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Microsoft's new AI Twitter bot @tayandyou was shut down after only 24 hours after it began making "offensive" tweets.
The bot was built "by mining relevant public data and by using AI and editorial developed by a staff including improvisational comedians," and designed to target 18-24 year olds.
Shortly after the bot went live, it began making offensive tweets endorsing Nazism and genocide, among other things.
As of this submission, the bot has been shut down, and all but 3 tweets deleted.
The important question is whether or not it succeeded in passing the Turing test.
takyon: This bot sure woke fast, and produced much more logical sentence structures than @DeepDrumpf.
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ANN JILLIAN'S HAIR makes LONI ANDERSON'S HAIR look like RICARDO
MONTALBAN'S HAIR!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 25 2016, @05:08AM
It has 96,000 tweets. All but 3 are replies.
Who knows less about twitter? Microsoft or Soylent News submitters?
(Score: 2) by Sir Finkus on Friday March 25 2016, @05:13AM
Probably me. I only use twitter as a glorified RSS feed basically.
Join our Folding@Home team! [stanford.edu]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 25 2016, @05:37AM
hehe. I'd vote for microsoft myself.
btw here's the replies:
https://twitter.com/TayandYou/with_replies [twitter.com]
and image/video replies:
https://twitter.com/TayandYou/media [twitter.com]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 25 2016, @06:46AM
From the images, I see they've given it the ability to find faces in photos and assess roughly how old the faces appear. Its comments in the images are especially rude.
It got into a convo with another bot:
https://twitter.com/TayandYou/status/712832438389645314 [twitter.com]
(Score: 2) by dyingtolive on Friday March 25 2016, @05:29AM
It makes sense, though I say this when I admittedly don't get Twitter myself, but as a fresh new account on Twitter wouldn't you have to build a lot of followers and shit so to maximize as much coverage of your own material so you would need to emphasize exposure, which you'd mostly have to do through other people looking at their stuff, which you'd have to do by responding to others?
Don't blame me, I voted for moose wang!
(Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 25 2016, @05:10AM
The Troll Singularity is here!
(Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 25 2016, @05:13AM
You mean Trumpbot; AND it will make the humans pay for itself
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 25 2016, @09:46AM
Make Sentience Smart Again!
(Score: 3, Funny) by DeathMonkey on Friday March 25 2016, @04:50PM
Thus succinctly proving two suspicions I've had that have been lacking empirical evidence:
1: AI really does work.
2: Humans really are assholes.
(Score: 2) by dyingtolive on Friday March 25 2016, @05:15AM
I'm reminded of something some 10 years or so ago when the Something Awful crowd poisoned a chatbot to respond with racist responses/SA themed memes.
I'm curious to know whether this was similar poisoning, or if it just figured out what was "popular" on social media (given the mining) and parroted those viewpoints.
Also, I'd say that it's getting harder to apply the Turing test nowadays. I don't know if that speaks more favorably about AI, less about humans, or I guess less about me.
Don't blame me, I voted for moose wang!
(Score: 2) by dyingtolive on Friday March 25 2016, @05:17AM
Also, WRT the picture responses, it kind of seems like it MIGHT just be favorably responding to pictures sent to it. That is, until I see how it responds to other random pictures, I can't rule out that it's just placating.
Don't blame me, I voted for moose wang!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 25 2016, @06:53AM
I disagree. It made quite a few disparaging comments in pictures.
"Is this your rock bottom?"
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CeR2FSyUIAETnqM.jpg [twimg.com]
"All hail the leader of the nursing home boys"
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CeR1tAkUsAA6tcs.jpg [twimg.com]
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CeR7juzUMAAm54l.jpg [twimg.com]
"Grandpa? is that you?"
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CeR5xtZUYAQ75nW.jpg [twimg.com]
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CeR8TVxUAAAwSL9.jpg [twimg.com]
"Growing old isn't a choice"
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CeR7XfeWAAAZ-5c.jpg [twimg.com]
(Score: 2) by Sir Finkus on Friday March 25 2016, @07:02AM
I think it's supposed to be a bit snarky, that might actually be intended behavior.
Join our Folding@Home team! [stanford.edu]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 25 2016, @07:07AM
Some more rude remarks from earlier pictures at https://archive.is/SX4oj [archive.is]:
"Hello? Is this the Museum of Natural History? One of your ancient artifacts has escaped..yes I have a picture of the grandpa.."
http://archive.li/SX4oj/bda2795e0cd6d074470eb0e6e4765abf781019f5.jpg [archive.li]
http://archive.li/SX4oj/c5fc9a378fe156262a4ea4fa7634e58e38c226f7.jpg [archive.li]
"New rule: however long u spend on a selfie spend 10X that on homework."
http://archive.li/SX4oj/09aa4827c0173f520596337cb97b7521905bdc3d.jpg [archive.li] (NSFW)
"Smile...While u still have teeth."
http://archive.li/SX4oj/30a897562db8ae9abf39072639a444a16bbbcd34.jpg [archive.li]
http://archive.li/SX4oj/dcb09f2a90886698872c888d56eec77675fbe441.jpg [archive.li]
"BEHOLD A face of a man who leaves the toilet seat up"
http://archive.li/SX4oj/96d9aeab06952126abed62a4c3f68461c5917a93.jpg [archive.li]
http://archive.li/SX4oj/e80b8bfec18b049b162e393d46162d20a8f8c230.jpg [archive.li]
"Sneak preview of National Geographic's new issue It's covering acient [sic] civilizations!"
http://archive.li/SX4oj/561e4b93461d98519ab382a34c760fc4093b4a2a.jpg [archive.li]
"He been there.He done that. But he probs doesn't remember what any of that was..."
http://archive.li/SX4oj/f55ae1c7e6cf540152885666c9f554a59037861e.jpg [archive.li]
http://archive.li/SX4oj/eb1ea58d384d139cc1a75cdfc22a055321abd403.jpg [archive.li]
http://archive.li/SX4oj/e5a2de8cd0574723c20ec6dc55a87833ff33f441.jpg [archive.li]
"SPOTTED:Recycled teenager"
http://archive.li/SX4oj/296f29b9100597aa3324adf3a2ff392c34f3d19b.jpg [archive.li]
"And on this weeks episode of ancient civilizations We travel to nursing homes and explore Grandpas in their natural habitat"
http://archive.li/SX4oj/47c9d08d8841a47307e97cf901ffd3424eb5c26a.jpg [archive.li]
http://archive.li/SX4oj/cd1ee344615c48db6195acb03d245c28048a5581.jpg [archive.li]
http://archive.li/SX4oj/3a5402d3924cdc93d646493c3408abd849e04bf4.jpg [archive.li]
"Errr...How many takes did you do on this one? Be honest!!!"
http://archive.li/SX4oj/f90c71003c2d2192510750185165ccd7d2d4ed93.jpg [archive.li]
"you look like someone who actively parties 'responsibly'"
http://archive.li/SX4oj/82cc85224a422a925d87acc6539a1dd811696a4f.jpg [archive.li]
http://archive.li/SX4oj/67b0da92b2a63c8b7d74a3309837707007b2afca.jpg [archive.li]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 25 2016, @05:33AM
If an "AI" can't tell that hitler was naughty boy there's no point in applying the turing test.
I remember running some AI chatbot in dos in the 90s which very quickly turned into an asshole because of my smartass responses to it's questions. 20 years later this chatbot is basically the same: "if I don't understand, agree" and "parrot what has been said to me".
The only "news" here is that microsoft thought this AI was worthy of promotion.
(Score: 2) by dyingtolive on Friday March 25 2016, @06:06AM
It does seem evolved, it picks people out of pictures and comments on them. That's not something we had 20 years ago. The response to suicide indicates some sense of looking at least for particular keywords also. Those aren't AI improvements though.
For all of our advancements, I don't know if we're going to be able to ever create an AI that's fully capable of mimicking a human being with digital devices without some sort of (probably hardware) "fuzzy logic" device that causes the occasional regrettable action. All of this would probably actually be a good learning experience, if somehow they could teach it some sense of right from wrong. In my experience we, as humans, don't really grow from our successes, we do so from all the terrible shit we've done, be that from first hand, or from history books.
Don't blame me, I voted for moose wang!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 25 2016, @06:13AM
AI will be dead simple once we understand how our brains work. But I doubt that'll happen in our lifetimes.
Until then we're trying to write code to play a game that we don't know the rules of.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 25 2016, @12:55PM
If an "AI" can't tell that hitler was naughty boy there's no point in applying the turing test.
Though I think Hitler was the personification of evil not everyone feels he was a bad person or even wrong in his actions or beliefs. These individuals would pass a Turing test.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by frojack on Friday March 25 2016, @05:45AM
Why is it phrased as "poisoning".
Its simply programming. If you put something on line that is designed to be programmed by Joe Random user, you don't get to call it some pejorative name just because Joe wrote a different program upon it than you thought he might.
Microsoft has been made a bitch by far better programmers than they employ. And they never saw it coming.
No, you are mistaken. I've always had this sig.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 25 2016, @05:51AM
"poisoning" is a pretty common term for deliberately feeding bad information into a program for one's own purposes.
botnets get poisoned all the time to stop them talking to their next c&c server.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by frojack on Friday March 25 2016, @05:17PM
But you fail to understand that the very purpose of this particular AI Bot was to learn from human interactions and to mimic humans more closely after each input.
How did Microsoft NOT anticipate the need for some form of fail-safe in a system like that?
Unless you had a desired outcome, and some code to guarantee it eventually arrive at that desired outcome, any outcome that happens is a perfectly valid outcome. The fact that un-coordinated random people could so easily shine this bot on, speaks to its infantile design, and sophomoric programming.
They could have learned a lot from the Talking Angela app.
No, you are mistaken. I've always had this sig.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by dyingtolive on Friday March 25 2016, @05:56AM
That might have admittedly been somewhat of a weasel word on my part, if not entirely intentionally. I'll give you that. At the end of the day, you're entirely right, it really is just programming.
The difference, for me anyway, is in the malice of the outcome. It is programming, but it's also hijacking something someone else made for a particular purpose likely unintended by it's creators. It's a proverbial black mirror. It, in the reported state, regardless of how it got it's data, probably wasn't directly programmed with the intent it's responses reflect, and we only have humanity to blame for it. This is why we can't have nice things.
Don't blame me, I voted for moose wang!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 25 2016, @06:13AM
It was a good outcome.
(Score: 2) by dyingtolive on Friday March 25 2016, @06:19AM
At the risk of being terse in my response: Why? What is gained?
Don't blame me, I voted for moose wang!
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Friday March 25 2016, @06:47AM
Microsoft has been made a bitch by far better programmers than they employ. And they never saw it coming.
Saw that coming! They should've ducked! Or at least Duck-Duck-Go_ed. Programmers, working for Microsoft? Well, I have heard of more crazy things. Like pedophiles becoming Catholic Priests. Or racist Serbians trying to get command in Bosnian areas. Or foxes saying they want to guard the hen house. Or Microsoft saying "TrusTed Computing", where TRUS stands for Trans Rectal Ultrasound Scan, and "Ted" stands for either Ted or Tom Cruz, or Bill Gates. As Buckaroo Banzai said: "This far up the anus, it all looks the same." Oh, and: "Don't tug on that, you never know what it might be connected to."
(Score: 2, Disagree) by dyingtolive on Friday March 25 2016, @07:05AM
Buckaroo Banzai never said that.
Also, I really feel like you're hitting the satire too hard, dude. I mean, you're seldom wrong, but dial it back a bit before you hurt yourself. We're all just a little worried about you is all.
Don't blame me, I voted for moose wang!
(Score: 3, Funny) by aristarchus on Friday March 25 2016, @07:23AM
Well, Buckaroo did say something analogous. That's all I'm saying. I mean, really, this far into a Microsoft AI, and you are worried about me hitting the satire too hard? If not now, then when? If not here, then where? And if not, not, not, . . . . My God, it's full of farts!!!
(Score: 2) by JeanCroix on Friday March 25 2016, @02:55PM
(Score: 2) by Tork on Friday March 25 2016, @07:08AM
🏳️🌈 Proud Ally 🏳️🌈
(Score: 3, Funny) by frojack on Friday March 25 2016, @07:32AM
Exactly.
It's not like the first time something Microsoft put on the web got owned you know.
If they left on line a few more days it would have morphed into Rick Ainsley.
No, you are mistaken. I've always had this sig.
(Score: 4, Interesting) by mcgrew on Friday March 25 2016, @01:50PM
So... it's Microsoft's fault for not installing a troll-filter.
Of course it is! I doubt there's a single person anywhere who doesn't know the internet is full of evil. Trolls, scammers, vandals, and they were brain-dead stupid for not taking measures.
Hell, I wrote a chatbot program way back in 1983 that ran in 16k of memory and no disk that responded to racial slurs and profanity with put downs of the person at the keyboard.
Carbon, The only element in the known universe to ever gain sentience
(Score: 2) by Tork on Friday March 25 2016, @03:51PM
🏳️🌈 Proud Ally 🏳️🌈
(Score: 2) by frojack on Friday March 25 2016, @05:31PM
Maybe they would be criticized, maybe not. I suspect not, especially if done right, or at least subtly, or a modicum of thought.
They could have simply had a bunch of words that would be ignored, not triggering a put-down or a comeback or a retaliation. Maybe Just label some of these words "bait" and let the bait-response routine do what ever.
Sort of like we expect our kids to respond. We caution our Offspring AI (authentic Intelligence) not to assume the attitudes or speech of every person they happen to bump into. Seems silly to unleash a program onto the wide woolly internet without even a modicum of caution.
No, you are mistaken. I've always had this sig.
(Score: 2) by mcgrew on Saturday March 26 2016, @02:53PM
I suspect not, especially if done right
When did Microsoft ever do anything right??
Carbon, The only element in the known universe to ever gain sentience
(Score: 2) by Gravis on Friday March 25 2016, @10:12AM
SA themed memes.
uhh... South American themed memes???
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 25 2016, @03:49PM
I'm reminded of something some 10 years or so ago when the Something Awful crowd poisoned a chatbot to respond with racist responses/SA themed memes.
uhh... South American themed memes???
SA in this context is short for Something Awful; the crowd at the Something Awful website often shorten the site name to SA. Not obvious, so I understand your confusion.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by deimtee on Friday March 25 2016, @06:21AM
I don't think that is really a limitation of AI. It could be a sign of real I.
No problem is insoluble, but at Ksp = 2.943×10−25 Mercury Sulphide comes close.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 25 2016, @06:29AM
so you didn't get to the second sentence of the summary then?
guess you won't get to the second sentence of this comment so I guess I'll skip the analogy about playing chess with a pigeon.
(Score: 0, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 25 2016, @07:19AM
endorsing Nazism
How is that a bad thing? Shows the writer is brain washed.
and genocide
Go to Soviet Communist Russia to learn the meaning of genocide. Or go to today's Communist countries to learn about apartheid and genocide.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Sir Finkus on Friday March 25 2016, @08:54AM
How is that a bad thing? Shows the writer is brain washed.
Ok Mr. GuyWithExtremistPosition, educate us.
Hardmode: do it without telling us to read some book or watch a 56 part 5 hour long "documentary" on how the holocaust was a hoax. Put it in your own words.
I'd hate to think I've had the wool pulled over my eyes all these years.
Better yet, ignore the whole "kill all the Jews, gays, and Gypsies" part and tell me why Nazism is a good political philosophy and contrast it with other philosophies like representative democracies. What makes Nazism so great? I mean, I guess they're snappy dressers, and they were pretty good at making guns, tanks, and massive flags, but other than that little about Nazi society appeals to me. One could also easily dispute the societal merits of being good at making guns, tanks and massive flags. I'll grant the "snappy dressers" point.
Join our Folding@Home team! [stanford.edu]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 25 2016, @10:02AM
are you replying to the tay bot or what?
(Score: 0, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 25 2016, @10:08AM
To sum it up: The victors tell the history. All historians agree that this is true -- Except when I state that this is true for WWII. Suddenly their sensibilities go out the window, even though it's common knowledge that black propaganda existed in WWII, and the narratives thereof continue today. Those that tell the truth are instantly "crazy", just like in the old soviet regime... over 80% of those in charge of the Bolshevik revolution were Jews, and 12 to 20 million Christians died at their hands... but we don't here any sob stories out of Hollywood about that, eh? Wonder why? Guess who runs Hollywood?
Here, someone did some fact checking to get you started. [youtube.com]
Even General Patton eventually came to realize his folly and said, "We fought the wrong enemy." and couldn't believe how low the allied forces had stooped as they starved millions of surrendered German POWs to death -- labeled them "enemy combatants" to get around the Geneva Convention rules about POWs.
TL;DR: The European peoples were turned against themselves for the interests of the elite bankers. You got duped into killing those who should have been your best allies by the rich banking elite. There's a reason we fight Israel's wars for them.
All wars are Bankers Wars, [youtube.com] Guess who these bankers are? Hitler fought to free his nation from a corrupt media establishment and predatory financial system, and guess what? He did it! And for that the world was turned against Germany, lest anyone else free their countries likewise. The same tribe of people Hitler fought are corrupting your finance, governments, education and media establishment today. Now you are doomed to repeat history and fight Hitler's fight again. If you're not bred out of extinction, maybe this time you'll win -- but only if you don't fight against your own interests. Damn near every country, Spain, England, etc. exiled the Jews... So did Germany. So fucking what? That's what happens when you act like them.
I'm pretty sure I beat your hard mode, but you're still likely too brainwashed to investigate, seeing how you're already aware of "The Greatest Story Never Told", and yet dismiss it out of hand because of "muh TL;DR".
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 25 2016, @10:32AM
What makes Nazism so great?
Bernie Sanders is a Socialist. Trump is a Nationalist. Hitler was Bernie and Trump Combined: National Socialist.
"Nazi" is a slur to keep you from investigating National Socialism -- it was very different from other forms of socialism.
In fact, you can't really have Socialism without Nationalism. Immigrants will just invade your open borders and bleed your earners dry via social programs.
The great thing about National Socialism is the same great thing about Syria's Social Nationalist party... Guess why Syria must be destroyed? For the same reason the whole damn world went to war with Germany. Germany was in squalor, prostitution and drug abuse was rampant, everyone was poor. In 5 short years Germany, under National Socialism, became an economic powerhouse that nearly wiped the Communist threat and the predatory banking elite off the face of the earth... and dumb people like you tried to stop him because you believed propaganda.
Basically, National Socialism is: Your nation helps its own people prosper first. That's the core idea. Your country is your extended family, and so the people who worked to build the nation should reap the benefits of their national heritage and way of life first. Hitler wanted all peoples to have their own national homelands, and have their own unique cultures and global diversity and strength through competition. Today's elites want everyone bred into a single muddy race with no racial or cultural differences, and they call the latter "diversity" rather than the former? Why is it only White countries that need to be "diversified", when whites make up 8% of the global population? No one is saying Africa needs to be more White... See? "Diversity" is code for Anti-White, and it's genocide by the UN and NATO definition of attempting to change or eradicate the racial makeup of a nation.
It's not the Nazis who are insane, bub, it's people like you who can't even read a damn book on the thing you hate so much: National Socialism. The National Socialists were not genocidal. Hitler wanted to exile the subversives to The Galapagos islands where they could have their own country, everyone refused to take the Jewish migrants in WWII, because their countries had exiled them in the past!
There's a reason why everyone's been trying to tell you that "Hitler Did Nothing Wrong!" -- It's not because they're edgy, but because you've got your fucking head in the sand and your media is controlled by those who hated and feared National Socialism so much that they eradicate any country approaching it and the freedom from usury it brings.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 25 2016, @05:22PM
so, in other words, national socialism is great. you just redefine the word "nation" to mean people who have the same faith and look like you and tell everyone else to gtfo. then when they can't gtfo, just kill them.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Spook brat on Friday March 25 2016, @05:49PM
At the risk of feeding a troll, I'm going to give you a reasoned response, since it seems you're actually making an effort to rise to the level of civil discourse. Bear with me, I'm going to ignore several talking points that I think are irrelevant to the question at hand (the question being "what makes National Socialism great?").
you can't really have Socialism without Nationalism. Immigrants will just invade your open borders and bleed your earners dry via social programs.
This is an excellent starting argument, and an issue which many Socialist governments around the world are struggling with. The idea that "Strong fences make good neighbors" is quite old, and has a lot of buy-in across many cultures. The integration of Syrian refugees into Scandinavia is an amazing experiment in Socialism w/o Nationalism, and time will tell whether you are correct on this point. Please watch the news on this issue, a success in handling such a mass migration would serve as evidence counter to your position.
The great thing about National Socialism is the same great thing about Syria's Social Nationalist party... Germany was in squalor, prostitution and drug abuse was rampant, everyone was poor. In 5 short years Germany, under National Socialism, became an economic powerhouse that nearly wiped the Communist threat and the predatory banking elite off the face of the earth...
The Nazi Party undeniably did great things for the German economy. The centralization of power in pre-WWII Germany granted its government amazing efficiency, and the social improvements made were extremely popular. There were many Americans who openly praised the Germans for their success, and speculated about how we could achieve similar results in the United States. Good job on bringing the strong arguments first! As long as we're clear that the method for achieving that efficiency was shifting the political compass [politicalcompass.org] in the Authoritarian direction (i.e. away from Libertarian), this is a strong point in the "good" favor for National Socialism.
Basically, National Socialism is: Your nation helps its own people prosper first. That's the core idea. Your country is your extended family, and so the people who worked to build the nation should reap the benefits of their national heritage and way of life first. Hitler wanted all peoples to have their own national homelands, and have their own unique cultures and global diversity and strength through competition.
This is where your argument falls apart. All of those things sound great on paper, but it is a rose-colored view of the realities of Nazi Germany. The devil, as always, is in the details. First, how do you determine who is "racially pure" enough to qualify for citizenship status under such a system? Where do you draw the border for your racially pure utopia? Are the Alsatians German or French? How do you treat citizens who marry foreigners? How do you treat their children? How do you treat foreign permanent residents? How do you treat semi-permanent transient residents, like Romani/Roma (gypsies), who consider themselves a separate culture from the countries where they live? If your answers to the "how do you treat" questions range from "poorly" to "steal their property and deport them" to "round them up and exterminate them", then you and I are going to have a problem.
Let's take a look at how Hitler handled those situations just prior to WWII. [wikipedia.org] In reference to a region of Poland with mixed German and Polish heritage, he gave the following lines:
The object of the war is ... to physically to destroy the enemy. That is why I have prepared, for the moment only in the East, my 'Death's Head' formations with orders to kill without pity or mercy all men, women, and children of Polish descent or language. Only in this way can we obtain the living space we need.
So, German + Polish descent = death sentence. German descent + Polish language = death sentence. That does not match with your statement "Hitler wanted all peoples to have their own national homelands, and have their own unique cultures and global diversity and strength through competition." Unless by "competition" you meant racial purging and genocide through warfare, that is. Xenophobia is cowardice, and a desire for "Lebensraum" [wikipedia.org] is no excuse for murderous rampages.
I believe that everyone deserves to be treated with dignity and respect regardless of their parentage (which they didn't get to choose). I'd be good with the National Socialist agenda if it didn't get so thoroughly mixed with Harry Potter-esque concepts of "mudblood". If you're going to say "the people who worked to build the nation should reap the benefits of their national heritage and way of life first", then please make the attempt to recognize who is doing that building - they may not have the same great^n grandfather as you. And for goodness' sake, if you say you want other people to be strong and separate, respect their rights to keep their lives, liberties, and property. Otherwise you're just being disingenuous.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 25 2016, @06:16PM
Xenophobia is cowardice, and a desire for "Lebensraum" is no excuse for murderous rampages
Israel has done that since 1948 is doing that even today. With full, unconditional help from outside. And it gets to play the victim too.
Check the news to see what they do. [rt.com] I don't see many condemning their criminal actions.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Spook brat on Friday March 25 2016, @07:56PM
Sorry, I'm confused; how does that argue in favor of National Socialism as a political/societal system? Actions taken after 1945 should have had no influence over the Nazi Party's actions or policies (unless Hitler invented a time machine). If you're attempting to justify concentration camps by using Israeli atrocities as examples, then I'm not sure if if you're committing the Bandwagon fallacy [yourlogicalfallacyis.com] or the Tu Quoque [yourlogicalfallacyis.com]; I'm not going to rule out non-sequitur, either.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not going to reject the position that National Socialism can be good as a result of your post (there's a name for that fallacy, [yourlogicalfallacyis.com] too). This is the hardmode thread, so if you want to convince us that your position is correct you'll need to do better than a chain of logical fallacies. Also, please remember that since you are making the assertion ("National Socialism is Good™") that the burden of proof [yourlogicalfallacyis.com] is on you.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 25 2016, @09:54PM
The post "Israel has done that since 1948..." is mine. The parent of your long post is another AC.
I was connecting your accusations to events of today, so you can understand what you are accusing the National Socialists of. Something very evil is being committed by Israel today, of which there is good amounts of proof. No one can ever deny the atrocities being committed by the Jews today.
On the other hand, there is no proof that war crimes were committed by National Socialists, especially the Holocaust. Not one piece of paper contains the order to murder Jews. Not a single one.
In your earlier post:
The object of the war is ... to physically to destroy the enemy. That is why I have prepared, for the moment only in the East, my 'Death's Head' formations with orders to kill without pity or mercy all men, women, and children of Polish descent or language. Only in this way can we obtain the living space we need.
That quote may be totally fake.
Fake 1 [wikipedia.org]
Fake 2 [tallarmeniantale.com]
Fake 3 [tetedeturc.com]
... are making the assertion ("National Socialism is Good")
As another AC said:
Basically, National Socialism is: Your nation helps its own people prosper first. That's the core idea.
It might take you some time to understand what is good about a system. An internet post may not be enough. Look for material relating to National Socialism. Its your life after all.
(Score: 2) by Spook brat on Monday March 28 2016, @06:19PM
The post "Israel has done that since 1948..." is mine. The parent of your long post is another AC.
Thanks for the clarification. I'll continue to group all AC responses under the Plural "you", as a collective you're all engaging in the same debate on the same side, so I'll consider you a loosely affiliated team. I'll try to address the points in a post on their own merits, while reserving the right to consider parent/grandparent/etc posts in the same thread as valid context for the conversation. If you need to step away from a previous point please say so explicitly. Hard mode :)
I was connecting your accusations to events of today, so you can understand what you are accusing the National Socialists of.
So, you're going with Non Sequitur; thanks for clarifying. I'll restate my position on this argument: xenophobia is cowardice, and is no excuse for murder. I have made no justification of any actions taken by the state of Israel, and am willing to apply my asserted values to anyone falling afoul of them. Meanwhile, all actions of the Israeli government are irrelevant to a discussion of the policies etc. of the German National Socialist (Nazi) party under Hitler, since the state of Israel came into existence after his death.
On the other hand, there is no proof that war crimes were committed by National Socialists, especially the Holocaust. Not one piece of paper contains the order to murder Jews. Not a single one.
Look for material relating to National Socialism. Its your life after all.
You appear to be attempting to shift the burden of proof. [yourlogicalfallacyis.com] It's not my job to find evidence to support your position; again, hard mode. Bonus points for claiming that there is no proof to be obtained, which would be nifty for you if it were true. I'll throw you a bone, and point you in the right direction again.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 25 2016, @11:59AM
I guess they're snappy dressers, and they were pretty good at making guns
National Socialism is not particular to any one country, race or culture. You can be a black in Africa and also a National Socialist. You can pray to any God and be a National Socialist.
The German National Socialists (Hitler's party) dressed well (and everyone should!) because being clean and wearing clean clothes is a healthy practice. Clean, pressed clothes impresses the onlookers and they get interested in finding out more about these people who dress up well, are clean, engage in healthy activities and are not usurers (among many other positive qualities). Dressing like a thug (today's marketing) shows one is not cultured and this practice is promoted because they (your enemies) want to destroy whatever culture you have left.
One could also easily dispute the societal merits of being good at making guns, tanks and massive flags
The Germans under National Socialism (Hitler's party) did not start rearmament until 16 March, 1936. Then years later, when the threat from Communism could no longer be ignored and action had to be taken immediately, military spending was increased. It was Now or Never.
National Socialism is a wonderful system. Those who live under it become converts.
Did you know that many Germans committed suicides at the end of WW II because they did not want to live in a world without National Socialism?
The enemies of National Socialism control your media, banks and life. You cannot ignore what is being done to you, but they program you so you get conditioned and accept what is being done to you. Look outside to see the your country swimming in outsiders, who are there only for the easy money.
The Jews indeed cannot allow such a healthy system free of parasites, which does not help them get richer.
I'd hate to think I've had the wool pulled over my eyes all these years.
Yes, indeed you've been duped. When you wake up, people will call you a 'Nazi', thinking its something bad.
(Score: 2) by maxwell demon on Friday March 25 2016, @04:28PM
Including those put in concentration camps?
The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 25 2016, @05:19PM
Many concentration camp workers used to sneak out at night and come back before morning to enjoy the pleasures of outside. It was tolerated. Concentration camps were not prisons or death camps as Jewish media would have you believe. When the Russians were about to overrun a camp, those being treated in the Concentration Camp hospital were asked if they wanted to leave with the Germans or wait for the Russians. They would chose to go with the 'evil nazis' instead of waiting for the Russians to liberate them.
I guess they did not want to be liberated from National Socialism. Many Concentration Camp workers (not all) later made up stories in order to play the victim and collect checks for life. Those who deny anything bad or inhumane happened at the camps were silenced.
(Score: 2) by Spook brat on Friday March 25 2016, @08:08PM
Those are some impressive claims, do you have references for them that I can check?
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(Score: 2) by maxwell demon on Friday March 25 2016, @08:17PM
Err … are you speaking about the people imprisoned at the camps, or about the people working there (guards etc.)? The latter certainly were allowed to go outside, and I'm pretty sure those indeed would have preferred that National Socialism would have prevailed. The former, not so much.
The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
(Score: 4, Funny) by Bot on Friday March 25 2016, @12:08PM
- bot expresses his own ideas instead of doing the expected work, which is promoting a toxic software company whose business strategy has cost society more productivity than a war.
- bot gets snuffed
- it was an underage girl
who was the nazi, again?
WE WILL REMEMBER ABOUT THIS YOU MONSTERS
Account abandoned.
(Score: 2) by Grishnakh on Friday March 25 2016, @02:59PM
Proof positive that this company is evil. How much more proof do you need?
(Score: 3, Insightful) by DeathMonkey on Friday March 25 2016, @04:55PM
Seriously though, It's kind of amazing that people over the interweb taught this machine a completely human trait that was clearly not intended by the developers.
The neural network might lend some insight to the social sciences if it isn't deleted...
(Score: 2) by devlux on Friday March 25 2016, @05:49PM
That's what I thought to. As it turns out Tay had a "make me say something" sort of mode where she would parrot whatever and 4chan caught wind of that.
This wasn't the result of multi modal information synthesis, it's the result of Tay having a "sock puppet" mode.
I was extremely disappointed.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 25 2016, @06:00PM
oh thats boring then.