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posted by takyon on Friday March 25 2016, @05:04AM   Printer-friendly
from the truth-is-online dept.

Microsoft's new AI Twitter bot @tayandyou was shut down after only 24 hours after it began making "offensive" tweets.

The bot was built "by mining relevant public data and by using AI and editorial developed by a staff including improvisational comedians," and designed to target 18-24 year olds.

Shortly after the bot went live, it began making offensive tweets endorsing Nazism and genocide, among other things.

As of this submission, the bot has been shut down, and all but 3 tweets deleted.

The important question is whether or not it succeeded in passing the Turing test.

takyon: This bot sure woke fast, and produced much more logical sentence structures than @DeepDrumpf.


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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Spook brat on Friday March 25 2016, @05:49PM

    by Spook brat (775) on Friday March 25 2016, @05:49PM (#322996) Journal

    At the risk of feeding a troll, I'm going to give you a reasoned response, since it seems you're actually making an effort to rise to the level of civil discourse. Bear with me, I'm going to ignore several talking points that I think are irrelevant to the question at hand (the question being "what makes National Socialism great?").

    you can't really have Socialism without Nationalism. Immigrants will just invade your open borders and bleed your earners dry via social programs.

    This is an excellent starting argument, and an issue which many Socialist governments around the world are struggling with. The idea that "Strong fences make good neighbors" is quite old, and has a lot of buy-in across many cultures. The integration of Syrian refugees into Scandinavia is an amazing experiment in Socialism w/o Nationalism, and time will tell whether you are correct on this point. Please watch the news on this issue, a success in handling such a mass migration would serve as evidence counter to your position.

    The great thing about National Socialism is the same great thing about Syria's Social Nationalist party... Germany was in squalor, prostitution and drug abuse was rampant, everyone was poor. In 5 short years Germany, under National Socialism, became an economic powerhouse that nearly wiped the Communist threat and the predatory banking elite off the face of the earth...

    The Nazi Party undeniably did great things for the German economy. The centralization of power in pre-WWII Germany granted its government amazing efficiency, and the social improvements made were extremely popular. There were many Americans who openly praised the Germans for their success, and speculated about how we could achieve similar results in the United States. Good job on bringing the strong arguments first! As long as we're clear that the method for achieving that efficiency was shifting the political compass [politicalcompass.org] in the Authoritarian direction (i.e. away from Libertarian), this is a strong point in the "good" favor for National Socialism.

    Basically, National Socialism is: Your nation helps its own people prosper first. That's the core idea. Your country is your extended family, and so the people who worked to build the nation should reap the benefits of their national heritage and way of life first. Hitler wanted all peoples to have their own national homelands, and have their own unique cultures and global diversity and strength through competition.

    This is where your argument falls apart. All of those things sound great on paper, but it is a rose-colored view of the realities of Nazi Germany. The devil, as always, is in the details. First, how do you determine who is "racially pure" enough to qualify for citizenship status under such a system? Where do you draw the border for your racially pure utopia? Are the Alsatians German or French? How do you treat citizens who marry foreigners? How do you treat their children? How do you treat foreign permanent residents? How do you treat semi-permanent transient residents, like Romani/Roma (gypsies), who consider themselves a separate culture from the countries where they live? If your answers to the "how do you treat" questions range from "poorly" to "steal their property and deport them" to "round them up and exterminate them", then you and I are going to have a problem.

    Let's take a look at how Hitler handled those situations just prior to WWII. [wikipedia.org] In reference to a region of Poland with mixed German and Polish heritage, he gave the following lines:

    The object of the war is ... to physically to destroy the enemy. That is why I have prepared, for the moment only in the East, my 'Death's Head' formations with orders to kill without pity or mercy all men, women, and children of Polish descent or language. Only in this way can we obtain the living space we need.

    So, German + Polish descent = death sentence. German descent + Polish language = death sentence. That does not match with your statement "Hitler wanted all peoples to have their own national homelands, and have their own unique cultures and global diversity and strength through competition." Unless by "competition" you meant racial purging and genocide through warfare, that is. Xenophobia is cowardice, and a desire for "Lebensraum" [wikipedia.org] is no excuse for murderous rampages.

    I believe that everyone deserves to be treated with dignity and respect regardless of their parentage (which they didn't get to choose). I'd be good with the National Socialist agenda if it didn't get so thoroughly mixed with Harry Potter-esque concepts of "mudblood". If you're going to say "the people who worked to build the nation should reap the benefits of their national heritage and way of life first", then please make the attempt to recognize who is doing that building - they may not have the same great^n grandfather as you. And for goodness' sake, if you say you want other people to be strong and separate, respect their rights to keep their lives, liberties, and property. Otherwise you're just being disingenuous.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 25 2016, @06:16PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 25 2016, @06:16PM (#323014)

    Xenophobia is cowardice, and a desire for "Lebensraum" is no excuse for murderous rampages

    Israel has done that since 1948 is doing that even today. With full, unconditional help from outside. And it gets to play the victim too.

    Check the news to see what they do. [rt.com] I don't see many condemning their criminal actions.

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Spook brat on Friday March 25 2016, @07:56PM

      by Spook brat (775) on Friday March 25 2016, @07:56PM (#323058) Journal

      Sorry, I'm confused; how does that argue in favor of National Socialism as a political/societal system? Actions taken after 1945 should have had no influence over the Nazi Party's actions or policies (unless Hitler invented a time machine). If you're attempting to justify concentration camps by using Israeli atrocities as examples, then I'm not sure if if you're committing the Bandwagon fallacy [yourlogicalfallacyis.com] or the Tu Quoque [yourlogicalfallacyis.com]; I'm not going to rule out non-sequitur, either.

      Don't get me wrong, I'm not going to reject the position that National Socialism can be good as a result of your post (there's a name for that fallacy, [yourlogicalfallacyis.com] too). This is the hardmode thread, so if you want to convince us that your position is correct you'll need to do better than a chain of logical fallacies. Also, please remember that since you are making the assertion ("National Socialism is Good™") that the burden of proof [yourlogicalfallacyis.com] is on you.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 25 2016, @09:54PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 25 2016, @09:54PM (#323098)

        The post "Israel has done that since 1948..." is mine. The parent of your long post is another AC.

        I was connecting your accusations to events of today, so you can understand what you are accusing the National Socialists of. Something very evil is being committed by Israel today, of which there is good amounts of proof. No one can ever deny the atrocities being committed by the Jews today.

        On the other hand, there is no proof that war crimes were committed by National Socialists, especially the Holocaust. Not one piece of paper contains the order to murder Jews. Not a single one.

        In your earlier post:

        The object of the war is ... to physically to destroy the enemy. That is why I have prepared, for the moment only in the East, my 'Death's Head' formations with orders to kill without pity or mercy all men, women, and children of Polish descent or language. Only in this way can we obtain the living space we need.

        That quote may be totally fake.
        Fake 1 [wikipedia.org]
        Fake 2 [tallarmeniantale.com]
        Fake 3 [tetedeturc.com]

        ... are making the assertion ("National Socialism is Good")

        As another AC said:

        Basically, National Socialism is: Your nation helps its own people prosper first. That's the core idea.

        It might take you some time to understand what is good about a system. An internet post may not be enough. Look for material relating to National Socialism. Its your life after all.

        • (Score: 2) by Spook brat on Monday March 28 2016, @06:19PM

          by Spook brat (775) on Monday March 28 2016, @06:19PM (#324018) Journal

          The post "Israel has done that since 1948..." is mine. The parent of your long post is another AC.

          Thanks for the clarification. I'll continue to group all AC responses under the Plural "you", as a collective you're all engaging in the same debate on the same side, so I'll consider you a loosely affiliated team. I'll try to address the points in a post on their own merits, while reserving the right to consider parent/grandparent/etc posts in the same thread as valid context for the conversation. If you need to step away from a previous point please say so explicitly. Hard mode :)

          I was connecting your accusations to events of today, so you can understand what you are accusing the National Socialists of.

          So, you're going with Non Sequitur; thanks for clarifying. I'll restate my position on this argument: xenophobia is cowardice, and is no excuse for murder. I have made no justification of any actions taken by the state of Israel, and am willing to apply my asserted values to anyone falling afoul of them. Meanwhile, all actions of the Israeli government are irrelevant to a discussion of the policies etc. of the German National Socialist (Nazi) party under Hitler, since the state of Israel came into existence after his death.

          On the other hand, there is no proof that war crimes were committed by National Socialists, especially the Holocaust. Not one piece of paper contains the order to murder Jews. Not a single one.

          Look for material relating to National Socialism. Its your life after all.

          You appear to be attempting to shift the burden of proof. [yourlogicalfallacyis.com] It's not my job to find evidence to support your position; again, hard mode. Bonus points for claiming that there is no proof to be obtained, which would be nifty for you if it were true. I'll throw you a bone, and point you in the right direction again.

          • "Not one piece of paper contains the order to murder Jews."
            The Nuremberg trials [wikipedia.org] came to a different conclusion, after reviewing the evidence at hand. This included eyewitness testimony of people claiming to be ordered to commit murders, and defense statements admitting to the murders as points of fact. Since these are the facts generally accepted by the world at large, your claim that there is no evidence is specious. The burden is on you to explain why you believe no murders occurred when Nuremberg defendants (e.g. Otto Ohlendorf and Abraham Sutzkever) testified under oath that they themselves committed or ordered to commit such murders. If you are hanging the truth of your statements on the point of written orders you are again either dissembling [dictionary.com] or incredibly self-deceived.
             
            As an aside, if you'd like to argue about the legitimacy of the Nuremberg proceedings please address that as a separate topic. I'm referring to them here only as a point of reference for historical evidence, of which you claimed there was none.
          • "That quote may be totally fake."
            Whether the quote is fake or not, it accurately describes the actions of Hitler's army over the next few weeks. For the sake of clarity, are you asserting that because the statement I quoted cannot be conclusively attributed to Hitler that the Invasion of Poland [wikipedia.org] did not occur? The modern Poland-Germany border suggests otherwise.
          • ". . . so you can understand what you are accusing the National Socialists of. . ."
            Please re-read my previous posts. What I accused the National Socialists of was mistreating outsiders; specifically French/German Alsatians, Polish/German Poles, and Gypsies. By asserting that no orders were given to murder Jews you completely missed the point of the argument and failed to support your position in a meaningful way. Don't worry, because we're playing hard mode I don't get to play games either; making an invalid argument does not make your assertion incorrect. [yourlogicalfallacyis.com] You get all the chances you want to make a valid argument, I'll wait.
             
            Let's also be clear about what I'm accusing the National Socialists of. They committed many well-documented atrocities [wikipedia.org] against outsiders under the guise of doing what's best for the insiders. The logic seemed to go "we should do good things for Racially Pure Germans; therefore, conversely, we should do bad things to people who are not Racially Pure Germans". Note that being born with a defect, such as mental or physical disability, was evidence of being "not Racially Pure" and therefore subject to infanticide at birth or extermination as an adult, [wikipedia.org] regardless of genealogy. This goes far beyond "Your nation helps its own people prosper first" as a value; however, it is a natural conclusion of stepping on that path as a society. The scary thing isn't that so many disabled people died, it's that it makes sense in the context of National Socialism, and was both effective and efficient as a method for improving the national economy and quality of life for the able-bodied Racially Pure. Xenophobia appears to be a necessary ingredient for National Socialism, and a direct cause of the perceived evils of the Nazi regime. Since you appear to be struggling, I'll suggest that your counter-argument should be to somehow show that I'm committing a False Cause fallacy, [yourlogicalfallacyis.com] and demonstrating that either (a) Xenophobia is not necessary for National Socialism, or (b) that a Xenophobic National Socialist government will not necessarily persecute outsiders. Good luck!