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Some of the biggest pro-Bernie Sanders groups on Facebook were briefly taken down Monday evening in a targeted attack by Hillary Clinton supporters.
The groups Bernie Sanders Activists, Bernie Believers, BERNIE OR BUST, Bernie Sanders Revolutionaries, Bay Area for Bernie, Bernie Sanders 2016 — Ideas Welcome, Bernie Sanders is my HERO, and Bernie Sanders for President 2016 were all taken down in the attack. The pages in question were reported to be down for about three hours, from 9 p.m. to midnight Monday night.
Collectively, these groups are home to more than a quarter million Bernie Sanders supporters, and some have been in existence for nearly a year, having been launched shortly after the Vermont senator declared his intent to run for president in 2015.
The groups were targeted by online trolls, who posted pornographic images and reported the groups to Facebook admins.
(Score: 5, Interesting) by Grishnakh on Wednesday April 27 2016, @02:24PM
Exactly right. This shit with Hillary has gotten so bad that, as a Bernie supporter, not only have I resolved to vote for Trump over her, I'm seriously thinking about even voting for religious nutbag Cruz over her. There is just no way I can vote for this horrible woman.
(Score: 4, Informative) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday April 27 2016, @02:44PM
I know how you feel, but can I make a better (IMO better) suggestion? Vote Gary Johnson (Libertarian). If he's not on your ballot, write him in. Doesn't matter if you like, or even respect Libertarians, and/or the Libertarian party. What's important is to bet Johnson a large enough segment of the vote to rattle cages in Washington. That, and to get the Libertarian party federal funds for their campaigns.
Hell, if Communists had a shot at upsetting the current status quo, I'd vote for them!
https://www.lp.org/candidates/presidential-candidates-2016 [lp.org]
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 27 2016, @04:52PM
Yes, to the Runaway you listen. I'm a Sanders supporter. I will vote for Trump if he's on my ballot in November. Hell, if some independent Trump/Sanders ticket gets started up, I could support that, and it will definitely get my vote.
However, my fallback is to do as usual and vote Libertarian for president. Voting for the Libertarian candidate may not sit well with everyone. Don't forget about Jill Stein [wikipedia.org] of the Green party. Bonus points if one votes Stein, because one gets to say, "Hey, I voted to unlock the female head of state achievement!" without needing to vote for a lizard person like Clinton.
Both she and Johnson started a combined initiative last year to get "third" parties into the presidential debates. Johnson reached out to Libertarians like me, and Stein reached out to Greens. It's criminal the way that the Libertarian and Green parties get systematically shut out of the democratic process. Every election year, they need to gather enough signatures in each state to get Johnson and Stein on the ballot. (Well, not just Johnson, but Harry Brown and Bob Barr as well for the Libertarians but the Greens are pretty consistent about Jill Stein.) Sometimes the lizard people party (R+D) successfully prevents one or the other from being on the November ballot in this state or that state, so that means that even voting a straight Green or Libertarian ticket will not give Johnson or Stein a vote. Even if they get on the ballot, the lizard person media always pretends they don't exist.
I think the only exception I've ever seen from the lizard person media was in 2012 when both Colbert and O'Reilly gave a nod to Johnson. But then again, I was really only watching comedy news then, and Colbert is the only person I can still watch (even then just in small doses) now that the Daily Show and John Oliver have gone full SJW retard.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 27 2016, @09:55PM
If she's not near the 5 percent I am voting Barr '16 because I voted Stein in '12.
I don't care as much who gets the 5 percent, but the current Libertarians strike me as too Republican rather than Libertarian, and without multiple 5 percenter parties it will just continue being an oligopoly thanks to the wealth at the top.
(Score: 2) by Ellis D. Tripp on Thursday April 28 2016, @12:53AM
I never understood how he ever ended up on a Libertarian Party ticket in the first place. This is the same guy who trued to outlaw the practice of neo-pagan religions (Wicca in particular) on US military bases. And he was a rabid "reefer madness" type as far as the War on Drugs, only coming around to some semblance of sanity on medical marijuana when he decided to run for president...
"Society is like stew. If you don't keep it stirred up, you end up with a lot of scum on the top!"--Edward Abbey
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 27 2016, @10:55PM
What's important is to bet Johnson a large enough segment
So, a larger Johnson? With Runaway, it's always about . . . . . etc., etc..
(Score: 1) by Francis on Thursday April 28 2016, @12:23AM
Gary Johnson is a huge step up from the GOP candidates. But, I think that Jill Stein is more in keeping with Bernie's platform.
That being said, I'd probably vote for Johnson over Stein if the Trump backers defect to Johnson if Trump isn't nominated. For the most part Johnson is likely to be far better for the country than anybody that the GOP is going to put forward.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by sjwt on Wednesday April 27 2016, @02:45PM
I said that about a month ago, Clinton is going to drive Supporters to Trump over her.
If Trump is elected it will be because of her actions.
(Score: 1) by Francis on Thursday April 28 2016, @12:28AM
That's impossible, you know all of us Bernie supporters are required to vote Democratic in the GE, it's not like we have free will and an enough intelligence to see that we're going to be screwed by her.
It's almost as if they can't comprehend the idea that they're not actually entitled to our votes and that they'll have to actually earn them. I appreciate that Bernie isn't promising to deliver the vote unconditionally. He's sharp enough to realize that whether or not he endorses Hillary that we won't go along with that unless there's something in it for us. Hillary was able to do that in 2008 in large part because Obama was pushing a lot of the same ideas and wound up outdoing her on many things.
It also wound up biting them on the ass in the midterms and then again in 2012 when the enthusiastic voters that swept them into office realized that they'd been screwed and didn't bother to show up and support their own being screwing. That's the modern Democratic party for you, if you're lucky they'll promise to do the right thing, but more and more often they can't even be bothered to promise.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Ellis D. Tripp on Wednesday April 27 2016, @03:16PM
Her positions are pretty compatible with Bernie's across the board, and there is even talk of Bernie joining her on the Green Party ticket for the general election assuming Shillary takes the Democratic nomination....
http://www.jill2016.com [jill2016.com]
"Society is like stew. If you don't keep it stirred up, you end up with a lot of scum on the top!"--Edward Abbey
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday April 27 2016, @04:17PM
Ellis, I have nothing against Stein. But, it is often claimed that if you vote for anyone outside the two parties, you have "wasted your vote". Well - there is some merit to that claim.
However, in the case of the Libertarian party, they have been inching closer and closer to that magic percentage point, at which they will recieve federal funds for their campaigns. So, if we could convince 5% of voters to vote for Johnson (or any other Libertarian candidates), then that part would become a contender on the national scene.
The Green party has a lot of good things to be said about it, but they aren't anywhere near the threshold for federal campaign funds.
My intent is to put just about ANY third party alternative into the public view, and at this point in time, Libertarian has the best shot at it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matching_funds#In_politics [wikipedia.org]
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 2) by Gaaark on Wednesday April 27 2016, @04:57PM
The Green party in Canada has been seeing its numbers go up the last few elections:
Then the 'We have to get rid of Harper' election came and its numbers went down because of people voting Liberal to make sure Harper left.
here's hoping that those numbers will go up again in the next election here.
We have, basically, a 3 party system here, but it would be nice to see a fourth... and proper representation of our votes! (VOTE REFORM AND NO TPP MR. TRUDEAU!!!)
And if i was American, i think i'd vote for Mr. Hankey the Christmas Poo (or Trump) before i'd vote for Hillary... i trust her as far as i could throw Trump!
Mr. Hankey, the Christmas Poo: i'd vote for him before i'd vote for you....Hillary.....
(was that off-key?)
--- Please remind me if I haven't been civil to you: I'm channeling MDC. ---Gaaark 2.0 ---
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Ellis D. Tripp on Wednesday April 27 2016, @05:02PM
I get where you are coming from, with the LP currently being the largest 3rd party in the US. But the GP came awfully close to the 5% FEC threshold when Ralph Nader ran in 2000, in what was one of the most successful 3rd party runs in recent history. Given the size and strength of the Sanders campaign, if he were to hop over to the Greens, they should EASILY exceed the 5% threshold in the general election, qualifying for federal funding in future elections.
I suggested the GP to the original poster, because they stated that they were a Sanders supporter, and Sanders-style democratic socialism is a much better fit with the Greens than with the Libertarians. While the 2 are pretty compatible as far as most social and foreign policy issues, there remains a fundamental difference in outlook between the 2 in terms of economic inequality, environmental regulation, and the role of government in providing a safety net for the economically disadvantaged.
"Society is like stew. If you don't keep it stirred up, you end up with a lot of scum on the top!"--Edward Abbey
(Score: 2) by VLM on Wednesday April 27 2016, @06:41PM
The God Emperor has been pushing that the primaries are unfair and being stolen by the establishment in his speeches... That would resonate with Bernie and if he got a "very high position" in the God Emperor's cabinet (maybe veep, crazy as that might sound?) then he would win by a landslide.
The extremists freak about that proposal "they're class enemies" and all that rot. Well real politics is the art of the possible deal, and Trump needs to make a statement that he can make deals. Also lets be realistic about the religion thing, Trump isn't so hot with Bernie's demographic and that would help with press coverage. So imagine Bernie demands he set US/Israeli policy not Trump and maybe some other minor issue in addition, I donno education funding. Now does that get "the cause" further along than quitting and pouting? heck yeah, and he's a pro politician, he'd take that deal. Meanwhile Trump promotes himself as the deal maker. So he turns a blind eye to Isreal and throws more money down the rathole of higher education tuition, but in exchange he gets the college and jewish vote... he's a deal maker businessman, of course there is some deal he can work with. I can totally see it.
Hillary would get the BLM protestor vote and the feminist gray-purple haired cat lady vote and that's about it. Maybe the biggest defeat the D party has ever had? 60/40 popular vote for Trump? Dare I say 65/35?
(Score: 2, Insightful) by nitehawk214 on Wednesday April 27 2016, @07:12PM
Just saying "Trump should hire Sanders" isn't going to make it happen or make it even remotely possible.
I have a lot more respect for Sanders than to think that is even a possibility.
"Don't you ever miss the days when you used to be nostalgic?" -Loiosh
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 27 2016, @06:28PM
It looks like they are the ones who have handed her the nomination. Bernie seems the least objectionable of the entire slate of choices to me.
(Score: 2) by Ellis D. Tripp on Wednesday April 27 2016, @07:13PM
Being a white guy, I can only speculate here, but a large factor would seem to be the fact that, particularly in the deep south where Clinton built her lead in early primaries, the black democrats tend to be a lot less liberal on social issues and more religious than white democrats. Sanders did better with the black community (especially younger blacks) in other parts of the country. An apparent lack of early outreach to the black community by the Sanders campaign didn't help, either...
Still, the overwhelming support for a woman who referred to young urban blacks as "superpredators" who need to be "brought to heel" while stumping for her husband's crime bill boggles the mind...
"Society is like stew. If you don't keep it stirred up, you end up with a lot of scum on the top!"--Edward Abbey
(Score: 2) by Grishnakh on Wednesday April 27 2016, @09:50PM
This all sounds right on the money. Seriously, southern black voters would do better voting for Cruz, because he really represents their interests better, because they're so ultra-religious; the only reason they don't is because the Republican party has traditionally been the party of racists for quite a while now (esp. after all the racist Southern Democrats switched to the GOP). But the (esp. over-30) southern blacks are just as religious as the most wacky of religious white people, and they're definitely not interested in any kind of social liberalism like gay marriage.
This is going to be a very interesting election, if the DOJ doesn't indict Hillary and we wind up with Hillary vs. Trump, or even Hillary vs. Cruz. Unlike Obama in 2008 where he energized the youth vote and won largely because of that, Hillary is not going to get the youth vote at all, so we'll probably see a Republican president. When the Dems can't get the young people to show up at the polls, they lose. (And with Hillary as their candidate, they deserve to lose.)
(Score: 2) by Ellis D. Tripp on Wednesday April 27 2016, @10:52PM
An indictment coming down (or somebody in the FBI leaking damaging info from the investigation), is about the only way Bernie makes it into the general as a Democrat as far as I can see. Hoping to see Bernie and his supporters stir up a good shitstorm at the convention, anyway.
Now if the RNC somehow denies Trump their nomination, and Trump ends up running as an independent, It would be great to see Sanders and Stein team up and make it a 4 way race. With the craziness of this whole election, something like that seems downright possible.
"Society is like stew. If you don't keep it stirred up, you end up with a lot of scum on the top!"--Edward Abbey
(Score: 2) by Grishnakh on Thursday April 28 2016, @05:12PM
I'd love to see a 4-way race, but I think the problem there is that it's very unlikely that any one candidate would then win enough electoral votes to win the election, and then the House of Representatives would choose a President. At least, that's my understanding of our horribly broken process.
Trump recently remarked that Bernie should run as an independent because the DNC has treated him "horribly". Trump is right on the money on that, as usual. Despite my disagreement with his positions on many things and some of his outright wacky ideas (which are probably just bluster to gain favor with the conservative voters) plus his flip-flopping, he makes a lot of comments like that which are complete bulls-eyes. The other one recently was his commentary about the NC bathroom law.
What we really need before this place blows up is some kind of mini-"revolution" where the people force the States to hold a very fast Constitutional Convention to enact a new Amendment, one which eliminates the idiotic Electoral College and which instead implements a new, national election system for the Presidency which uses something like Approval voting or IRV or the Borla voting system, and which implements it NOW, so that we use it for the November election. What we have obviously is not working at all.