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posted by n1 on Sunday April 13 2014, @11:48PM   Printer-friendly
from the environmentally-conscious-fornication dept.

Researchers at The Korea Advanced Institute of Science and Technology have developed a thermo-electric generator which resides in a light, flexible glass-fabric, and which can be powered by body heat.

When using KAIST's TE generator (with a size of 10 cm x 10 cm) for a wearable wristband device, it will produce around 40 mW electric power based on the temperature difference of 31 degrees F between human skin and the surrounding air.

To put this in context: Based on Table 9 ("Average System Power (mW)") of this research paper into smart-phone power consumption (based on the Openmoko Neo Freerunner) we'd need at least 10 times that (400 to 1100 mW) to power our phones.

 
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  • (Score: 4, Interesting) by tftp on Sunday April 13 2014, @11:57PM

    by tftp (806) on Sunday April 13 2014, @11:57PM (#31058) Homepage

    To put this in context: Based on Table 9 ("Average System Power (mW)") of this research paper into smart-phone power consumption (based on the Openmoko Neo Freerunner) we'd need at least 10 times that (400 to 1100 mW) to power our phones.

    The phone needs 1W to operate. The paper says that the phone, in suspended mode, needs 60 mW. This means that you can keep the phone off, and 10 minutes of wearing the generator will give you one minute of talk time. This is not that bad if you are lost and need the phone for a 911 call.

    • (Score: 2) by prospectacle on Monday April 14 2014, @12:49AM

      by prospectacle (3422) on Monday April 14 2014, @12:49AM (#31076) Journal

      You're right. You could attach an emergency-recharge pack in a watch-like casing. Meanwhile you use and charge your phone as normal, but if you ever get caught out, you've got a few minutes worth of power stored in your wrist-band.

      For more surface area they could make power pants.

      I concede that the last sentence in the TFS may have looked dismissive, but it supposed to be; it was simply meant to address the question "So how much is 40mW in practice?". I figured a smart-phone is an example use-case that most people would be familiar with.

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      • (Score: 2) by prospectacle on Monday April 14 2014, @12:52AM

        by prospectacle (3422) on Monday April 14 2014, @12:52AM (#31077) Journal

        "... last sentence in the TFS may have looked dismissive, but it wasn't supposed to be.."

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        • (Score: 2) by tynin on Monday April 14 2014, @02:37AM

          by tynin (2013) on Monday April 14 2014, @02:37AM (#31110) Journal

          Thanks for the correction. In my tired stupor, it did appear dismissive.

    • (Score: 2) by wonkey_monkey on Monday April 14 2014, @09:39AM

      by wonkey_monkey (279) on Monday April 14 2014, @09:39AM (#31225) Homepage

      I don't think that's a very practical usage case, in that I don't think anyone's going to slap on their thermo-electric charger strip in case they get lost, when they could just take a spare battery or any of the many more useful (for this case) charging solutions that already exist.

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      • (Score: 1) by tftp on Monday April 14 2014, @10:08AM

        by tftp (806) on Monday April 14 2014, @10:08AM (#31230) Homepage

        Well, the problem is that if people expect to get lost then they not only take the spare battery - they also do not get lost. Accidents happen primarily by accident, totally unexpectedly. The best use case for such a thing is to be built into clothing or some very common piece of equipment, like a backpack, so that it is always available, even if you do not take it with you intentionally.

        I cannot say how efficient it would be, but one would think that even an hour of solar (or thermal) charging to call 911 is not too much if the alternative is to not survive. One can be in trouble only half a mile from the civilization, in an area of excellent cellular coverage. It's only a simple matter of parking at the shoulder of the road, walking for a minute into the forest, and then falling into a creek and breaking a leg, or having a heart attack...

        But generally only the market can tell how much this device is wanted.

  • (Score: 4, Interesting) by stormwyrm on Monday April 14 2014, @12:40AM

    by stormwyrm (717) on Monday April 14 2014, @12:40AM (#31073) Journal

    That seems overly optimistic. 31°F temperature difference is about 16°C temp difference if my conversions aren't totally shot, so they're assuming 20°C or so outside temperatures. Too bad I live in the tropics, where the temperatures are typically something like 32°C if we're lucky, or even as high as 40°C if we're not. With such a low temperature difference I guess they'd get even less usable energy out. Place like this a solar panel might be a better bet. (And on another note, why do we have Fahrenheit temperatures quoted? When I went there last I saw that South Korea uses Celsius just like the most of the rest of the world).

    Energy has to be coming from somewhere... So if you wore a skintight suit covered with these thermoelectric generators, would you feel even colder?

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    • (Score: 2, Insightful) by tftp on Monday April 14 2014, @01:15AM

      by tftp (806) on Monday April 14 2014, @01:15AM (#31086) Homepage

      Place like this a solar panel might be a better bet.

      Just make sure that you have all your emergencies in daytime :-)

      Clearly, the ideal emergency recharge pack should combine all accessible energy harvesting methods: thermoelectric, solar, and muscle power too. Wind power is too unreliable, and there is no wind in places where most of the population lives. This pack cannot be small, but it can be foldable and lightweight. Most people won't need it. Those who do will carry it as an item in their backpack. Embedding it into the phone is not very practical, IMO. Here is one example [voltaicsystems.com]. I have their solar panel and an external battery pack (for a project.)

      • (Score: 2) by sjames on Monday April 14 2014, @07:38PM

        by sjames (2882) on Monday April 14 2014, @07:38PM (#31499) Journal

        Thermal is a good bet for an emergency power pack, but not from your wrist. Make it tolerate the heat of a wood fire and preferably also able to work with solar heating of the hot side.

        The hand crank is less convenient but even more reliable source of power.

    • (Score: 2) by Reziac on Monday April 14 2014, @02:32AM

      by Reziac (2489) on Monday April 14 2014, @02:32AM (#31108) Homepage

      Actually, I was wondering something similar ... if the battery charger concept could be turned into portable personal cooling.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 14 2014, @03:10PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 14 2014, @03:10PM (#31321)

      31°F temperature difference is about 16°C temp difference if my conversions aren't totally shot

      $ units '31 degF' degC
      * 17.222222

      So, not totally shot :)

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 14 2014, @02:57AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 14 2014, @02:57AM (#31113)

    Congratz! ..we have come one step closer to the future as envisioned in The Matrix.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 14 2014, @01:47PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 14 2014, @01:47PM (#31277)
    Scale it up!

    Stick one on every waste heated industrial surface in the world!