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posted by martyb on Saturday May 14 2016, @06:43PM   Printer-friendly
from the sudden-outbreak-of-common-sense dept.

Ars Technica has an article about Linksys committing to maintaining open source firmware usage for the WRT series of routers. This is a follow up to a previous story that ran when the original announcement regarding FCC (Federal Communications Commission) enforcement of 5.8 Ghz part 15 device requirements came out. At least there remains one well known product that decided to implement the requirement in a way that is consumer modification friendly. From the article:

Any 5GHz routers sold on or after June 2 must include security measures that prevent these types of changes. But router makers can still allow loading of open source firmware as long as they also deploy controls that prevent devices from operating outside their allowed frequencies, types of modulation, power levels, and so on.

This takes more work than simply locking out third-party firmware entirely, but Linksys, a division of Belkin, made the extra effort. On and after June 2, newly sold Linksys WRT routers will store RF parameter data in a separate memory location in order to secure it from the firmware, the company says. That will allow users to keep loading open source firmware the same way they do now.

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Though I disagree with this notion

Although Linksys has proven that open source firmware can still be used under the new FCC rules, it's clear that options for open source users will be more limited than they are today. Kaloz wishes the FCC had taken a different approach, one focused on punishing people who cause interference without preventing legitimate uses of network hardware.

Is the suggestion that the Doppler weather radar in use at airports is less important than getting cat pictures from the comfort of your couch and not having to run an extra Ethernet cable? Because Delta Flight 191 is why these airport Doppler weather radar systems exist at all. Do we punish before or after the crash? As well I don't think there is an appreciation for just how hard it is to find malfunctioning transmitters: it can be done but with significant amounts of work. The FCC is not funded for this level of enforcement right now. Everyone must share the very finite electromagnetic spectrum. I don't have a problem giving life and safety critical systems priority over cat videos.

As a quick experiment locate your WiFi router and check the verbiage. I'm sure everyone has seen the part 15 text but probably never paid attention to it. You will find This device may not cause harmful interference as well as this device must accept any interference received. That's because the weather radar, by design, gets to break you but you don't get to break it.


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  • (Score: 2) by RamiK on Saturday May 14 2016, @07:38PM

    by RamiK (1813) on Saturday May 14 2016, @07:38PM (#346145)

    Then Faraday cage the terminals and forbid boarding with any electronic devices. Even with all the budget in the world, the FCC has no jurisdiction outside the US so foreign bought devices could still operate outside the allocated bandwidth and interfere with safety equipment.

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  • (Score: 2) by JNCF on Saturday May 14 2016, @10:11PM

    by JNCF (4317) on Saturday May 14 2016, @10:11PM (#346183) Journal

    Hmm, I wonder how well sensitive electronics function on the inside of an ungrounded Faraday cage that has other electronic devices bombarding the outer surface. I believe that the inner and outer surfaces are supposed to easily affect each other if the cage isn't grounded, but I don't know the details. Somebody who has a better idea of how fucking magnets work should correct me if I'm wrong, or explain that what I'm talking about isn't going to be strong enough to mess anything up under normal airplane conditions.

    • (Score: 1) by Arik on Sunday May 15 2016, @12:36AM

      by Arik (4543) on Sunday May 15 2016, @12:36AM (#346217) Journal
      "I believe that the inner and outer surfaces are supposed to easily affect each other if the cage isn't grounded" [citation needed]
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    • (Score: 3, Informative) by RamiK on Sunday May 15 2016, @12:54AM

      by RamiK (1813) on Sunday May 15 2016, @12:54AM (#346223)

      The whole point is to isolate the internal electromagnetic field from external fields. Since the internal field of a conductor is zero, the exterior for a conductive sphere will take the point charge. That is, nothing will get through.
      Here: video.mit.edu/watch/faradays-cage-3625/

      As for the grounding, it's purely a safety and regulatory issue. The charges will still arrange on the external surface so the internal field will still be isolated.

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      • (Score: 2) by JNCF on Sunday May 15 2016, @06:24PM

        by JNCF (4317) on Sunday May 15 2016, @06:24PM (#346492) Journal

        The whole point is to isolate the internal electromagnetic field from external fields. Since the internal field of a conductor is zero, the exterior for a conductive sphere will take the point charge. That is, nothing will get through.

        This is hyperbole, as I'm sure you're aware. Compasses work inside of faraday cages. A strong enough field will get through.

        As for the grounding, it's purely a safety and regulatory issue. The charges will still arrange on the external surface so the internal field will still be isolated.

        But the charge will stay on the outside surface of the ungrounded cage. If it were grounded, the charge would quickly disperse into the ground. My understanding - rightly or wrongly - is that the electromagnetism on the outside surface affects the electromagnetism on the inside surface, and viceversa. This basically doesn't happen with a grounded cage because the electrons don't stay long enough to matter. I'm totally open to being wrong, but I'm not convinced that I am from the video you linked. In the video, there is no significant charge on the inside surface of the ungrounded faraday cage. To show the interaction I'm talking about, you would need a significant source of electromagnetism inside of the cage as well. I'm not at all surprised that the foil on Benjamin Franklin wasn't visibly disturbed.

        • (Score: 2) by RamiK on Monday May 16 2016, @07:38AM

          by RamiK (1813) on Monday May 16 2016, @07:38AM (#346738)

          hyperbole, as I'm sure you're aware.

          Without going into the static vs. dynamic models, I can generalize and say it's a force so a huge field like the earth's will need a huge power source to cancel out completely in low frequencies. Regardless, here's a static analysis: https://people.maths.ox.ac.uk/trefethen/chapman_hewett_trefethen.pdf [ox.ac.uk]

          the charge would quickly disperse into the ground.

          When saying grounding, we're talking about standard PEN earthing systems... Not a physical pole stuck in the ground. There's a regulatory 5-20Ohm between the ground electrode and the power source. But it's a complicated subject so instead, lets simplify our model and say we're not grounding the power source by using coils (like an arc welder). That will mean the circuit never closes through the ground if touching the cage. It's not actually how emp shielding is done in practice but it's the most I'm willing to cover in a single paragraph. You can look up the real circuitry here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earthing_system [wikipedia.org] .

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      • (Score: 2) by JNCF on Sunday May 15 2016, @06:44PM

        by JNCF (4317) on Sunday May 15 2016, @06:44PM (#346496) Journal

        Here's an interesting on-topic excerpt from the Feynman Lectures, via user atyy on an also on-topic physicsforums.com discussion [physicsforums.com]:

        http://www.feynmanlectures.info/flp_errata.html "Volume II, page 5-9 now says
        “…no static distribution of charges inside a closed grounded conductor can produce any [electric] fields outside” (the word grounded was omitted in previous editions). This second error was pointed out to Feynman by a number of readers, including Beulah Elizabeth Cox, a student at The College of William and Mary, who had relied on Feynman’s erroneous passage in an exam. To Ms. Cox, Feynman wrote in 1975,[1] “Your instructor was right not to give you any points, for your answer was wrong, as he demonstrated using Gauss’s law. You should, in science, believe logic and arguments, carefully drawn, and not authorities. You also read the book correctly and understood it. I made a mistake, so the book is wrong. I probably was thinking of a grounded conducting sphere, or else of the fact that moving the charges around in different places inside does not affect things on the outside. I am not sure how I did it, but I goofed. And you goofed, too, for believing me.”"