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Honda revealed the new Clarity Fuel Cell at last year's Tokyo Motor Show and began sales in Japan on March 10, delivering the very first one to the Japanese Ministry of Economy, Trade and Industry later that month. It plans to launch the model in select UK, Denmark and California markets later this year. The car's 174-hp motor is capable of pushing it up to around 466 miles (750 km) on the Japanese JC08 drive cycle (estimated 300-mile+ US EPA rating) per hydrogen fill-up thanks to its new power-dense fuel cell stack. Refueling takes three to five minutes, according to Honda.
While intriguing from a technological standpoint, fuel cell cars are still a young technology with lack of an accompanying hydrogen fueling infrastructure, so they're not exactly a large-volume cash cow for auto manufacturers. To give the Clarity more legs, Honda will launch the electric and plug-in hybrid versions in the US in 2017. The expansion will also give Honda more flexibility in responding to any changes in the market or infrastructure, the automaker explains.
Honda has had EV versions of some of its models for a few years now, but they haven't been widely available. "Select markets" makes it sound like that's not going to change with these models.
(Score: 1) by JBanister on Sunday April 24 2016, @02:31AM
People keep asking, "What's that solar going to do for you when the sun goes down?" Hydrogen is an easy answer. Yes, overcoming the bonding energy in water is inefficient at low temperatures unless you're gardening biohydrogen, but once I own the extra capacity to compensate, I'm done. The process is very easy to put into effect. I like those sunflower shaped catalytic hydrogen generators they built at Sandia. The same fuel cell stack that drives my car can light my house, and I seldom need to buy energy from anyone at all. Hydrogen fuel cells are an ideal companion for decentralized independent power. Market them as part of a personal system of total energy independence and FCVs will sell like guns.
(Score: 1) by tftp on Sunday April 24 2016, @04:02AM
People keep asking, "What's that solar going to do for you when the sun goes down?" Hydrogen is an easy answer.
Well, Tesla's Powerwall [wikipedia.org] is even an easier answer. The H(2) equivalent has to be at least as good as the battery.
Note that not all people are intent on "gardening" their own energy, just as not too many people bother to grow their own vegetables or keep chickens. We were like that a few thousand years ago, but then came specialization, and efficiency of our labor increased. Personally, I cannot afford keeping a house. I can afford to buy a house, just as many can, but I have neither the time nor the desire to fix pipes, roof, floor, walls, cables, and everything else that inevitably fails. Right now I'm paying for convenience - and efficiency - of having it done for me. Same with energy - some people may choose to have a solar panel (especially if it is free or affordable,) or an H(2) generator, but many other will instead elect to pay for what they need, because they are themselves paid handsomely for what they provide to others. This will become even more apparent with the shift to arcologies - which is already underway under the name "urbanization." Energy collection devices in collectively owned buildings will have to be also collectively owned; and if you rent someone else's building, then you have no say at all what solar collectors are used, if any.
(Score: 1) by JBanister on Monday April 25 2016, @12:43AM
The 3.3kw, 6.4kwh powerwall is even easier, so long as your needs are within those bounds. At 746 watts per horsepower, a 3.3 kw battery provides the same output as a 4.4 hp generator. It's my consideration that a vehicle fuel cell stack would probably be capable of a somewhat larger output. While initial powerwalls are one per customer, (and Tesla discontinued the larger ones) you could make non-Tesla battery arrangements if lots of batteries are of interest to you. You might consider using the much larger output of the batteries in a Tesla vehicle, but the problem is, they can't be charging at home and used for your driving at the same time. There is a little bit of advantage for fuel cells in that the fuel is separate from the cell. I do agree with you that the "just pay for it" mindset of people who prefer to live urban differs from that of people who want personal energy independence, and my description of a fuel cell vehicle as part of a personal energy independence arrangement wouldn't apply to them. While urban people make up by far the largest percentage of the population, FCVs are few enough now that I think benefit could currently be gained from marketing them to less urban consumers.
(Score: 1) by tftp on Monday April 25 2016, @01:10AM
FCVs are few enough now that I think benefit could currently be gained from marketing them to less urban consumers.
As it stands, the industry has barely moved on building H(2) fueling stations in cities - where they can depend upon reliable supply of large volume, large wallet customers from public transit, for example. There is snowball's chance in hell that any H(2) station ever shows up in rural areas. I understand that a *true* energy-independent customer does not need a filling station... but I don't think anyone will buy a car that is only chargeable at home, and only when all the conditions are right. But... hurricanes and tornadoes happen, fires, floods, whatever. What then, if you cannot travel a reasonable distance (say, 10-20 miles) to the nearest H(2) filling station? Your FCEV is a brick now, when you need it most. A vehicle must be driveable not just around your house, but also across the country. So far only the ICE (gas, diesel) supports that. Tesla's superchargers *may* provide a route or two if you are extremely meticulous with charging and drive like a church lady.
Indeed, some rural people are interested in energy independence... but in part it is driven by the poor service. There are lots even nearby, a mile away from a densely populated area, that have no electric power. Admittedly, they are a few hundred feet up the hill, but if you want energy there, you have to pay the utility to lay the cable for you, or install the poles. At that cost the idea of a windmill or a solar panel with batteries does not look outlandish anymore. When I owned a house I had 6 kW of grid-tied solar panels there, and it was pretty nice, as I was not paying for energy. But today, if I were to relive that experience, I would rather pay the man. Solar still costs too much, compared to what it saves.