents refuse to get them vaccinated.
Where I live, lots of medical personnel refuse to get vaccinated.
What horrible place is this?